RE: vaccination questions..................

[Guest guest]

thank you

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My 4 kids are all vaccinated and we have related health issues. I've

decided if we have and act of God and another baby happens, (dh had

surg) - NO SHOTS, now that my eyes are opened.

I have a friend with 3 beautiful healthy dds who have not been

vaccinated for anything, ages 6mo to nearly 5. They have never had

anything scarier than a nasty cold. Since they are homeschoolers they

don't face the pressure of shots before enrollment. In fact this df

had all her babies at home so that she wouldn't have to face the

harrassment at the hospital when she declined the shots. I have

another df expecting her 5th and she is dreading the third degree she

will receive at the hospital, but is determined to " call the shots "

in the immunization department, pun intended. She has 2 kids who were

affected by their immunizations, one with adhd and the other with

severe hyperactivity. Lesson learned. Hopefully medical science will

catch up with reality, but for now... I'd wait.

>

> i went to the ped today for the babies check up and he wanted to

know about

> the vaccines he is so nice i said no that i do not know when i do

not want to

> ever do it. but he said he was scared that the risk is very small

but there

> is still a risk that my baby could get real sick from something

and he does

> not want to see that happen. he said he would like to call around

to some

> people who might be able to offer advice on how we can get him

vaccinated but I am

> so scared I don't know what to do it do it or not do I take the

plunge and

> risk it all or stick to my guns. How many of you guys have

unvaccinated

> children. how many unvaccinated children really get these

sicknesses?

> please help me and off me some advice on what to do

> thank you so much

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have one partially vaccinated child (we stopped when she showed digestive

problems and a gross motor delay) and one completely unvaccinated child. I

also have a pediatrician who supports my position and a DAN doctor for my

daughter (the first child) who supports my position for both kids.

Take a good look at Cave's " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You

About Children's Vaccinations " . It's a great resource. Also, spend a

little time on the NVIC website. And remember that people stopped dying

from the diseases we vaccinate for about a decade before the vaccinations

were manufactured. Public health policies like universal vaccination do not

treat people as individuals. The risk to YOUR child from the vaccines may

well indeed be higher than the risk of the disease itself. Also, know that

although they (at least theoretically) removed the thimerosal from the

vaccines they still contain aluminum and formaldehyde and in some cases

aborted fetal tissue as well as parts of monkeys.

Whatever you do, follow your mommy gut. I don't know whether you plan to

home school or not but all states provide for medical exemption from vaccine

and many provide for religious or philosophical exemption. With the history

of your other 2 children, you have a great case for staying away from them.

At bare minimum you would want to do a very delayed/extended vaccine

schedule. Autism is a disease in which the body has a difficult time (more

difficult than 'average') clearing heavy metals and other toxins. Those

vaccines are full of toxins; and the 'live' ones are also filed with

potential viral problems.

Just my opinion. I hope this helps!

Josie

vaccination questions..................

Hello everyone

I hope all is well. It has been a little bit since my last write but things

have been moving so quick sometimes time gets away from me it seems.

Anyway I have 5 children two are adopted so they are not in this

discussion.

But my three I have boys the first he is 7 autistic, cardiac arrest after

vaccines, meningitis, milk in both lungs high fevers, etc., etc., it goes

on

and on.

my next boy is 5 he is much better not delayed at all developmentally but

at

4 months aright after he got his shots his eyes started jumping and he lost

his sight. no i cannot prove that he lost it at that moment but i was told

by

several dan people that babies do not grow into nastagnus they are born with

it and grow out of it if you grow into it , it is caused by something. to

make a long story short he is legally blind with severe retina damage and

hyper

lol.

My third boy he is 11 months old completely unvaccinated and so wonderful

he

is so healthy and happy I have never had a baby like this he is so perfect

he

does things early he is so happy and oh wow I cannot go on with how perfect

and nice and just healthy he is.'

i went to the ped today for the babies check up and he wanted to know about

the vaccines he is so nice i said no that i do not know when i do not want

to

ever do it. but he said he was scared that the risk is very small but there

is still a risk that my baby could get real sick from something and he does

not want to see that happen. he said he would like to call around to some

people who might be able to offer advice on how we can get him vaccinated

but I am

so scared I don't know what to do it do it or not do I take the plunge and

risk it all or stick to my guns. How many of you guys have unvaccinated

children. how many unvaccinated children really get these sicknesses?

please help me and off me some advice on what to do

thank you so much

[Guest guest]

One thing I am certain of is that mercury caused your kids problems. I've

seen the model so many times, and I've lived it my entire life

(autistic/aspergers symptoms as a kid) and 48 years later I'm still

struggling with mercury poisoning. The first time I went through mercury

chelation I saw hundreds of women with stories like yours. It is well known

the first born boy gets the biggest dump of mercury, then the next born

child gets less. Many women had several stillborns, then an autistic kid,

then the next would be ADHD, then the next would be fine, etc. When they got

vaccinated more exposure to mercury would turn the lesser toxic ones

autistic or create some severe syndrome.

