Re: 4 yr old waking every night

March 23, 2006

Gosh, I wish I knew what causes the wakings. Same problem here with a 4yo

waking sometimes 3-4 times a night, sometimes not at all, sometimes every night

of the week, and sometimes just once a week.

We have been doing melatonin at bedtime, 2mg, which seems to make his sleep

deeper? but does not always sleep good from it...I don't know. I think sleep

tends to get worse when your child is either sick, getting over something, in

our case, right after chelation (on the wrong schedule), now these days I think

he has been waking b/c of yeast (started yeast aid, stopped glutathione). Some

nights he wakes and wants his bedtime music on and goes right back to sleep.

Sometimes he wants the lights on, sometimes he does not want it on, and then

other times he is demanding his coins and marbles to hold and goes back to

sleep. With me. I have been sleeping with him since he was born. I am kind of

tired of it but still dread the crying-it-out thing. I'd love to sleep in my

hubby's bed. Anyhow, some nights he wakes up, demands his stim things and stays

up! For hours. Sometimes he does not go back to sleep at all.

I would love to hear more about this issue - anything that has worked for

anyone else?

Thanks

btm66 <btm66@...> wrote:

Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

mentioned that at our last visit, but I'm afraid that it will messup

his natural melatonin (but then again it seems to be lacking anyway).

Does anyone know what's causing the wakings?

Thanks.

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March 23, 2006

Me too. I guess my husband doesn't think I love him anymore. I'm in

one twin bed and my younging is in the other or he's in the bed with

me.

> Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

> mentioned that at our last visit, but I'm afraid that it will

messup

> his natural melatonin (but then again it seems to be lacking

anyway).

>

> Does anyone know what's causing the wakings?

>

> Thanks.

>

> =======================================================

>

March 23, 2006

I am on another list, and we have been talking about sleep and lack

of calcium.

I think the new study showed thimerosal did something to calcium.

Try giving extra calcium and see if that helps.

Donna

> Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

> mentioned that at our last visit, but I'm afraid that it will

messup

> his natural melatonin (but then again it seems to be lacking

anyway).

>

> Does anyone know what's causing the wakings?

>

> Thanks.

>

> =======================================================

>

March 23, 2006

Recent labs showed serum calcium was in the middle of normal,

however, I dont' give them dairy, only oj with calcium.

His labs were out of range for Vit. A and anemia. Does you child

have problems with these.

I'll try the calcium.

Thanks.

> > Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

> > mentioned that at our last visit, but I'm afraid that it will

> messup

> > his natural melatonin (but then again it seems to be lacking

> anyway).

> >

> > Does anyone know what's causing the wakings?

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

March 23, 2006

> His labs were out of range for Vit. A and anemia. Does you child

> have problems with these.

I am not sure. I never had this checked.

Donna

> > > Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our

doctor

> > > mentioned that at our last visit, but I'm afraid that it will

> > messup

> > > his natural melatonin (but then again it seems to be lacking

> > anyway).

> > >

> > > Does anyone know what's causing the wakings?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >

March 23, 2006

Our son had a period where he would wake up from 3.oo am to 6.00 and

even 7.00 in the morning. During this time he would be very hyper,

jumping on the bed, etc. Dr. Usman told us that liver stress manifests

itself that way. We reduced the dose of our chelator at the time and

he went back to sleep inmediately.

If you are chelating, you may want to check a)dose and liver detox

support (we used Liverlife for months).

Hope this helps some,

>

> Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

> mentioned that at our last visit, but I'm afraid that it will messup

> his natural melatonin (but then again it seems to be lacking anyway).

>

> Does anyone know what's causing the wakings?

>

> Thanks.

>

March 23, 2006

We use it. It helps. If your child has adequate natural melatonin I don't think

you would be contemplating using a melatonin supplement.

There are about one million things potentially causing the wakings, including a

deliberately rude mockingbird singing at the first hint of a micro-glint of

morning sun at four AM. Cats can also be rude often thoughtlessly clawing at

screened windows between midnight and two AM. Melting ice trickling down inside

a sippy cup on the dresser can be amplified to the level of a Who concert in the

silence of night. Someone with jimmy legs in another room can cause awakenings

if the motion somehow transfers to the bed springs. A swallow well pump short

cycling a time or two can cause a thud which transfers enough energy through the

ground outside to arouse a sleeping person. An air conditioning condenser pump

can kick in and cause brutal noise. An air duct can hiss or create a slight

tapping sound which can break the rhythm of silence.

[ ] 4 yr old waking every night

Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

mentioned that at our last visit, but I'm afraid that it will messup

his natural melatonin (but then again it seems to be lacking anyway).

Does anyone know what's causing the wakings?

Thanks.

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March 23, 2006

Iron deficiency anemia or folic acid deficiency anemia? They're different.

S S

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Recent labs showed serum calcium was in the middle of normal,

however, I dont' give them dairy, only oj with calcium.

His labs were out of range for Vit. A and anemia. Does you child

have problems with these.

I'll try the calcium.

Thanks.

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March 23, 2006

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>

> We use it. It helps. If your child has adequate natural melatonin

I don't think you would be contemplating using a melatonin

supplement.

