Re: Medication for Behavior Problems

[Guest guest]

Dee,

Hold the phone! I know that many people use medication to " control "

their children. But many doctors never look for the reason why the

child is that way in the first place. If your grandson had that many

metal fillings, he is toxic from mercury. I myself have that many, and

have mercury poisoning. My daughter whom is 10 now, had five amalgams

which we removed but is mercury toxic. Children this age would also

have recieved vaccines preserved with mercury thimerosal as infants

and toddlers. Mercury is cumulative, so more is added each time they

are exposed. MOst doctors do not recognize mercury poisoning and have

no clue how to test for it.

You are right to question all this. What you are telling me they want

to do does not make sense. And many " autistic " children are actually

heavy metal poisoned. It causes the sypmtoms and behaviors you speak

of. With his dental history, I would bet my right arm he has metal

poisoning. This is treatable, but concerta is not the answer. These

are psychotrophic drugs with unknown effects on children. Especially

in the long term. There is not much testing on what they do to

children's brains.

The utmost first step is to get a hair elements analysis from Doctor's

Data Inc. This is painless, and just uses some clippings of hair from

the back of his scalp. The results are in within a week or so.

If you live in NY you will need to order this test through Direct Labs

and have it mailed to someone who lives out of state.

In the meantime, this child should be on high quality vitamins, such

as those made by Kirkman Laboratories. EFA's are excellent and

essential. And zinc as well. There is a whole list if vitamins and

minerals that he should be on. As well as probiotics to help

digestion. Mercury does bad things to the digestive tract.

In the files section of this board, read as much as you can on Andy

Cutler's protocol for supplements and detoxing. The supplements have

helped my toxic kids immensely, and will help while I detox them.

Mercury interfers with a lot of vitamins and minerals, which cause the

brain to operate abnormally, which is why you see the behaviors.

Does this child have allergies, or digestive issues?

I don't meant to overwelm you with so much information at once, but

this child can be helped without drugging him. Concerta does not get

rid of mercury or lead or any other potential toxin. Our world is a

lot more contaminated that it used to be and kids today have a heavy

load of toxins, which is why so many have problems now.

Please feel free to email me privately, others on the board will

provide more help!

>

> My grandson saw a child psychiatrist yesterday at the insistence of

his

> school; they even paid for it.

>

> My grandson is 8, had around 10 almagams and Ni crowns removed last

July.

> He was been diagnosed as autistic by a psychologist winter, although

the

> report is sort of " iffy " . He has been having outburts at school,

hitting and

> running away.

>

> He has never been medically evaluated for " autism " by a neurologist,

GI

> doctor, etc. We are planning to do this.

>

> The psychiatirst yesterday said that he definitely does not have a

mood

> disorder, may not be autistic, and explained his behavior problems

are due to the

> conflict between his high intelligence and feelings of anxiety. I had

> prompted my daughter to ask about diet and supplements, especially

zinc and EFAs.

> He pooh-poohed all but the possible need for EFAs.

>

> He prescribed Concerta (the Ritalin family) which my grandson's

father is

> eager to try. The rest of us are hesitant. We have been told by

an autism

> expert (whom we plan to see when we can arrange it) that a GI

evaluation is a

> necessary part of an evaluation. The expert also said to stay off

meds if

> possible.

>

> Any comments? I would like to hear from both experienced parents and

> professionals. My daughter is holding off on starting the drug until

we gather info

> and discuss the pros and cons.

>

> Thanks.

> Dee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dee,

My son was dx. with ADHD at age 10 (2 yrs ago). Although he didn't

have outburst behaviors at school, he was clumsy, fidgety, floppy,

and a chewer. He was also high maintenance at home! All this didn't

sit well with his studies.

The psych. rx'ed Concerta for him also. I chose not to give it and

took him to see one of my asd son's Drs. who put him on Valtrex and

a good multi vitamin (as well as GABA, glutamine and DMAE). Within 6

wks we saw a huge change in him.

We didn't tell his teachers we weren't giving the Concerta. At his

conferences about 9 wks later his grades went from low B's to low

A's and the teachers confirmed the Concerta was working like a charm.

I 'fessed up at the end of the school year that he never took it.

We did this treatment with him for a year. I now only have him on a

multi-vitamin. When I do see him going through a disgruntled time,

or floppiness return, I do a 2 wk course of the valtrex and it

subsides.

We did chelate him for 3 mos. last summer and saw nothing, good or

bad. For him, it was obviously heavy viral issues.

-- In , familydhh@... wrote:

>

> My grandson saw a child psychiatrist yesterday at the insistence

of his

> school; they even paid for it.

>

> My grandson is 8, had around 10 almagams and Ni crowns removed

last July.

