Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 My son is 5.5. His testosterone and DHEA were high, his LH and FSH low. He also has some pubic hair, minimal acne, and his hair on his head thinning for the last year (the hair is what prompted our DAN to test his hormones) He also began getting very " adolescent " in attitude. He acted like I do when I'm PMSIng- mood swings, raging, etc. This was a previously VERY mellow child, no tantrums ever. Re: the safety of Lupron-- this is something I've really struggled with, too. However, all the adverse effects I've read about have been with adults-- women with endometriosis or men with prostate cancer. In these cases you are taking the hormones from a normal level down to an abnormally low level for therapeutic reasons. My son is being taken down from an abnormally hihg level to a normal level, if that makes sense. And this is our first time chelating. He did appear to be a non-excretor (very low metals on hair, urine). I never did a challenge test. So far, so good. Only 10 days in and his PMS episodes are way down. He also has a nasty cough/viral thing goin on so that sets him way back by itself. Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I have a lot of negative things to say about the indiscriminate use of Lupron, but let me say that Lupron sounds like a wonderfully appropriate thing to use for this child! BTW, the antifungal drug sporanox (ketoconazole) can also block some steroid synthesis and reduce things like testosterone and DHEA, and anything like plant sterinols or in extreme circumstances ONLY statin drugs (given with coenzyme q-10, this is essential) that reduces cholesterol will also reduce hormone levels as the hormones are made from cholesterol. Andy > My son is 5.5. His testosterone and DHEA were high, his LH and FSH low. He also has some pubic hair, minimal acne, and his hair on his head thinning for the last year (the hair is what prompted our DAN to test his hormones) > > He also began getting very " adolescent " in attitude. He acted like I do when I'm PMSIng- mood swings, raging, etc. > This was a previously VERY mellow child, no tantrums ever. > > Re: the safety of Lupron-- this is something I've really struggled with, too. However, all the adverse effects I've read about have been with adults-- women with endometriosis or men with prostate cancer. That is because it was almost never used on children before now, so there were few adverse reactions to report. Also note that it is used on children who don't use the internet and most reports you find are from adults who are reporting their own problems on the web. > In these cases you are taking the hormones from a normal level down to an abnormally low level for therapeutic reasons. My son is being taken down from an abnormally hihg level to a normal level, if that makes sense. > > And this is our first time chelating. He did appear to be a non-excretor (very low metals on hair, urine). I never did a challenge test. > > So far, so good. Only 10 days in and his PMS episodes are way down. He also has a nasty cough/viral thing goin on so that sets him way back by itself. > > Becky > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 That's interesting because when I looked into " plant sterinols " I found a product that is supposedly helpful for " rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, MS, Parkinson's, crohns, celiac, psoriasis, diabetes (types I and II), asthma, eczema, chronic bacterial and viral infections " . (autoimmune disorders). http://tinyurl.com/gokzm I can't find too many other references to " plant sterinols " but I find lots of references to " plant sterols " seeming being used to raise testosterone. Mark > > I have a lot of negative things to say about the indiscriminate use of > Lupron, but let me say that Lupron sounds like a wonderfully > appropriate thing to use for this child! > > BTW, the antifungal drug sporanox (ketoconazole) can also block some > steroid synthesis and reduce things like testosterone and DHEA, and > anything like plant sterinols or in extreme circumstances ONLY statin > drugs (given with coenzyme q-10, this is essential) that reduces > cholesterol will also reduce hormone levels as the hormones are made > from cholesterol. > > Andy > > > > My son is 5.5. His testosterone and DHEA were high, his LH > and FSH low. He also has some pubic hair, minimal acne, and his hair > on his head thinning for the last year (the hair is what prompted our > DAN to test his hormones) > > > > He also began getting very " adolescent " in attitude. He acted > like I do when I'm PMSIng- mood swings, raging, etc. > > This was a previously VERY mellow child, no tantrums ever. > > > > Re: the safety of Lupron-- this is something I've really struggled > with, too. However, all the adverse effects I've read about have been > with adults-- women with endometriosis or men with prostate cancer. > > That is because it was almost never used on children before now, so > there were few adverse reactions to report. Also note that it is used > on children who don't use the internet and most reports you find are > from adults who are reporting their own problems on the web. > > > In these cases you are taking the hormones from a normal level down > to an abnormally low level for therapeutic reasons. My son is being > taken down from an abnormally