poo question please help!

[Guest guest]

My son was 4 years and 6 months before I felt that he was potty trained

enough to consider him " potty trained " . But that was only for number 1. His

almost 6 and is still not really potty trained for number 2. We have gotten

a good

routine down that he goes in the morning before school and that has seemed to

keep the accidents down to a minimum. But the problem is that if I don't

tell him to go he will not do it himself usually. If he does go on his own

it is

only after he has already begun to go in his pants.

I thought I knew why he would not go in school, it is because he does not

like the sound of the flushing toilet. He says it is too loud. I am sure

that

he is not flushing even when he goes pee because he has stopped flushing at

home.

I am worried. He tries not to go. He tries to hold it in and just not go.

I always know when he is trying not to go because he will sit on his feet to

try to keep it in. I am worried that he is ruining his muscles back there

and

eventually will not be able to control it at all. And I am worried that this

could lead to more serious problems with his colon or something also.

His poo has never been firm. He is on Houston enzymes.

Do any of you have children with this problem or had this problem?

I am getting really worried and any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

This may be a really silly thing but if he won't go at school because of the

flushing noise will he use ear-muffs? I seriously almost got them for my son

for that exact reason. He will go in restrooms out in public if I either hold

my hands over his ears or he holds his hands over his ears and I have to assist

in other ways. Crazy but that was the only way he would go in public. If we

are out in public and you ask him if he needs to go potty he will immediately

put his hands over his ears.

He also didn't potty train with #2 until his stools got firmer. We did the

gfcf diet for a very long time but got much better stools with enzymes, no dairy

and adding back wheat to his diet. Even with enzymes there maybe something he

is getting that he shouldn't?

Chelation has also been helpful I think. He isn't as sensitive to noise like

he used to be. I can actually get him to use the potty at church without hands

over the ears and occasionally other places. Sitting in church he is more able

to not do this as well. We went to a loud church way over a year ago and still

he puts his hands over his ears at our never very loud church. I have started

keeping him really close to me for comfort and holding his hands down.

Sometimes he gets pretty nervous but it is getting much better.

My kiddo can hold it in as well. Personally I have no idea how they do it but

when we went to Nashville not that long ago we left on a Tuesday night and he

didn't go #2 until Sunday night. He was in tears asking to go home, he knew he

really had to go and was evidently waiting to get home. I was almost in tears

as well, I pack everything back in the car to actually take him home. He

eventually did go that night but I had to make him sit on the toilet for at

least 30 minutes and would come in and rub his belly and lower back to try and

help him relax.

It seems with some kids getting them to have firmer stools is what is needed.

This can be an amazingly fustrating feat though. I am about to take apart my

daughter's diet to see why her stools aren't getting firmer. I read about

Josie's little boy and am so jealous I am wondering about probiotics and

some unfound food intolerance. I know she has them to dairy and oatmeal.

HTH, sorry I can't offer more.

renee030670@... wrote:

My son was 4 years and 6 months before I felt that he was potty trained

enough to consider him " potty trained " . But that was only for number 1. His

almost 6 and is still not really potty trained for number 2. We have gotten

a good

routine down that he goes in the morning before school and that has seemed to

keep the accidents down to a minimum. But the problem is that if I don't

tell him to go he will not do it himself usually. If he does go on his own

it is

only after he has already begun to go in his pants.

I thought I knew why he would not go in school, it is because he does not

like the sound of the flushing toilet. He says it is too loud. I am sure

that

he is not flushing even when he goes pee because he has stopped flushing at

home.

I am worried. He tries not to go. He tries to hold it in and just not go.

I always know when he is trying not to go because he will sit on his feet to

try to keep it in. I am worried that he is ruining his muscles back there

and

eventually will not be able to control it at all. And I am worried that this

could lead to more serious problems with his colon or something also.

His poo has never been firm. He is on Houston enzymes.

Do any of you have children with this problem or had this problem?

I am getting really worried and any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

,

My son had the exact same experience. He never went unless we told

him to, it was like he never felt it coming. He, too, only went when

it was already too late. His poop never seemed to reach

the stage where it finally became solid. I kept asking the Dr. and it

was years before we finally got a referral to a pediatric

gastroenterologist. It turns out he had encopresis - a huge mass of

poop for who knows how many YEARS? -- and the stools behind the mass

leaked around it before solidifying. He, too, sat on the back of his

foot to hold it in. He sat on the potty for up to an hour, nothing

would happen, then go out and play and come back minutes later with a

mess. It smelled funny, too.

The doctor put him on Krystallose powder, one to two packets a day,

and

it's been years now. He still has flareups. Lately we've been more

vigilant about drinking the 8 glasses of water, taking magnesium and

flaxseed oil daily, probiotics (we're very excited about starting CFS

Feed 'n Seed - read 's probiotic short course and prebiotics at

www.enzymestuff.com)and using enzymes with meals. Now at age 10, he

still requires enemas at least monthly. We believe he's lost some of

the sensation down there; this is something that can be restored with

therapy though.

Check Dana's site, she has a great page on ideas for constipation -

http://www.danasview.net/constip.htm - I followed a bunch of links

there and got a great education!

Good luck to you -