Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Andy: What would be your protocol using CaEDTA in TD and suppository while on TD-DMPS (every 8 hours 3/4 per your protocol). Thanks Jeanne andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > Your options are: > DMSA - oral or TD > CaEDTA - IV, TD, oral or suppository > > DMPS and ALA generally won't help with lead although there are > exceptions. ALA helps with lead. DMPS does not. > I have a 3 year old " lead head " and we have found IV and suppository > CaEDTA to be highly effective. The lead pulls are approximately 20 > times higher than with DMSA. > > Darren > > we are dealing with Lead poisoning, any suggestions for Lead > > cheliationg? > > somebody wrote TD DMPS is used more for mercury? > > any comments? > > Bea > > > ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 > Andy: > > What would be your protocol using CaEDTA in TD and suppository while on TD-DMPS (every 8 hours 3/4 per your protocol). Thanks > Jeanne My protocol for this would be: Don't do it. Use DMSA instead. If that isn't possible, we'll talk about what to do. BTW, what is the good reason for using the DMPS TD instead of by mouth? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 We did use oral DMSA before on 3/4 protocol, but my son has alot of gut issues and yeast/bacteria were too bad to keep going with the oral DMSA, even though he has been on the SCDiet. So we switched to TD-DMPS with your 3/4, 10 drops every 8hrs protocol which has been great progress with minimal gut issues. He also gets all vitamins/minerals everyday. This schedule works because my son is in 1st grade and school hours are longer, plus I work during the day and DO NOT trust anyone else to chelate him at school. I know TD-DMPS doesn't chelate lead so that's why I wanted to add CaEDTA. I prefer transdermal form and really don't like the idea of suppositories. He is also on B-12 injections (1x/week), TD-LDN(every night) and glutathione (1x/week) (neublizer form) which has also helped him. Can you please help me figure out what would be a safe protocol when adding TD-CaEDTA to TD-DMPS? My son is 6yo weighs 57lbs, recently did his bloodwork to check kidneys and liver function, etc. everything was normal. Is it ok to add TD-CaEDTA the same time/schedule as TD-DMPS? Appreciate your help. Thank you. Jeanne andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > Andy: > > What would be your protocol using CaEDTA in TD and suppository while on TD-DMPS (every 8 hours 3/4 per your protocol). Thanks > Jeanne My protocol for this would be: Don't do it. Use DMSA instead. If that isn't possible, we'll talk about what to do. BTW, what is the good reason for using the DMPS TD instead of by mouth? Andy ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 We switched to td-dmps for the same reason (gut issues and school issues) but we add ALA for lead. I thought ALA does chelate lead also? Nadia 2006/4/14, Jeanne <jeannebee20032002@...>: > We did use oral DMSA before on 3/4 protocol, but my son has alot of gut issues and yeast/bacteria were too bad to keep going with the oral DMSA, even though he has been on the SCDiet. So we switched to TD-DMPS with your 3/4, 10 drops every 8hrs protocol which has been great progress with minimal gut issues. He also gets all vitamins/minerals everyday. This schedule works because my son is in 1st grade and school hours are longer, plus I work during the day and DO NOT trust anyone else to chelate him at school. I know TD-DMPS doesn't chelate lead so that's why I wanted to add CaEDTA. I prefer transdermal form and really don't like the idea of suppositories. > > He is also on B-12 injections (1x/week), TD-LDN(every night) and glutathione (1x/week) (neublizer form) which has also helped him. > > Can you please help me figure out what would be a safe protocol when adding TD-CaEDTA to TD-DMPS? My son is 6yo weighs 57lbs, recently did his bloodwork to check kidneys and liver function, etc. everything was normal. > > Is it ok to add TD-CaEDTA the same time/schedule as TD-DMPS? > > Appreciate your help. Thank you. > Jeanne > > andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > Andy: > > > > What would be your protocol using CaEDTA in TD and suppository > while on TD-DMPS (every 8 hours 3/4 per your protocol). Thanks > > Jeanne > > My protocol for this would be: > > Don't do it. > > Use DMSA instead. > > If that isn't possible, we'll talk about what to do. > > BTW, what is the good reason for using the DMPS TD instead of by mouth? > > Andy > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 Andy: Do you prefer DMSA to DMPS in most situations? [ ] Re: Lead cheliation/Andy > Andy: > > What would be your protocol using CaEDTA in TD and suppository while on TD-DMPS (every 8 hours 3/4 per your protocol). Thanks > Jeanne My protocol for this would be: Don't do it. Use DMSA instead. If that isn't possible, we'll talk about what to do. BTW, what is the good reason for using the DMPS TD instead of by mouth? Andy ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 > Andy: > Do you prefer DMSA to DMPS in most situations? No. However since it is at least 10 times cheaper and can be gotten without a prescription - and when a doctor is willing to prescribe they are often comfortable with DMSA since it is approved for lead toxicity in children while DMPS is in a legal netherland as to what it is really for - many people end up using DMSA. I actually prefer DMPS since it is common for people to simply feel better while using it. However DMPS is useless for lead. When there might be lead, DMSA is the correct choice between the two. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 I would be very surprised if you managed to get EDTA into him via the transdermal route. I don't particularly think suppositories are a good idea for any number of reasons. ALA may well chelate lead, the literature is not clear on this, however it IS clear that ALA corrects and repairs some of the biochemical damage lead does in the brain of experimental animals. If you don't want to deal with DMSA and 4 hour dosing, I suggest oral EDTA 1 week every 1-2 months. The thing with oral EDTA is that if you start at a goodly dose it causes nausea, you may need to take a while to work up from say 25-50 mg to maybe 250 - 500 mg. Unless you have gotten plasma cysteine done at Great Smokies labs/Genova Diagnostics, avoid the products with a lot of garlic and other sulfury stuff in them and stick to EDTA salts. EDTA is stable in liquids for long periods, btw, if this makes it easier for you. Andy > > We switched to td-dmps for the same reason (gut issues and school > issues) but we add ALA for lead. I thought ALA does chelate lead also? > > Nadia > > 2006/4/14, Jeanne <jeannebee20032002@...>: > > We did use oral DMSA before on 3/4 protocol, but my son has alot of gut issues and yeast/bacteria were too bad to keep going with the oral DMSA, even though he has been on the SCDiet. So we switched to TD-DMPS with your 3/4, 10 drops every 8hrs protocol which has been great progress with minimal gut issues. He also gets all vitamins/minerals everyday. This schedule works because my son is in 1st grade and school hours are longer, plus I work during the day and DO NOT trust anyone else to chelate him at school. I know TD-DMPS doesn't chelate lead so that's why I wanted to add CaEDTA. I prefer transdermal form and really don't like the idea of suppositories. > > > > He is also on B-12 injections (1x/week), TD-LDN(every night) and glutathione (1x/week) (neublizer form) which has also helped him. > > > > Can you please help me figure out what would be a safe protocol when adding TD-CaEDTA to TD-DMPS? My son is 6yo weighs 57lbs, recently did his bloodwork to check kidneys and liver function, etc. everything was normal. > > > > Is it ok to add TD-CaEDTA the same time/schedule as TD-DMPS? > > > > Appreciate your help. Thank you. > > Jeanne > > > > andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > > Andy: > > > > > > What would be your protocol using CaEDTA in TD and suppository > > while on TD-DMPS (every 8 hours 3/4 per your protocol). Thanks > > > Jeanne > > > > My protocol for this would be: > > > > Don't do it. > > > > Use DMSA instead. > > > > If that isn't possible, we'll talk about what to do. > > > > BTW, what is the good reason for using the DMPS TD instead of by mouth? > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 hi i have a question. why only one week a month. i was told to do it three days on 4 days off. is this to much. i have seen so much improvement in him in just doing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 15/04/2006 14:44:36 GMT Daylight Time, ummezahid@... writes: i have a question. why only one week a month. i was told to do it three days on 4 days off. is this to much. i have seen so much improvement in him in just doing this >>>This was in relation to LEad and after some time of chelation, it takes a loooong time to pull Lead out of bones. Well yu dont; pull it oput the bones, you pull from the body, then the LEad leeches out of bones to recreate the equilibrium between bone and body and then yuo go back and take it away from there again. Now as you get further along with chelation, you are moving less, but you are moving th eimportnat stuff. So give it a good three weeks to leech out and then go get it. If you have issues with other metals then keep doing what you are doing. What Andy measn as further down the line, you can go after Lead less often and get more. DOes this make any sense at all? Mandi in UK _Treating Autism_ (http://www.treatingautism.com/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Makes sense to me Mandi! Also, EDTA does bind to important things like Mg and Zn, so long intervals between use gives the body longer time to replace those. J > > > In a message dated 15/04/2006 14:44:36 GMT Daylight Time, ummezahid@... > writes: > > i have a question. why only one week a month. i was told to do it three > days > on 4 days off. is this to much. > i have seen so much improvement in him in just doing this > > > > >>>This was in relation to LEad and after some time of chelation, it takes a > loooong time to pull Lead out of bones. Well yu dont; pull it oput the > bones, you pull from the body, then the LEad leeches out of bones to recreate the > equilibrium between bone and body and then yuo go back and take it away from > there again. > > Now as you get further along with chelation, you are moving less, but you > are moving th eimportnat stuff. So give it a good three weeks to leech out and > then go get it. If you have issues with other metals then keep doing what you > are doing. What Andy measn as further down the line, you can go after Lead > less often and get more. DOes this make any sense at all? > > Mandi in UK > _Treating Autism_ (http://www.treatingautism.com/) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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