hihg level to a normal level, if that > makes sense. > > > > And this is our first time chelating. He did appear to be a > non-excretor (very low metals on hair, urine). I never did a challenge > test. > > > > So far, so good. Only 10 days in and his PMS episodes are way > down. He also has a nasty cough/viral thing goin on so that sets him > way back by itself. > > > > Becky > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Hi Mark, I've been researching Lupron as well. I need to correct one statement you made below: " all the adverse effects I've read about have been with adults-- women with endometriosis or men with prostate cancer. That is because it was almost never used on children before now, " Lupron-Depot PED has been used on children since 1993. I don't know how many children actually used it. I also can not find any known adverse reactions to this besides swelling. However, the FDA is going to mail me consumer complaints of this product. I will put up an email here after i get that information -- It will take several weeks! Thanks. redrackem <redrackem@...> wrote: That's interesting because when I looked into " plant sterinols " I found a product that is supposedly helpful for " rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, MS, Parkinson's, crohns, celiac, psoriasis, diabetes (types I and II), asthma, eczema, chronic bacterial and viral infections " . (autoimmune disorders). http://tinyurl.com/gokzm I can't find too many other references to " plant sterinols " but I find lots of references to " plant sterols " seeming being used to raise testosterone. Mark > > I have a lot of negative things to say about the indiscriminate use of > Lupron, but let me say that Lupron sounds like a wonderfully > appropriate thing to use for this child! > > BTW, the antifungal drug sporanox (ketoconazole) can also block some > steroid synthesis and reduce things like testosterone and DHEA, and > anything like plant sterinols or in extreme circumstances ONLY statin > drugs (given with coenzyme q-10, this is essential) that reduces > cholesterol will also reduce hormone levels as the hormones are made > from cholesterol. > > Andy > > > > My son is 5.5. His testosterone and DHEA were high, his LH > and FSH low. He also has some pubic hair, minimal acne, and his hair > on his head thinning for the last year (the hair is what prompted our > DAN to test his hormones) > > > > He also began getting very " adolescent " in attitude. He acted > like I do when I'm PMSIng- mood swings, raging, etc. > > This was a previously VERY mellow child, no tantrums ever. > > > > Re: the safety of Lupron-- this is something I've really struggled > with, too. However, all the adverse effects I've read about have been > with adults-- women with endometriosis or men with prostate cancer. > > That is because it was almost never used on children before now, so > there were few adverse reactions to report. Also note that it is used > on children who don't use the internet and most reports you find are > from adults who are reporting their own problems on the web. > > > In these cases you are taking the hormones from a normal level down > to an abnormally low level for therapeutic reasons. My son is being > taken down from an abnormally hihg level to a normal level, if that > makes sense. > > > > And this is our first time chelating. He did appear to be a > non-excretor (very low metals on hair, urine). I never did a challenge > test. > > > > So far, so good. Only 10 days in and his PMS episodes are way > down. He also has a nasty cough/viral thing goin on so that sets him > way back by itself. > > > > Becky > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Hello Becky, You wrote, " My son is being taken down from an abnormally hihg level to a normal level " . If you are using the Geier protocal then your son's testosterone is being taken from a high testosterone level to a zero testosterone level. That is my understanding of the Geier protocal. The only reason I mention it is that -- if your child is still generating testosterone, this will negatively impact chelation. Regards, Norvell <beckeric@...> wrote: My son is 5.5. His testosterone and DHEA were high, his LH and FSH low. He also has some pubic hair, minimal acne, and his hair on his head thinning for the last year (the hair is what prompted our DAN to test his hormones) He also began getting very " adolescent " in attitude. He acted like I do when I'm PMSIng- mood swings, raging, etc. This was a previously VERY mellow child, no tantrums ever. Re: the safety of Lupron-- this is something I've really struggled with, too. However, all the adverse effects I've read about have been with adults-- women with endometriosis or men with prostate cancer. In these cases you are taking the hormones from a normal level down to an abnormally low level for therapeutic reasons. My son is being taken down from an abnormally hihg level to a normal level, if that makes sense. And this is our first time chelating. He did appear to be a non-excretor (very low metals on hair, urine). I never did a challenge test. So far, so good. Only 10 days in and his PMS episodes are way down. He also has a nasty cough/viral thing goin on so that sets him way back by itself. Becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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