Under NO circumstances would I get a vaccination containing thimerosol or

mercury in any form. I would say I was allergic to mercury compounds like

thimerosol. But be warned, doctors will lie to you. I told a doctor I was

highly allergic to thimerosol and mercury compounds and he talked me into a

tetanus booster that I later found out contained thimerosol and it almost

killed me.

If you absolutely can't legally avoid a vaccination, make them show you the

manufacturers data sheet and make sure it contains no mercury. Maybe someone

else can tell you how to legally avoid all vaccinations, which is what I

would do.

Cheers,

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Subject: [ ] vaccination questions..................

Hello everyone

I hope all is well. It has been a little bit since my last write but things

have been moving so quick sometimes time gets away from me it seems.

Anyway I have 5 children two are adopted so they are not in this

discussion.

But my three I have boys the first he is 7 autistic, cardiac arrest after

vaccines, meningitis, milk in both lungs high fevers, etc., etc., it goes

on

and on.

my next boy is 5 he is much better not delayed at all developmentally but

at

4 months aright after he got his shots his eyes started jumping and he lost

his sight. no i cannot prove that he lost it at that moment but i was told

by

several dan people that babies do not grow into nastagnus they are born with

it and grow out of it if you grow into it , it is caused by something. to

make a long story short he is legally blind with severe retina damage and

hyper

lol.

My third boy he is 11 months old completely unvaccinated and so wonderful

he

is so healthy and happy I have never had a baby like this he is so perfect

he

does things early he is so happy and oh wow I cannot go on with how perfect

and nice and just healthy he is.'

i went to the ped today for the babies check up and he wanted to know about

the vaccines he is so nice i said no that i do not know when i do not want

to

ever do it. but he said he was scared that the risk is very small but there

is still a risk that my baby could get real sick from something and he does

not want to see that happen. he said he would like to call around to some

people who might be able to offer advice on how we can get him vaccinated

but I am

so scared I don't know what to do it do it or not do I take the plunge and

risk it all or stick to my guns. How many of you guys have unvaccinated

children. how many unvaccinated children really get these sicknesses?

please help me and off me some advice on what to do

thank you so much

[Guest guest]

I am in the same boat, my daughter is 12 mo. unvaccinated such a happy on target

healthy baby. No colic, no delays, no problems whatsoever, except occasional

yeast or bacterial issues, not sure which that keep her up for a couple of hours

until I give her some baby probiotics, and then she goes right to sleep. This is

the complete opposite of my son ph age 7. I too did not want to repeat the

same mistakes, and so one of the many things we are doing, is to hold off on

vaccinations. We had thought, we would vaccinate one by one, no cocktails, with

thimerasol free vaccines, the biggies, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis and

the Hib B. The rest of the illness' weren't worth vaccinating against. However,

we scheduled the first shot 4 or 5 times, and each time she got sick right

before the shot, and this was after we had labs done to verify her metabolism,

immune and gut system were all functioning on target. So we would postpone and

reschedule, and then, the day before we had most recently scheduled the first

polio shot, I couldn't sleep. All the what-ifs, and the pain ph went

through, all the things that can't be undone. is absolutely perfect, and

so, we canceled. Our pediatrician was not happy. That is okay, I'm not doing

this to make her happy. Although I understand the pressure to " appear " to be a

good parent, you know, compliant. However, I cowed down to the pressure and

allowed those Doctors to do tremendous damage to my son, and I'll not do that

again, to any child. And so, against her advice, we've agreed to wait until

is 2, before we begin the vaccinations. It's hard, can't take her to the

mall, or any other highly populated places. We carry a huge jug of water in the

back of our car and a pump bottle of soap and wash our hands constantly. We

don't wear shoes in the house, ph changes and baths when he gets home from

school. But you know, these are things we were doing anyway, because ph is

missing part of his immune system, thanks to the damage the vaccines did to him

( my opinion). So, here we are. turned 13 mo. on the 21st, and the days

just fly by. She not only walks now but runs. She says new words and phrases

daily. Today she said " chicken " and " stop it " for the first time. We adore her,

