Re: DDI hair test results...please help interpret

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Hi ,

There is a template to use for hair tests at the bottom of this page:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html#how_to_post

It's easier to interpret the test when ALL information is there (test

result, reference range, color)

That sounds like an enormous amount of DMSA that your dr has

suggested. Check out :

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

and the files section in this group.

It's not safe to skip the every 4 h dosing schedule at night.

>

> Hi all and thanks for any help you can offer in advance!! We

> recieved our son's hair test results today and are open to any and

> all oppinions and guidance as to how to proceed. His Dr.,

> Baptist, has suggested chelation with DMSA 100-200mg every 4 hr.s

> only while awake, starting Fri. afternoons after school, continuing

> untill Sun. at bedtime, collecting urine for analysis all day

> Sunday, then taking 11 days off and starting again the next Fri.

> afternoon, etc. Is it safe to skip the every 4 hr. dosing schedule

> at night? This seemed like a strange suggestion to me. The Dr.

> said that it is usually too hard to get kids to drink enough fluids

> with the chelator when you dose them around the clock.

> Here are his results:

> aluminum:7.9

> antimony:0.025

> arsenic:0.029

> beryllium:<0.01

> bismuth:0.26

> cadmium:0.14

> lead:1.3

> mercury:0.11

> platinum:<0.003

> thallium:<0.001

> thorium:<0.001

> uranium:0.045

> nickel:0.14

> silver:0.15

> tin:0.25

> titanium:0.45

> Other Elements

> calcium:580

> magnesium:340

> sodium:160

> potassium:54

> copper:64

> zinc:160

> manganese:0.46

> chromium:0.40

> vanadium:0.085

> molybdenum:0.045

> boron:2.1

> iodine:2.1

> lithium:0.026

> phosphorus:142

> selenium:0.73

> strontium:3.3

> sulfur:51800

> barium:0.81

> cobalt:0.029

> iron:8.8

> germanium:0.041

> rubidium:0.062

> zirconium:0.47

> I should mention that he is 8 and 1/2 and 63 lbs.

> Thank you again in advance for any guidance you can offer!!!!!

> Very Sincerely,

> Marsh

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, here are my son's results in table format....thanks for the

tip.

POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

element result ref range color

=============================================

aluminum 7.9 <8.0 green

antimony 0.025 <0.066 green

arsenic 0.029 <0.080 green

beryllium <0.01 <0.020 no line

bismuth 0.26 <0.12 yellow

cadmium 0.14 <0.15 green

lead 1.3 <1.0 yellow

mercury 0.11 <0.40 green

platinum <0.003 <0.005 no line

thallium <0.001 <0.010 no line

thorium <0.001 <0.005 no line

uranium 0.045 <0.060 green

nickel 0.14 <0.40 green

silver 0.15 <0.13 yellow

tin 0.25 <0.30 green

titanium 0.45 <1.0 green

ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

element result ref range color under/over 50%

============================================================

Calcium 580 160-500 yellow over

Magnesium 340 12-50 red over

Sodium 160 12-90 yellow over

Potassium 54 10-40 yellow over

Copper 64 9.0-30 red over

Zinc 160 110-190 white 50%

Manganese 0.46 0.18-0.60 green over

Chromium 0.40 0.23-0.50 green over

Vanadium 0.085 0.025-0.10 green over

Molybdenum 0.045 0.040-0.089 green under

Boron 2.1 0.50-3.5 green over

Iodine 2.1 0.25-1.3 yellow over

Lithium 0.026 0.007-0.023 yellow over

Phosphorus 142 160-250 yellow under

Selenium 0.73 0.95-1.7 yellow under

Strontium 3.3 0.21-2.1 yellow under

Sulfur 51800 45500-53000 green over

Barium 0.81 0.19-1.6 green over

Cobalt 0.029 0.013-0.035 green over

Iron 8.8 6.0-17 white 50%

Germanium 0.041 0.045-0.065 yellow under

Rubidium 0.062 0.008-0.080 green over

Zirconium 0.47 0.060-0.70 green over

> >

> > Hi all and thanks for any help you can offer in advance!! We

> > recieved our son's hair test results today and are open to any

and

> > all oppinions and guidance as to how to proceed. His Dr.,

> > Baptist, has suggested chelation with DMSA 100-200mg every 4

hr.s

> > only while awake, starting Fri. afternoons after school,

continuing

> > untill Sun. at bedtime, collecting urine for analysis all day

> > Sunday, then taking 11 days off and starting again the next Fri.

