Re: I am so mad at my son!!! HELP!

[Guest guest]

> It's almost as if he has a true addiction, and I just don't know how

to help him.

Processed food is so full of chemicals that I think it really IS a

true addiction. Obviously something biochemical is going on to cause

the explosion in obesity in this country -- it's not like suddenly

half the population lost all self-control, it's the effect of the

chemicals, IMO. I'm all for really good food and sweets too sometimes,

but it's important for everyone's health, not just those on the

spectrum, to keep the food whole and the sweets real.

>Could metal overload cause this??? We are chelating him with ALA.

The sugar craving is likely yeast. We call our son The Junkie when he

gets a yeast flare, because he'd do *anything to get sugar. Anything.

The only solution is to treat it hard, keep chelating when the yeast

is somewhat less bad, and in the meantime keep the junk out of the

house. With n, being sympathetic about how desperate he feels

works better than being punitive about it.

BTW my food rant isn't directed at you, just ranting in general

Nell

[Guest guest]

Diane said:

My oldest son, who is dxd

ADHD/Anxiety & Bipolar Disorder does this ALL of the time.

------

Given the diagnoses you list and the possibility of allergies as well, I

would first assume that the child is " self-medicating " his issues. For

example, I know that I crave caffeine when my allergies bother me. And

brain chemistry is certainly impacted by metal poisoning. So if I were the

parent of this child, I would focus on doing what he needs to get physically

well, doing as much positive nutritional intervention as possible, and

trying to be patient with the process on the assumption that his behavior

should improve some as his health improves.

You might consider putting him on glyconutrients which have an anedcotal

track record for healing nerve damage so I think they would likely help heal

the brain too. And get sea salt from Celtic Sea Salt if you haven't done

that already. I think natural sea salt does something really important to

help put a body back in balance. It may be " just me " because my body purges

salt at an abnormally high rate, but I am really impressed with the effects

of taking sea salt in recent months. (You can put in the bath and get some

into him transdermally if he won't consume it with his food or whatever.)

For your concern about alcoholism, I highly recommend a book called " The

Truth About Addiction and Recovery " .

------

Nell said:

Processed food is so full of chemicals that I think it really IS a

true addiction. Obviously something biochemical is going on to cause

the explosion in obesity in this country -- it's not like suddenly

half the population lost all self-control, it's the effect of the

chemicals, IMO.

---

I am not disputing your point, but would like to add my 2 cents worth:

I have shrunk DRAMATICALLY in recent months (like 2 or 3 dress sizes) with

getting rid of particle board furniture, throwing out anything which smelled

musty, etc. I think SOME folks are not genuinely fat but are, instead,

suffering a kind of edema due to severe, chronic allergic reactions. Most

of my body looks almost " normal " for when I used to be thin but my gut is

still swollen and it is not actual fat: I think my gut is still healing and

I know that the lymphatic system dumps toxins first through the intestines.

So I still am fairly pot-bellied even though I look lots " thinner " for most

of the rest of my body. (and I know it was some kind of swelling rather than

fat because when I would throw out contaminated furniture, my feet would

suddenly swell, then I would have diarhea overnight and my feet would shrink

again and then I looked thinner the next day!)

Second, I would say that one reason for obesity is that a lot of people do

not eat nutritious food. I think when the food is low in nutrients, you

remain " hungry " because you crave actual nutrition. I think obese people

are generally malnourished and some of them eat and eat and eat because they

are still subconsciously trying to get enough nutrients but can't because

they are consuming empty calories.

--

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[Guest guest]

So if I were the

> parent of this child, I would focus on doing what he needs to get

physically

> well, doing as much positive nutritional intervention as possible, and

> trying to be patient with the process on the assumption that his

behavior

> should improve some as his health improves.

Yes, very well said.

> I have shrunk DRAMATICALLY in recent months (like 2 or 3 dress

sizes) with

> getting rid of particle board furniture, throwing out anything which

smelled

> musty, etc.

Interesting! Do you have any idea which made the bigger difference,

the particle board or the mold?

> I think SOME folks are not genuinely fat but are, instead,

> suffering a kind of edema due to severe, chronic allergic reactions.

Sounds reasonable. I had shrinkage like you describe when my Armour

thyroid kicked in -- suddenly all that edema in my hands and face, and

most of what was on my belly, just melted away.