>

> There are about one million things potentially causing the

wakings, including a deliberately rude mockingbird singing at the

first hint of a micro-glint of morning sun at four AM. Cats can also

be rude often thoughtlessly clawing at screened windows between

midnight and two AM. Melting ice trickling down inside a sippy cup

on the dresser can be amplified to the level of a Who concert in the

silence of night. Someone with jimmy legs in another room can cause

awakenings if the motion somehow transfers to the bed springs. A

swallow well pump short cycling a time or two can cause a thud which

transfers enough energy through the ground outside to arouse a

sleeping person. An air conditioning condenser pump can kick in and

cause brutal noise. An air duct can hiss or create a slight tapping

sound which can break the rhythm of silence.

> [ ] 4 yr old waking every night

>

> Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

> mentioned that at our last visit, but I'm afraid that it will

messup

> his natural melatonin (but then again it seems to be lacking

anyway).

>

> Does anyone know what's causing the wakings?

>

> Thanks.

>

> =======================================================

>

March 23, 2006

A few generic thoughts (use what seems good to you, ignore the rest):

We always had " white noise " machines or fans to provide white noise for the

kids. They couldn't sleep without them.

I and others I know cured their insomnia by finding a mold or mildew source

in the bedroom and getting rid of it (or, in the case of musty books,

removing them from the bedroom) and cleaning all the bedding very

thoroughly.

I routinely recommend that people give Co-q-10 in the morning rather than

melatonin at night or, in extreme casese, give Co-Q-10 in the morning and

melatonin at night. Co-q-10 is the co-enzyme for melatonin and wakes the

brain up in the mornin. People are very prone to being deficient in it

because it is made in the body in a complex 17 step process, so lacking

something at any stage can cause a deficiency. If you take co-q-10 in the

morning, about 12 hours later the body will produce more melatonin -- so,

ideally, it should be given about 12 hours or so before the desired

bedtime. However, if you give melatonin in the evening, it does NOT cause

the body to produce more co-q-10. \

My personal experience and the experience of my oldest son is that melatonin

by itself made us too sleepy and we could not fully wake up for 2 or 3 days

after taking it. I regularly take co-q-10 but only successfully took

melatonin for about a month or two when bad withdrawal symptoms from

stopping medication were making it impossible for me to sleep AT ALL for 3

or 4 weeks. During that time, my brain chemistry was so fried that I

desperately needed help to make it go to sleep. Some autistics have similar

issues. But if the child's sleep issues are not real extreme, I think

giving co-q-10 as a first step can more gently help establish a healthy

daily cycle of brain chemicals for the waking and sleeping cycles.

Be forewarned: if there are long-standing sleep issues, when one begins to

sleep properly, there will be very vivid dreams because the mind is

dream-deprived when it is sleep-deprived. (Smokers usually experience the

same thing when they stop smoking.) Some people experience these as

" nightmares " but it is completely normal. To my knowledge, there is no way

to avoid going through this stage. Understanding that vivid dreams are to

be expected can help you cope in case the child does experience them as

nightmares -- you will know it is normal and you may be able to get the

child to understand too.

Good luck,

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

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March 24, 2006

I have read over and over again that parents giving their ASD children

DMG (Dimethylglycine - formerly called vitamin B15) and/or a

combination of vitamin B6 & magnesium helped them sleep much better.

Parents have reported incredible gains in all areas from using these

supplement.

Meg

March 24, 2006

My son is 4 years old and I started giving him liquid Melatonin this

past fall. We would wrestle for literally an hour or more trying to

keep him to sleep. His body could not wind down or relax on its own.

The Melatonin has changed my life!!! It's one of the biggest WOW's I've

had. It only takes 2 drops in a cup of juice and 20-30 minutes later

he's dragging me to bed. We've had a couple instances lately that he's

been ready for bed without it so I'm hoping he's beginning to produce

more Melatonin on his own now. It was expensive just around $10 for

the bottle and it is lasting a long time.

>

> Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

> mentioned that at our last visit, but I'm afraid that it will messup

> his natural melatonin (but then again it seems to be lacking anyway).

>

> Does anyone know what's causing the wakings?

>

> Thanks.

>

March 24, 2006

Thanks Michele,

your message was very encouraging! Thanks for the Co-Q-10 advice very much!

Michele <talithamichele@...> wrote:

,

As far as I know, Co-Q-10 should not interfere with a yeast protocol. Give

it with any other fatty supplements you give (like vitamins A or E or fish

oils) or a fatty food and it will absorb better.

Lena,

My oldest slept up against me like I was his mattress or pillow until he was

9 1/2. The battle to get him out of my bed began when he was two years

old. He would sleep part of the night in his bed and then come in my bed as

soon as he knew he could get away with it (he always woke up a few times

during the night, so when he could tell I was in bed, he would come crawl in

bed with me). I was not able to get him out of my bed until we after we had

him on vitamin therapy for several months. He has respiratory problems and

I know that infants benefit from being physically up against mom because the

mature heart and lungs beat out a tempo and the child's immature systems

step to the beat. For kids with heart or lung problems, being physically up

against an older person (older sibling or parent) can be extremely good for

them. Also, if they have trouble staying warm, another human body is the

absolute best means to help them regulate their temperature. There were

probably a few other reasons my son slept with me so long but I was able to

get him out of my bed when his physical condition improved sufficiently.

So hang in there. With age and improved health, this should get better.

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

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March 24, 2006

One of the ways I find out what wakes my kid is by sleeping in their

room for a night or two. Usually, I find some odd noise or things

you and I sleep through. For example my son took to waking at 6am

three or four times a week. Not his usual time. He was definitely

still tired. After spending a night in there I realized that my

inconsiderate neighbors behind me were letting out their two dogs at

6am and then not letting them in until after they barked for a

constant 45 minutes!!