> > afternoon, etc. Is it safe to skip the every 4 hr. dosing

schedule

> > at night? This seemed like a strange suggestion to me. The Dr.

> > said that it is usually too hard to get kids to drink enough

fluids

> > with the chelator when you dose them around the clock.

> >

> > I should mention that he is 8 and 1/2 and 63 lbs.

> > Thank you again in advance for any guidance you can offer!!!!!

> > Very Sincerely,

> > Marsh

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No, not a good idea to skip the night dose. We've been doing the night dose

for a long time with no problems.

Barb

[ ] DDI hair test results...please help interpret

> Hi all and thanks for any help you can offer in advance!! We

> recieved our son's hair test results today and are open to any and

> all oppinions and guidance as to how to proceed. His Dr.,

> Baptist, has suggested chelation with DMSA 100-200mg every 4 hr.s

> only while awake, starting Fri. afternoons after school, continuing

> untill Sun. at bedtime, collecting urine for analysis all day

> Sunday, then taking 11 days off and starting again the next Fri.

> afternoon, etc. Is it safe to skip the every 4 hr. dosing schedule

> at night? This seemed like a strange suggestion to me. The Dr.

> said that it is usually too hard to get kids to drink enough fluids

> with the chelator when you dose them around the clock.

> Here are his results:

> aluminum:7.9

> antimony:0.025

> arsenic:0.029

> beryllium:<0.01

> bismuth:0.26

> cadmium:0.14

> lead:1.3

> mercury:0.11

> platinum:<0.003

> thallium:<0.001

> thorium:<0.001

> uranium:0.045

> nickel:0.14

> silver:0.15

> tin:0.25

> titanium:0.45

> Other Elements

> calcium:580

> magnesium:340

> sodium:160

> potassium:54

> copper:64

> zinc:160

> manganese:0.46

> chromium:0.40

> vanadium:0.085

> molybdenum:0.045

> boron:2.1

> iodine:2.1

> lithium:0.026

> phosphorus:142

> selenium:0.73

> strontium:3.3

> sulfur:51800

> barium:0.81

> cobalt:0.029

> iron:8.8

> germanium:0.041

> rubidium:0.062

> zirconium:0.47

> I should mention that he is 8 and 1/2 and 63 lbs.

> Thank you again in advance for any guidance you can offer!!!!!

> Very Sincerely,

> Marsh

>

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[Guest guest]

No! Makes it highly likely that the toxic metals will just be redistributed

rather than chelated out. That's also too high a dose unless the individual

weighs 200-400 lbs. Please read the FAQs of this list and consider getting a

different doc or doing chelation on your own without a doc (as many on this list

do).

S S

Is it safe to skip the every 4 hr. dosing schedule <BR>

at night? 

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,

Maybe this has already been mentioned and I missed it, but this dose

sounds very high. According to Andy (1/8-1/2 mg/per pound), to

require a dose this large your child would need to weigh at least 200

pounds. Sorry if I'm repeating what's already been said.

Anita

His Dr.,

> > Baptist, has suggested chelation with DMSA 100-200mg every 4 hr.s

> > only while awake,>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Okay, here are some comments on the hair test (finally).

This test shows TOXIC COPPER LEVELS. This is serious.

Symptoms of copper toxicity are a lot like mercury

poisoning. Suggested actions to reduce the copper level

are to give zinc 3 or 4

times a day (and possibly also a couple other supps

that are more optional). Also limit high copper

foods (nuts, organ meats, maybe something else I've

forgotten?). Also check ALL supplements for copper---

some supps include it. (It is necessary but one can

get too much.) Usually high copper will come down

fairly fast -- like a few months I think. Should

help a lot.

Also, due to the high (red) hair copper you should

use ALA either not at all or sparingly, until the copper

is reduced.