she's loud, affectionate, happy, sleeps 12 hours a night and takes two naps a

day ( ph was sleeping 3 to 4 hours a night and stopping his naps at about

this time). He didn't like to be touched, which made changing his diaper a

tussle, and sounds and lights were beginning to be an issue. He'd never had a

solid bowel movement and he was losing words and phrases. So, I understand your

worries, they are all genuine. Cave's book What Your Doctor May Not

Tell You About Children's Vaccinations is a pretty good starting point in

researching vaccines. Good luck to you, it's difficult, I know.

vaccination questions..................

Hello everyone

I hope all is well. It has been a little bit since my last write but things

have been moving so quick sometimes time gets away from me it seems.

Anyway I have 5 children two are adopted so they are not in this discussion.

But my three I have boys the first he is 7 autistic, cardiac arrest after

vaccines, meningitis, milk in both lungs high fevers, etc., etc., it goes on

and on.

my next boy is 5 he is much better not delayed at all developmentally but at

4 months aright after he got his shots his eyes started jumping and he lost

his sight. no i cannot prove that he lost it at that moment but i was told by

several dan people that babies do not grow into nastagnus they are born with

it and grow out of it if you grow into it , it is caused by something. to

make a long story short he is legally blind with severe retina damage and

hyper

lol.

My third boy he is 11 months old completely unvaccinated and so wonderful he

is so healthy and happy I have never had a baby like this he is so perfect he

does things early he is so happy and oh wow I cannot go on with how perfect

and nice and just healthy he is.'

i went to the ped today for the babies check up and he wanted to know about

the vaccines he is so nice i said no that i do not know when i do not want to

ever do it. but he said he was scared that the risk is very small but there

is still a risk that my baby could get real sick from something and he does

not want to see that happen. he said he would like to call around to some

people who might be able to offer advice on how we can get him vaccinated but

I am

so scared I don't know what to do it do it or not do I take the plunge and

risk it all or stick to my guns. How many of you guys have unvaccinated

children. how many unvaccinated children really get these sicknesses?

please help me and off me some advice on what to do

thank you so much

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/27/2006 1:22:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

maxhouse8@... writes:

Child #4 was born the year they started trying to give Hepatitis vaccines to

newborns.

What year was this??

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I have six children. The first two were fully vaccinated through grade

school;,I never even blinked an eye or asked questions. Child #3 received

vaccinations through the 15 month checkup. By then I had started researching

vaccines. Child #4 was born the year they started trying to give Hepatitis

vaccines to newborns. I declined, because I'd never heard of it and could not

imagine giving such a thing to a brand new baby. Still researching, I talked to

our pediatrician, asking him to provide me with pro-vaccine info, since I could

only find books against vaccines and I wanted to make an informed decision. All

he gave me were the little flyers they hand out in the office that don't really

tell you anything, and he tried to scare me into the shots. I never went back

to his office again.

Children #4 through 6 received no shots at all, with the exception of a

tetunus shot that #5 received after an injury at age 2. BTW, this is my child

w/OCD-Tourette's.

Anyway, there has been no outbreak of any dread disease. No measles, no

mumps, rubella, whooping cough or polio. I can barely get these children to

have the chicken pox when there is an outbreak! Out of the six children, only

three of them have ever had chicken pox, despite being exposed to it. Right now

the children are 24, 23, 14, 12, 10 and 8. They actually are pretty healthy.

[Guest guest]

ratlenhum@... wrote:

Child #4 was born the year they started trying to give Hepatitis vaccines to

newborns.

What year was this??

***1993--actually, it could have started in 92--I had one child in 91 and they

weren't doing it, but by 93 they were.

[Guest guest]

Is thimerasol still the Hep B vaccine in California???

ratlenhum@... wrote:

In a message dated 1/27/2006 1:22:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

maxhouse8@... writes:

Child #4 was born the year they started trying to give Hepatitis vaccines to

newborns.

What year was this??

[Guest guest]

I second this. There are NO 'safe' vaccines imo. B.

>

> I would not vaccinate! Never again!

