Re: Why a hair test? Isn't Hg toxicity a foregone conclusion?

[Guest guest]

Tricia,

I would vote with your subtle self FOR the hair test. To me, it is a

relatively inexpensive boiler plate for what is ongoing. If I could

only afford 1 test, this would be my choice. Do you have access to

Cutler's books?

Sometimes the docs get too hung up on their bloods and urines. One

watched for months as our little grandson's blood lead level went

from a very high to 'managable' with NO interventions. A hair test

down the pike[when blood had normalized] showed very high lead

levels and met the counting rules for mercury toxicity. Yes, he was

very symptomatic! My daughter was finally willing to chelate-without

any doc support, of course. He's fully recovered symptomatically. A

recent hair test look quite 'normal.'

One of my other daughters has never shown a red cell toxicity but

has counted toxic on hair test for 4 years. She, too, was/remains

very symptomatic. B.

>

> I need some help sorting out the purpose of getting a hair

elements test.

> Long-story-short, our DAN! doesn't believe it is an accurate view

of metal

> toxicity. Without getting into the philosophical debate about

that (b/c I

> don't necessarily agree with him), I realize that mineral

transport problems

> help us see if we do or don't have a problem with mercury

toxicity. That

> makes sense to me. What I am hung up on is this - isn't it a

forgone

> conclusion that my son (dx'd with aspergers, resolved apraxia, and

the

> gamut) has mercury poisoning? Is there a reason that, after

getting a dose

> of mercury in utero (rhogam shot) and then as an infant in all

those

> " necessary " vaccinations - not to mention all those shiny teeth

mom has in

> her mouth - that my son *wouldn't* have Hg poisoning of some

sort? Why

> would his body get rid of mercury and not lead? (We did a

challenge test

> and a significant amount of lead was released - I know, I

know.challenge

> tests are controversial. I didn't realize that at the time.)

Plus, even if

> my son *doesn't* have Hg poisoning for some odd reason, we would

still

> chelate to get out the lead, arsenic and other stuff that he has

tested high

> in (packed red blood cell test results, etc). Is it that the hair

test

> would guide us in which chelator we would use or the dose to start

with? I

> hope you guys understand my question. Please know that I am not

trying to

> argue. I am merely trying to figure this all out. I was about to

order the

> hair elements test from Direct Labs today (b/c my DAN! denied my

request for

> the test) and found myself left with these lingering questions.

>

>

>

> Thanks for your patience.

>

>

>

> Tricia Morin

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is possible analogy. With my brother who is diabetic they have a

particular blood test they do every so often that lets him know overall how well

he is doing in controlling his blood sugar. It doesn't say what his level was

yesterday or a week ago, just an overall look at what is going on. The detox

process likely varies day to day especially changing with any illness. When you

test by any other means you only have measured what is going on in the moment.

What I like about hair tests is that is what seems to be gathered by doing

them, overall what is happening in their body. Hair testing is done with other

things including drug testing. I went to culinary school and I had a guy in my

class who shaved his head because he was applying to a restaurant that did drug

testing that way. It shows what has been taken over time and not just in the

days leading up to the application. More info that you likely wanted, sorry!

If you are interested at all in it I would say do it, there is no harm done

and no pain inflicted like with a needle stick. I am with you on the Hg

poisoning. We did the challenge before knowing... and it showed really nothing

spectacular. I was crushed. I just knew he was poisoned. I have fillings, got

Rhogam, extra vaccines, he got shots...the whole picture pointed that way except

this test. His hair test did show toxicity though, borderline but it was still

there. We started the oral DMSA and ALA and good things are happening. In fact

I was just thinking today about where we have come this last year with him. I

remember a friend of playing with him a year ago and commenting on how he said

'this is fun' and we were shocked to hear that many words and the fact that he

was spontaneously saying anything really was cool. This morning his teacher and

I were talking about how he is talking all the time now. He isn't age

appropriate but is asking questions, answering

questions, and engaging in spontaneous speech. This wasn't happening before

and the only other big thing we did this year was enzymes.

What I am very curious to see is where my mostly NT son is with hair testing.

He is also a Rhogam baby...same issues with me but not vaccinated. I was just

about to order his test and went out of town. Darned if my husband didn't take

them both for hair cuts the day after I left...got to love that. Kiddo has very

little hair so we have to wait a little while longer as he looks really funny

with no hair.

HTH!

mbrookh <mbrookh@...> wrote:

Tricia,

I would vote with your subtle self FOR the hair test. To me, it is a

relatively inexpensive boiler plate for what is ongoing. If I could

only afford 1 test, this would be my choice. Do you have access to

Cutler's books?