Counting rules:

step 1: elements OVER -- I count 16 -- normal

step 2: elements in red: 2 -- normal

step 3: elements ending in white/green: 12 -- normal, but

" close " .

Caveat: I am VERY tired so it would probably be worth

recounting to check my counting. If my counting is correct,

the test shows normal mineral transport -- with one

result (step 3) that is close to abnormal -- borderline.

This is pretty inconclusive, to me.

You might want to try some mercury chelation to see if

it helps--- I probably would focus on the copper first,

since it is clearly a problem. Maybe that is enough to

focus on to begin with. Or you could try to do the

mercury detox at the same time. But the copper is

the more clear problem. I think I'd want to start with

one thing (the copper) and then depending on how that

goes see about doing more -- I'm not sure how to explain

this exactly, I just can't focus on too much at once,

plus would want some time to see any reactions, get

used to changes, etc.

Oh, and I agree with others' comments that the dose of

DMSA suggested is VERY high, and that every 4 hours does

need to include at night. (DMPS is every 8 hours if you

want to consider that.)

Moria

> > >

> > > Hi all and thanks for any help you can offer in advance!! We

> > > recieved our son's hair test results today and are open to any

> and

> > > all oppinions and guidance as to how to proceed. His Dr.,

>

> > > Baptist, has suggested chelation with DMSA 100-200mg every 4

> hr.s

> > > only while awake, starting Fri. afternoons after school,

> continuing

> > > untill Sun. at bedtime, collecting urine for analysis all day

> > > Sunday, then taking 11 days off and starting again the next

Fri.

> > > afternoon, etc. Is it safe to skip the every 4 hr. dosing

> schedule

> > > at night? This seemed like a strange suggestion to me. The

Dr.

> > > said that it is usually too hard to get kids to drink enough

> fluids

> > > with the chelator when you dose them around the clock.

> > >

> > > I should mention that he is 8 and 1/2 and 63 lbs.

> > > Thank you again in advance for any guidance you can offer!!!!!

> > > Very Sincerely,

> > > Marsh

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Moria, I want to thank you very much for the thorough response and

advice!!!! Please let me know how much zinc I should give at each

dose 3-4 times per day as you suggested. My son is going to be 9 in

Jan. and weighs 63lbs. Is there somewhere I can check for other

supps to include? And just to make sure I'm clear...are you saying

that simply adding zinc 3-4 times per day should lower the toxic

level of copper in his system? I appreciate your help very much.

Peace,

> > > >

> > > > Hi all and thanks for any help you can offer in advance!!

We

> > > > recieved our son's hair test results today and are open to

any

> > and

> > > > all oppinions and guidance as to how to proceed. His Dr.,

> >

> > > > Baptist, has suggested chelation with DMSA 100-200mg every 4

> > hr.s

> > > > only while awake, starting Fri. afternoons after school,

> > continuing

> > > > untill Sun. at bedtime, collecting urine for analysis all

day

> > > > Sunday, then taking 11 days off and starting again the next

> Fri.

> > > > afternoon, etc. Is it safe to skip the every 4 hr. dosing

> > schedule

> > > > at night? This seemed like a strange suggestion to me. The

> Dr.

> > > > said that it is usually too hard to get kids to drink enough

> > fluids

> > > > with the chelator when you dose them around the clock.

> > > >

> > > > I should mention that he is 8 and 1/2 and 63 lbs.

> > > > Thank you again in advance for any guidance you can

offer!!!!!

> > > > Very Sincerely,

> > > > Marsh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello ,

>

> Okay, here are some comments on the hair test (finally).

>

> This test shows TOXIC COPPER LEVELS. This is serious.

> Symptoms of copper toxicity are a lot like mercury

> poisoning. Suggested actions to reduce the copper level

> are to give zinc 3 or 4

> times a day (and possibly also a couple other supps

> that are more optional).

The other supplements include: molybdenum, glycine, taurine,

milk thistle or Thorne TAPS, phosphatidylcholine or lecithin

> Also limit high copper

> foods (nuts, organ meats, maybe something else I've

> forgotten?).