> Second, I would say that one reason for obesity is that a lot of

people do

> not eat nutritious food.

Yes. I know obesity is complicated and has many causes, probably cable

TV is high up there too. I should have been born in 1800.

Nell

[Guest guest]

>>> I have shrunk DRAMATICALLY in recent months (like 2 or 3 dress sizes)

with

>>> getting rid of particle board furniture, throwing out anything which

smelled

>>> musty, etc.

>Interesting! Do you have any idea which made the bigger difference,

>the particle board or the mold?

---

I don't think I can directly answer that question:

I probably should have called the department of health concerning a previous

apartment. The tenants prior to me had 6 kids (8 tenants) in a 2 bedroom

apartment and I think OSHA was called in when they evicted the family

because the place was such a disaster. That apartment is where we developed

the horrendous mold and mildew problem and I was very sick there. Over the

course of last summer, I moved to a new apartment and threw away pretty much

everything I had from that previous apartment. I still have a few important

papers from there (which smell just vile) but I still plan on replacing them

as I have the time and money to get to it all (everything takes so much

time!). So I feel that whatever ...concoction of god-knows-what

contaminants got into my furnishings at that apartment (which should be

condemend, IMO) was a big culprit. But now that I have a diagnosis for my

respiratory problems and I understand how badly I react to so many things, I

plan on not buying more particle board or MDF (much to my surprise, most of

the lovely and expensive furniture from Bombay is MDF and I threw away tons

of stuff from them).

--

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[Guest guest]

I think its the high fructose corn syrup that they lace just everything with

that is responsible for a lot of overeating. Spikes your blood sugar and then

when it drops, you get hungry again. And try finding things without it. I was at

Burger King with my gd the other day (I know blasphemy) and she always gets the

alternative to french fries option, which was applesauce. But it was full of

high fructose corn syrup.

So, we will be going back to the playland at Mcs where they serve apples

coated with....don't tell me :-(

Lots of somebodies need to take these people on who are ruining the health of

our children. You can NOT buy things, but it is pervasive anymore. A person

ought to be able to take their kid out and purchase decent food products.

[ ] Re: I am so mad at my son!!! HELP!

So if I were the

> parent of this child, I would focus on doing what he needs to get

physically

> well, doing as much positive nutritional intervention as possible, and

> trying to be patient with the process on the assumption that his

behavior

> should improve some as his health improves.

Yes, very well said.

> I have shrunk DRAMATICALLY in recent months (like 2 or 3 dress

sizes) with

> getting rid of particle board furniture, throwing out anything which

smelled

> musty, etc.

Interesting! Do you have any idea which made the bigger difference,

the particle board or the mold?

> I think SOME folks are not genuinely fat but are, instead,

> suffering a kind of edema due to severe, chronic allergic reactions.

Sounds reasonable. I had shrinkage like you describe when my Armour

thyroid kicked in -- suddenly all that edema in my hands and face, and

most of what was on my belly, just melted away.

> Second, I would say that one reason for obesity is that a lot of

people do

> not eat nutritious food.

Yes. I know obesity is complicated and has many causes, probably cable

TV is high up there too. I should have been born in 1800.

Nell

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

>A person ought to be able to take their kid out and purchase decent

food products.

It's really hard in the US. I haven't been in Italy since '88 but then

anyway you could get incredible unprocessed fresh deliciousness

anywhere. Here, the only place we go out is for pizza at the non-chain

pizza place, owned by an Italian, where they use no treated flour, no

additives, no junk. But it's the only place in town I trust.

Hmm, maybe I could work this into a reason for moving to Italy.

Nell

[Guest guest]

> A person ought to be able to take their kid out and purchase decent food

products.

This thought makes me smile, because it reminds me of something...

A few days ago, me and my son were reading a book about a kid that was sick with

the flu. After we finished the book, I asked him what was the book about. So he

tells me that the book is about this sick kid. " And do you know why he was so

sick? " My son answers: " Because he ate too many chemicals " ) LOL!!

Poor kid, everywhere we go, he sees things and he wants them. And I always tell

him " Denis, you can't have that.... too many chemicals, you'll get sick " . He

knows his lesson already because he noticed a few times that I was right and he

did get sick.