> He was been diagnosed as autistic by a psychologist winter,

although the

> report is sort of " iffy " . He has been having outburts at school,

hitting and

> running away.

>

> He has never been medically evaluated for " autism " by a

neurologist, GI

> doctor, etc. We are planning to do this.

>

> The psychiatirst yesterday said that he definitely does not have a

mood

> disorder, may not be autistic, and explained his behavior problems

are due to the

> conflict between his high intelligence and feelings of anxiety.

I had

> prompted my daughter to ask about diet and supplements, especially

zinc and EFAs.

> He pooh-poohed all but the possible need for EFAs.

>

> He prescribed Concerta (the Ritalin family) which my grandson's

father is

> eager to try. The rest of us are hesitant. We have been told by

an autism

> expert (whom we plan to see when we can arrange it) that a GI

evaluation is a

> necessary part of an evaluation. The expert also said to stay off

meds if

> possible.

>

> Any comments? I would like to hear from both experienced parents

and

> professionals. My daughter is holding off on starting the drug

until we gather info

> and discuss the pros and cons.

>

> Thanks.

> Dee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dee, I forgot to add. I spent a year after my son's success trying

to educate a friend of mine about this as her Kindergartner was

having huge issues at school, but held no diagnosis. Finally, mid

way into First grade she contacted me and went and saw the Dr. about

valtrex. Her son has responded so beautifully she is kicking herself

for not listening to me sooner, lol! The school is thrilled, yet 6

mos. ago they were railroading her to seek an ADHD dx. and get him

on meds!

- In , " McDermott " <jtmcde@...>

wrote:

>

> Dee,

> My son was dx. with ADHD at age 10 (2 yrs ago). Although he didn't

> have outburst behaviors at school, he was clumsy, fidgety, floppy,

> and a chewer. He was also high maintenance at home! All this

didn't

> sit well with his studies.

> The psych. rx'ed Concerta for him also. I chose not to give it and

> took him to see one of my asd son's Drs. who put him on Valtrex

and

> a good multi vitamin (as well as GABA, glutamine and DMAE). Within

6

> wks we saw a huge change in him.

> We didn't tell his teachers we weren't giving the Concerta. At his

> conferences about 9 wks later his grades went from low B's to low

> A's and the teachers confirmed the Concerta was working like a

charm.

> I 'fessed up at the end of the school year that he never took it.

> We did this treatment with him for a year. I now only have him on

a

> multi-vitamin. When I do see him going through a disgruntled time,

> or floppiness return, I do a 2 wk course of the valtrex and it

> subsides.

> We did chelate him for 3 mos. last summer and saw nothing, good or

> bad. For him, it was obviously heavy viral issues.

>

>

>

> -- In , familydhh@ wrote:

> >

> > My grandson saw a child psychiatrist yesterday at the insistence

> of his

> > school; they even paid for it.

> >

> > My grandson is 8, had around 10 almagams and Ni crowns removed

> last July.

> > He was been diagnosed as autistic by a psychologist winter,

> although the

> > report is sort of " iffy " . He has been having outburts at

school,

> hitting and

> > running away.

> >

> > He has never been medically evaluated for " autism " by a

> neurologist, GI

> > doctor, etc. We are planning to do this.

> >

> > The psychiatirst yesterday said that he definitely does not have

a

> mood

> > disorder, may not be autistic, and explained his behavior

problems

> are due to the

> > conflict between his high intelligence and feelings of

anxiety.

> I had

> > prompted my daughter to ask about diet and supplements,

especially

> zinc and EFAs.

> > He pooh-poohed all but the possible need for EFAs.

> >

> > He prescribed Concerta (the Ritalin family) which my grandson's

> father is

> > eager to try. The rest of us are hesitant. We have been told

by

> an autism

> > expert (whom we plan to see when we can arrange it) that a GI

> evaluation is a

> > necessary part of an evaluation. The expert also said to stay

off

> meds if

> > possible.

> >

> > Any comments? I would like to hear from both experienced

parents

> and

> > professionals. My daughter is holding off on starting the drug

> until we gather info

> > and discuss the pros and cons.

> >

> > Thanks.

> > Dee

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Have they done a hair analysis? Were the amalgams removed by a mercury-free

dentist using proper protocol? Did he have issues before amalgam removal or did

they show up after? Doing chelation? What chelator, dose, and dosing schedule?

What supplements is he on?