Here's the list from Amalgam Illness:

organ meats such as beef liver or kidney, chicken liver, bone meal,

shellfish, salmon, seafood,nuts (almonds, pecans, walnuts,

pistachios), wheat germ, wheat bran, barley, oats, avocados,

mushrooms, radishes, beets, green leafy vegetables, corn oil and

margarine, yeast, brewer's yeast, garlic, blackstrap molasses, oranges

and many kinds of dried fruits including raisins. Beans and lentils,

especially dried ones are particularly high in copper. Soybeans and

soy products like tofu contain much copper. Many fast food products

such as hamburgers are " extended " with soy protein. " Meatless "

sausages, burgers, bacon, etc. are usually high in copper.

> Also, due to the high (red) hair copper you should

> use ALA either not at all or sparingly, until the copper

> is reduced.

Here's what Hair Test Interpretation says about that:

If hair copper levels are over 75 [which was not true on your test]

then chelation with ALA for other metals [than copper] should be

restricted somewhat. Copper levels of 75-125, average one day on for

every two off chelation. Copper levels over 125, average one day on

for every three off chelation.

I believe when Andy says " chelation " above that he is referring to ALA

chelation and that it's ok to proceed with DMSA or DMPS chelation

regardless of copper level.

You might want to take it easy on ALA until you see if you can get the

copper down, but according to the Hair Test book, it would be ok to

chelate with it regularly, too, given what the hair test showed.

I'd recommend buying both books if you can afford them. They both

have lots of useful info about copper toxicity, especially if other

metal toxicities are suspected. See: www.noamalgam.com.

[Guest guest]

Wonderful info...thank you, !! Yes, I do plan to buy one if

not both books this week...atleast we've found our starting point

(w/the help of so many caring people on this site!)

Peace,

> >

> > Hello ,

> >

> > Okay, here are some comments on the hair test (finally).

> >

> > This test shows TOXIC COPPER LEVELS. This is serious.

> > Symptoms of copper toxicity are a lot like mercury

> > poisoning. Suggested actions to reduce the copper level

> > are to give zinc 3 or 4

> > times a day (and possibly also a couple other supps

> > that are more optional).

>

> The other supplements include: molybdenum, glycine, taurine,

> milk thistle or Thorne TAPS, phosphatidylcholine or lecithin

> > Also limit high copper

> > foods (nuts, organ meats, maybe something else I've

> > forgotten?).

>

> Here's the list from Amalgam Illness:

>

> organ meats such as beef liver or kidney, chicken liver, bone meal,

> shellfish, salmon, seafood,nuts (almonds, pecans, walnuts,

> pistachios), wheat germ, wheat bran, barley, oats, avocados,

> mushrooms, radishes, beets, green leafy vegetables, corn oil and

> margarine, yeast, brewer's yeast, garlic, blackstrap molasses,

oranges

> and many kinds of dried fruits including raisins. Beans and

lentils,

> especially dried ones are particularly high in copper. Soybeans

and

> soy products like tofu contain much copper. Many fast food

products

> such as hamburgers are " extended " with soy protein. " Meatless "

> sausages, burgers, bacon, etc. are usually high in copper.

>

> > Also, due to the high (red) hair copper you should

> > use ALA either not at all or sparingly, until the copper

> > is reduced.

>

> Here's what Hair Test Interpretation says about that:

>

> If hair copper levels are over 75 [which was not true on your test]

> then chelation with ALA for other metals [than copper] should be

> restricted somewhat. Copper levels of 75-125, average one day on

for

> every two off chelation. Copper levels over 125, average one day

on

> for every three off chelation.

>

> I believe when Andy says " chelation " above that he is referring to

ALA

> chelation and that it's ok to proceed with DMSA or DMPS chelation

> regardless of copper level.

>

> You might want to take it easy on ALA until you see if you can get

the

> copper down, but according to the Hair Test book, it would be ok to

> chelate with it regularly, too, given what the hair test showed.

>

> I'd recommend buying both books if you can afford them. They both

> have lots of useful info about copper toxicity, especially if other

> metal toxicities are suspected. See: www.noamalgam.com.

>

>

>