>

>

> Valentina

>

>

>

> > i went to the ped today for the babies check up and he wanted to

know about

> > the vaccines he is so nice i said no that i do not know when i do

not want to

> > ever do it. but he said he was scared that the risk is very small

but there

> > is still a risk that my baby could get real sick from something

and he does

> > not want to see that happen. he said he would like to call

around to some

> > people who might be able to offer advice on how we can get him

vaccinated but I am

> > so scared I don't know what to do it do it or not do I take the

plunge and

> > risk it all or stick to my guns. How many of you guys have

unvaccinated

> > children. how many unvaccinated children really get these

sicknesses?

> > please help me and off me some advice on what to do

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I would not vaccinate! Never again!

Me neither!

Nell

[Guest guest]

No more vaccines here either, ever! I have one vaccinated and ASD son who was

very sickly for the longest time. I also have two that are completely

unvaccinated and there is no chance I am going to change my mind on that

decision. One of them is almost 3 1/2 and he is so incredibly healthy. I have

only once put him on antibiotics due to a nasty ear infection that was

threatening to burst his eardrum. Other than that he has maybe been actually

sick a couple times. His immune system is able to fight things off so all he

will get is a slight cough or a runny nose. My daughter is the same way. She

is 16 months old and has only really been sick twice and once was croup. Zach

was a Rhogam baby and with my metal load he does have some issues but doesn't

qualify for any diagnosis. I do believe he would be autistic had I vaccinated

him. My daughter wasn't a Rhogam baby and is perfectly NT. I do use

supplements to help boost their immune system when they are fighting

colds/viruses.

I occasionally worry about them getting something but as the years have gone

by I worry less and less. Many of the things they vaccinate for are not an

issue anymore. And what they still can get is not as bad anymore due to proper

treatment. Homeopathy also has an excellent record for treating those diseases.

The chance of them actually catching one of those diseases and having a hard

time with it is much less than what I feel can happen with the vaccines. There

are just too many things that can go wrong. I have to say it was also nice not

to worry so much about SIDS with my two youngest as I feel the pertussis part of

the Dtap has a huge part in that happening. Especially with my family, it

wasn't worth the risk.

If you are worried about not vaccinating really look at how often these things

are diagnosed. And when they are what percentage of the people are actually

vaccinated. That is important because it is often up to 50%. And if they really

do get these diseases what is the usual outcome and what means are available to

treat it. Like I said, homoepathy has excellent records with lots of diseases.

My one fear was pertussis with the babies. I saw an article in Homeopathy

magazine that happened to be featuring exactly that. I don't worry about it

now.

Just don't get bullied into any decision. You have to decide what it best for

your family. Doctors are quick to demand vaccinations but don't have to live

with the outcome of that, we do.

Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote:

I would not vaccinate! Never again!

Valentina

> i went to the ped today for the babies check up and he wanted to know about

> the vaccines he is so nice i said no that i do not know when i do not want to

> ever do it. but he said he was scared that the risk is very small but there

> is still a risk that my baby could get real sick from something and he does

> not want to see that happen. he said he would like to call around to some

> people who might be able to offer advice on how we can get him vaccinated but

I am

> so scared I don't know what to do it do it or not do I take the plunge and

> risk it all or stick to my guns. How many of you guys have unvaccinated

> children. how many unvaccinated children really get these sicknesses?

> please help me and off me some advice on what to do

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Me neither on the no vaxxing! Not even our pets!

[Guest guest]

I would not vaccinate! Never again!

Valentina

> i went to the ped today for the babies check up and he wanted to know about

> the vaccines he is so nice i said no that i do not know when i do not want to

> ever do it. but he said he was scared that the risk is very small but there

> is still a risk that my baby could get real sick from something and he does

> not want to see that happen. he said he would like to call around to some

> people who might be able to offer advice on how we can get him vaccinated but

I am

> so scared I don't know what to do it do it or not do I take the plunge and

> risk it all or stick to my guns. How many of you guys have unvaccinated

> children. how many unvaccinated children really get these sicknesses?

> please help me and off me some advice on what to do

[Guest guest]

> Is thimerasol still the Hep B vaccine in California???

Not unless it's been sitting on the shelf a long time. I still don't

think it should be given to a newborn though. Here is a table of all

current vaccines.

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

R, 's mom

[Guest guest]

You can also go to 909shot. Org or com (forget the suffix)

Re: vaccination questions..................

> Is thimerasol still the Hep B vaccine in California???

Not unless it's been sitting on the shelf a long time. I still don't

think it should be given to a newborn though. Here is a table of all

current vaccines.

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

R, 's mom