Sometimes the docs get too hung up on their bloods and urines. One

watched for months as our little grandson's blood lead level went

from a very high to 'managable' with NO interventions. A hair test

down the pike[when blood had normalized] showed very high lead

levels and met the counting rules for mercury toxicity. Yes, he was

very symptomatic! My daughter was finally willing to chelate-without

any doc support, of course. He's fully recovered symptomatically. A

recent hair test look quite 'normal.'

One of my other daughters has never shown a red cell toxicity but

has counted toxic on hair test for 4 years. She, too, was/remains

very symptomatic. B.

>

> I need some help sorting out the purpose of getting a hair

elements test.

> Long-story-short, our DAN! doesn't believe it is an accurate view

of metal

> toxicity. Without getting into the philosophical debate about

that (b/c I

> don't necessarily agree with him), I realize that mineral

transport problems

> help us see if we do or don't have a problem with mercury

toxicity. That

> makes sense to me. What I am hung up on is this - isn't it a

forgone

> conclusion that my son (dx'd with aspergers, resolved apraxia, and

the

> gamut) has mercury poisoning? Is there a reason that, after

getting a dose

> of mercury in utero (rhogam shot) and then as an infant in all

those

> " necessary " vaccinations - not to mention all those shiny teeth

mom has in

> her mouth - that my son *wouldn't* have Hg poisoning of some

sort? Why

> would his body get rid of mercury and not lead? (We did a

challenge test

> and a significant amount of lead was released - I know, I

know.challenge

> tests are controversial. I didn't realize that at the time.)

Plus, even if

> my son *doesn't* have Hg poisoning for some odd reason, we would

still

> chelate to get out the lead, arsenic and other stuff that he has

tested high

> in (packed red blood cell test results, etc). Is it that the hair

test

> would guide us in which chelator we would use or the dose to start

with? I

> hope you guys understand my question. Please know that I am not

trying to

> argue. I am merely trying to figure this all out. I was about to

order the

> hair elements test from Direct Labs today (b/c my DAN! denied my

request for

> the test) and found myself left with these lingering questions.

>

>

>

> Thanks for your patience.

>

>

>

> Tricia Morin

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Same with my son. I assumed mercury was the issue. My son actually doesn't

meet the counting rules, meaning mercury possibly isn't his underlying issue,

but has very high levels of other toxic metals.

Debbie

In a message dated 1/5/2006 7:31:17 AM Central Standard Time,

_Shepard@... writes:

> Your DAN! probably doesn't know about or understand the counting rules.

> Mercury's not a forgone conculsion. Arsenic, antimony, lead and other toxins

> can cause autistic symptoms. Knowing what all the individual is dealing with

> helps one search out a remove sources of exposure and decide on the best

> chelator(s). If I hadn't had hair testing I assumed/knew about my mercury

issues

> but would not have figured out I also had off-the-charts high arsenic.

> S S

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your DAN! probably doesn't know about or understand the counting rules.

Mercury's not a forgone conculsion. Arsenic, antimony, lead and other toxins

can cause autistic symptoms. Knowing what all the individual is dealing with

helps one search out a remove sources of exposure and decide on the best

chelator(s). If I hadn't had hair testing I assumed/knew about my mercury

issues but would not have figured out I also had off-the-charts high arsenic.

S S

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I need some help sorting out the purpose of getting a hair elements test.<BR>

Long-story-short, our DAN! doesn't believe it is an accurate view of metal<BR>

toxicity.  Without getting into the philosophical debate about that (b/c I<BR>

don't necessarily agree with him), I realize that mineral transport problems<BR>

help us see if we do or don't have a problem with mercury toxicity.  That<BR>

makes sense to me.  What I am hung up on is this - isn't it a forgone<BR>

conclusion that my son (dx'd with aspergers, resolved apraxia, and the<BR>

gamut) has mercury poisoning?  Is there a reason that, after getting a dose<BR>

of mercury in utero (rhogam shot) and then as an infant  in all those<BR>

" necessary " vaccinations - not to mention all those shiny teeth mom has in<BR>

her mouth - that my son *wouldn't* have Hg poisoning of some sort?  Why<BR>

would his body get rid of mercury and not lead?  (We did a challenge test<BR>

and a significant amount of lead was released - I know, I know.challenge<BR>

tests are controversial. I didn't realize that at the time.)  Plus, even if<BR>

my son *doesn't* have Hg poisoning for some odd reason, we would still<BR>

chelate to get out the lead, arsenic and other stuff that he has tested high<BR>

in (packed red blood cell test results, etc).  Is it that the hair test<BR>

would guide us in which chelator we would use or the dose to start with?  I<BR>

hope you guys understand my question. Please know that I am not trying to<BR>

argue. I am merely trying to figure this all out.  I was about to order the<BR>

hair elements test from Direct Labs today (b/c my DAN! denied my request for<BR>

the test) and found myself left with these lingering questions.<BR>

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Thanks for your patience.<BR>

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Tricia Morin<BR>

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