S S

> -- In , familydhh@ wrote:<BR>

> ><BR>

> > My grandson saw a child psychiatrist yesterday at the insistence <BR>

> of his  <BR>

> > school; they even paid for it.<BR>

> >  <BR>

> > My grandson is 8, had around 10 almagams and Ni crowns removed <BR>

> last  July.  <BR>

> > He was been diagnosed as autistic by a psychologist winter, <BR>

> although  the <BR>

> > report is sort of " iffy " .  He has been having outburts at <BR>

school,  <BR>

> hitting and <BR>

> > running away.<BR>

> >  <BR>

> > He has never been medically evaluated for " autism " by a <BR>

> neurologist, GI  <BR>

> > doctor, etc.  We are planning to do this.<BR>

> >  <BR>

> > The psychiatirst yesterday said that he definitely does not have <BR>

a <BR>

> mood  <BR>

> > disorder, may not be autistic, and explained his behavior <BR>

problems <BR>

> are  due to the <BR>

> > conflict between his high intelligence and feelings of <BR>

anxiety.   <BR>

> I had <BR>

> > prompted my daughter to ask about diet and supplements, <BR>

especially <BR>

> zinc  and EFAs.  <BR>

> > He pooh-poohed all but the possible need for EFAs.<BR>

> >  <BR>

> > He prescribed Concerta (the Ritalin family) which my grandson's  <BR>

> father is <BR>

> > eager to try.  The rest of us are hesitant.  We  have been told <BR>

by <BR>

> an autism <BR>

> > expert (whom we plan to see when we can arrange it)  that a GI <BR>

> evaluation is a <BR>

> > necessary part of an evaluation. The expert also said  to stay <BR>

off <BR>

> meds if <BR>

> > possible.<BR>

> >  <BR>

> > Any comments?  I would like to hear from both experienced <BR>

parents <BR>

> and  <BR>

> > professionals. My daughter is holding off on starting the drug <BR>

> until we gather  info <BR>

> > and discuss the pros and cons.<BR>

> >  <BR>

> > Thanks.<BR>

> > Dee<BR>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone for their input. You've all coincided with my way of

thinking about the problem.

Yes, he is probably mercury toxic. Last year we had all his dental work

(and there was a lot) removed the proper way, but we have not chelated although

he is on lots of supplements. His last hair test was just before the dental

work. Of course, mercury did not show up. He was very high in aluminum,

cadmium, Lead, Uranium, Copper and Barium. He was low in Potassium, Chromium

and

Sulfur.

Can anyone comment further?

Thanks so much.

Dee

[Guest guest]

If it was from DDI post the actual hair test results with color for all elements

and over or under 50% for the essentials and we'll help you determine if he met

the counting rules.

S S

Thanks to everyone for their input.  You've all coincided with my way  of <BR>

thinking about the problem.<BR>

<BR>

Yes, he is probably mercury toxic.  Last year we had all his dental  work <BR>

(and there was a lot) removed the proper way, but we have not chelated  although

<BR>

he is on lots of supplements.  His last hair test was just before  the dental

<BR>

work.  Of course, mercury did not show up. He was very high  in aluminum, <BR>

cadmium, Lead, Uranium, Copper and Barium.  He was low in  Potassium, Chromium

and <BR>

Sulfur.<BR>

<BR>

Can anyone comment further?<BR>

<BR>

Thanks so much.<BR>

<BR>

Dee<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

[Guest guest]

Has he chelated? Wow, I would really think about chelating before doing any

drugs.

Barb

[ ] Medication for behavior problems

> My grandson saw a child psychiatrist yesterday at the insistence of his

> school; they even paid for it.

>

> My grandson is 8, had around 10 almagams and Ni crowns removed last July.

> He was been diagnosed as autistic by a psychologist winter, although the

> report is sort of " iffy " . He has been having outburts at school, hitting

> and

> running away.

>

> He has never been medically evaluated for " autism " by a neurologist, GI

> doctor, etc. We are planning to do this.

>

> The psychiatirst yesterday said that he definitely does not have a mood

> disorder, may not be autistic, and explained his behavior problems are

> due to the

> conflict between his high intelligence and feelings of anxiety. I had

> prompted my daughter to ask about diet and supplements, especially zinc

> and EFAs.

> He pooh-poohed all but the possible need for EFAs.

>

> He prescribed Concerta (the Ritalin family) which my grandson's father is

> eager to try. The rest of us are hesitant. We have been told by an

> autism

> expert (whom we plan to see when we can arrange it) that a GI evaluation

> is a

> necessary part of an evaluation. The expert also said to stay off meds if

> possible.

>

> Any comments? I would like to hear from both experienced parents and

> professionals. My daughter is holding off on starting the drug until we

> gather info

> and discuss the pros and cons.

>

> Thanks.

> Dee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Can anyone comment further?

Yes, agreeing with SS, it would be good to see the DDI hair test (how to

post a hair

test is in the Files section).

I found Andy's hair test book very helpful, and it was instrumental in

convincing me to

chelate myself and my 2 NT kids before future, more serious, health problems set

in.

in Illinois