Fwd: Re: [K4P] Re:Mandatory Vaccines

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goldi316 <goldi316@...> wrote:

fomalhaut2003 wrote:

> Yet another person who doesn't know enough about statistics to be

> careful of comparing data from small populations to data from larger

> populations.

>

> Interesting that so many of the back to nature types defend the folk

> remedy mercurochrome and recommend ingesting the heavy metal silver

> as an immune booster, yet bitch about thimerosal. Thimerosal IS

> mercurochrome! I don't think we should be using either, but this has

> nothing to do with the issue of vaccination per se, only how

> vaccines are preserved. Single dose vials are more expensive than

> multidose vials, and thus not as profitable. That was the only

> reason why thimerosal was used as an antibacterial agent in the first

> place.

and in a previous message, you said:

> Irrational nonsense. The following site maynot be helpful for the

> scientifically illiterate, but others should find it useful.

>

> http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/immu/immu00.html

I guess you're the expert, then. We stand corrected!

Since when is over-generalizing " scientific " ? And you display some ignorance in

throwing out the quackwatch website as an authoritative source - it is a known

front for the pharma industry trying to protect their massive profits, run by a

real loser. Have a look-see for yourself!

* Quackwatch Founder Barrett Loses Major Defamation Case in his own

Hometown* October 13, 2005

Quote:

" Barrett [my comment: owner of quackwatch] is a shill for the medical and

pharmaceutical cartels and his bully tactics and unjustified discrediting of

leading innovators, scientists and health practitioners should not be

tolerated. "

http://www.chiro.org/LINKS/FULL/Quackwatch_Founder_Loses_Defamation_Case.shtml

Another one:

* Quackwatch... BUSTED! * April 23, 2003

The Court also declared that top quackbusters Barrett (quackwatch.com),

and Wallace Sampson MD (Scientific Review of Alternative and Aberrant Medicine)

" were found to be biased and unworthy of credibility. "

http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat= & Board=UBB1 & Number=435 & page=0 & \

view=collapsed & sb=5 & o= & fpart=1

There's more - lots more! But I'll let you do your own search for it, leaving

you with just one more. You can educate yourself about your supposed " expert "

here: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/index.html

In fact, I'll even go one better, and forward one of the articles from that

website, which will explain EXACTLY what " Quackwatch " is all about. It will

follow this message.

Or, you can ignore it, go ahead and roll up that sleeve and take your shot like

a good little sheepie, if that will make YOU feel better (you hope), all the

while continuing to believe that millions of people have been deluded by all

those alternative medicines and have remained healthy. I can guarantee you, you

will have NO luck trying to convince those who use these treatments that they

don't work - because they have. Whatever the quack may say!

The only time I ever got seriously ill from flu was the ONE time I (stupidly)

decided to get a flu shot. Never again!

goldi

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DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

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goldi316 <goldi316@...> wrote:fomalhaut2003 wrote:> Yet another person who doesn't know enough about statistics to be > careful of comparing data from small populations to data from larger> populations.> > Interesting that so many of the back to nature types defend the folk> remedy mercurochrome and recommend ingesting the heavy metal silver> as an immune booster, yet bitch about thimerosal. Thimerosal IS > mercurochrome! I don't think we should be using either, but this has> nothing to do with the issue of vaccination per se, only how > vaccines are preserved. Single dose vials are more expensive than > multidose vials, and thus not as profitable. That was the only > reason why thimerosal was used as an antibacterial agent in the first> place.and in a previous

message, you said:> Irrational nonsense. The following site maynot be helpful for the > scientifically illiterate, but others should find it useful.> > http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/immu/immu00.htmlI guess you're the expert, then. We stand corrected!Since when is over-generalizing "scientific"? And you display some ignorance in throwing out the quackwatch website as an authoritative source - it is a known front for the pharma industry trying to protect their massive profits, run by a real loser. Have a look-see for yourself!* Quackwatch Founder Barrett Loses Major Defamation Case in his own Hometown* October 13, 2005Quote:"Barrett [my comment: owner of quackwatch] is a shill for the medical and pharmaceutical cartels and his bully

tactics and unjustified discrediting of leading innovators, scientists and health practitioners should not be tolerated." http://www.chiro.org/LINKS/FULL/Quackwatch_Founder_Loses_Defamation_Case.shtmlAnother one:* Quackwatch... BUSTED! * April 23, 2003The Court also declared that top quackbusters Barrett (quackwatch.com), and Wallace Sampson MD (Scientific Review of Alternative and Aberrant Medicine) "were found to be biased and unworthy of credibility."http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat= & Board=UBB1 & Number=435 & page=0 & view=collapsed & sb=5 & o= & fpart=1There's more - lots

more! But I'll let you do your own search for it, leaving you with just one more. You can educate yourself about your supposed "expert" here: http://www.quackpotwatch.org/index.htmlIn fact, I'll even go one better, and forward one of the articles from that website, which will explain EXACTLY what "Quackwatch" is all about. It will follow this message.Or, you can ignore it, go ahead and roll up that sleeve and take your shot like a good little sheepie, if that will make YOU feel better (you hope), all the while continuing to believe that millions of people have been deluded by all those alternative medicines and have remained healthy. I can guarantee you, you will have NO luck trying to convince those who use these treatments that they don't work - because they have. Whatever the quack may say!The only time I ever got seriously ill from flu was the ONE

time I (stupidly) decided to get a flu shot. Never again!goldi

DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less

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I guess, much more people would get a flu-shot if they

could get it in the pharmacy or supermarket or by post and apply it by themselves.

The doctor's waiting room is a source of infection

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In einer eMail vom 02.01.2006 08:57:39 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt rboylern@...:

>In many places in the US the vaccine is administered in pharmacies and >supermarkets. It is not available for self administration because it does not come in >individual doses and people could administer it incorrectly. I got mine at my doctor's >office. Didn't get sick.

I assume the dose depends on your weight.

did you administer it by yourself ? Is it difficult to learn ?

I really don't like running to a doctor (for whatever reason)

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By all means abuse yourself by not getting vaccinated, but do not abuse

your kids by failing to vaccinate them. Christian Scientist parents

who fail seek modern medical attention for their kids are routinely

prosecuted for murder when their kids die.

> goldi316 <goldi316@a...> wrote:

> fomalhaut2003 wrote:

> The only time I ever got seriously ill from flu was the ONE time I

(stupidly) decided to get a flu shot. Never again!

>

> goldi

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Consider this: A person could already be infected with the flu virus and not be showing any symptoms. In the meantime, he/she gets a flu shot. This shot will not kill any flu the person might already have. A few days later the person shows signs of flu. This is not at all unusual. Yes, some people do get sick from the flu shot, but usually it's not anything like full-blown flu. I've had some mild reactions myself a couple of time, but I would never not have my annual flu shot. I'm 65 with some serious heart problems so it's pretty important that I don't get the flu. Lee <jackalope_lepus@...> wrote: By all means abuse yourself by not getting vaccinated, but do not abuse your kids by failing to vaccinate them. Christian Scientist parents who fail seek modern medical

attention for their kids are routinely prosecuted for murder when their kids die.> goldi316 <goldi316@a...> wrote:> fomalhaut2003 wrote:> The only time I ever got seriously ill from flu was the ONE time I (stupidly) decided to get a flu shot. Never again!> > goldi . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't

mind--Dr.Seuss

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In many places in the US the vaccine is administered in pharmacies and supermarkets. It is not available for self administration because it does not come in individual doses and people could administer it incorrectly. I got mine at my doctor's office. Didn't get sick.sterten@... wrote: I guess, much more people would get a flu-shot if they could get it in the pharmacy or supermarket or by post and apply it by themselves. The doctor's waiting room is a source of infection . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind--Dr.Seuss

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thanks for the info !

Searching for anaphylaxis , I found:

_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abs

tract & list_uids=16333007 & query_hl=4 & itool=pubmed_docsum_

(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstr\

act & list_uids=16333

007 & query_hl=4 & itool=pubmed_docsum)

this intranasal vaccine, is it available for self-application ?

seems that 7 from 100000 (or 7 from 2500000, that's not clear to me) got

anaphylaxis.

I'm willing to take that risk. It seems smaller than the probability to be

infected

with flu or other desease at the doctor's and to die from that.

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There are standard doses: Adults, children over 9 years old 0,25ml - 0,5 ml: one dose only Children ..3-8 yrs old: 0,5ml to be repeated in 4 weeks unless child has been previously vaccinated ..6-36 months old: 0,25ml to be repeated in 4 weels unless child has been previously vaccinated. It is not difficult to learn how to give injections, but the actual technique can be a little tricky for someone who's never done it before. The vaccine is not available, at least not in the US, to individuals. One of the most important reasons for having a professional (doctor or nurse) administer the dose is that some people can have a life threatening reaction to the vaccine (anaphylaxis) and physicians and nurse know exactly what to do in such an emergency. Indeed,

every doctor's office has the appropriate anti-anaphylaxis kit at hand; and community-based nurses carry such a kit in their bag of "nurse stuff". An anaphylactic reaction to flu vaccine is usually because the vaccine uses chicken eggs in the manufacturing process. If not dealt with promptly anaphylaxis can lead to death. I don't much like going to the doctor either, even though my medical situation dictates periodic visits. Mercifully, I like my doctors a lot and I am mostly under the care of specialists now so I don't see lots of sick people sitting around waiting to be seen by the doctor. sterten@... wrote: In einer eMail vom 02.01.2006 08:57:39

Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt rboylern@...: >In many places in the US the vaccine is administered in pharmacies and >supermarkets. It is not available for self administration because it does not come in >individual doses and people could administer it incorrectly. I got mine at my doctor's >office. Didn't get sick. I assume the dose depends on your weight. did you administer it by yourself ? Is it difficult to learn ? I really don't like running to

a doctor (for whatever reason) . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't

mind--Dr.Seuss

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FluMist is not available for self-use because it too carries the risk of anaphylaxis. Also to be considered is the fact that it contains live virus. Since this is so, it has to be administered under very carefully controlled circumstances. Also it has far more unwanted side-effects than the flu shot ... and you can actually get the flu from it. You can't get the flu from the flu shot because there is no live virus in the injectible form.sterten@... wrote: thanks for the info !Searching for anaphylaxis , I found:_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16333007 & query_hl=4 & itool=pubmed_docsum_ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=16333007 & query_hl=4 & itool=pubmed_docsum) this intranasal vaccine, is it available for self-application ?seems that 7 from 100000 (or 7 from 2500000, that's not clear to me) got anaphylaxis.I'm willing to take that risk. It seems smaller than the probability to be infectedwith flu or other desease at the doctor's and to die from that. . Never place a period where God has placed a comma. - Gracie . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind--Dr.Seuss