At school, his teachers told me that quite a few times he refused the snack at

snack-time. Why? He came, he took a look, and he said " It's red. I don't want

it. It will make me sick " )

He is only 7 yo, but I trained him well

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Sue and Diane,

My guess is that if you did a 4x in one day saliva cortisol test on your

night owls, you would find a big night-time spike, indicating the huge

adrenal stress these young people are under. Mercury damages the endocrine

system so much. They sound like they are dealing with low T3, even low T4...

It's possible to order your own labs from www.CanaryClub.org in the event

you don't have access to helpful, open-minded docs.

My night owl is 2e/Aspie and is on Armour thyroid and Isocort for adrenal

support. So am I. There are other parents who are looking into this and

treating and finding it very helpful to their children as well as

themselves.

Happy to help- if I can, let me know...

....

[Guest guest]

Hello Sue,

I am going to be a little unkind here, so please forgive me.

Considering the diagnosis that you describe at the bottom of your post, I am

surprised you have all that garbage in your house.

I can't help but wonder if all of your kids wouldn't benefit from a more

sensible diet.

My recommendation would be to get rid of all that stuff for everyone and

spend LESS money on more traditional and healthy foods like unprocessed

meats, vegetables, etc.

Just my opinion, and you can feel free to dislike me for saying it, but

maybe it needed to be said.

Good luck with your struggle.

Neil

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Subject: [ ] I am so mad at my son!!! HELP!

BlankSue:

I can totally relate to the binging/sneaking of food. My oldest son, who is

dxd ADHD/Anxiety & Bipolar Disorder does this ALL of the time. I was so

surprised to read your post, as JUST LAST NIGHT, my husband and I found 5

POP CANS UNDER OUR COUCH (empty, of course)!!! Along with that, there were

chip crumbs, some candy wrappers, an empty can of frosting, and other such

things. GRRRR!!!!!

I don't know HOW he got a hold of these things, because we started locking

up ALL of our " snack foods " in our laundry room. It just didn't seem fair

that my other kids (and US) should have to go without snacks (we all like

them, but do eat in moderation!!) just because my son has a control problem.

Only my husband and I have the key to the room, and we keep the key with/on

us at all times, so there is no chance of my son FINDING the key when we

aren't home. I think there was one time last week, though, when we were not

home and we forgot to lock the door to the laundry room. We were only out

for an hour or so (my son is almost 14, so he can stay home by himself). He

did a LOT of damage in that hour!!!!!!!!! I just don't understand it. We

give him a snack daily, so that he doesn't feel completely deprived, but it

just isn't enough.

He seems to gravitate towards sugar and caffeine, although he likes pop even

if it doesn't have caffeine in it. This scares me, because his biological

dad (my husband is his step-dad) was/is an alcoholic, his dad's dad was/is

an alcoholic, and it goes right up the family tree. I'm so afraid my son

will have the same trouble, and I'm thinking he is craving the carbs from

the sugar, just as alcoholics crave the carbs from the alcohol. I've even

found juice boxes hidden in the towels in the linen closet. HUH???? I felt

like I was finding an alcoholic's bottle of whiskey or something!!!! Any

advice on how I can help my son would be GREATLY appreciated-----sorry I

can't offer much advice (other than locking up your food as someone else

stated, too). I'm in the same boat in some ways! We DO have consequences

for my son when he does this, because he doesn't have other delays, etc. and

fully understands what he is doing. It just doesn't seem to matter. No

consequence is harsh enough, because he will continue to do the same

behavior over and over. It's almost as if he has a true addiction, and I

just don't know how to help him. Could metal overload cause this??? We are

chelating him with ALA. Thanks . . .

~Diane

Mom to Branden (14) ADHD/Anxiety, and Bipolar Disorder, Austen (7) " typical "

with some autistic type issues, and Aaren (4) ASD--but recovering!

<<As most of you may know, My 17 year old son, has severe nonverbal

autism and adhd. Every night this child gets up and binges on everything

he can

find and open to eat...The more I look at what he eats the more I see the

cravings for Gluten and Casein. Last night he woke up and drank 4 Milk

Chocolate

Milk Shakes, a 1 liter bottle of Coke and 1/2 bag of frozen M & M's. And

then

he gets up and goes thru the garbage to take out the previous days

newspaper

so he can stim on them! HELP!!~ I can't punish him because I don't know

if he

would realize what he was being punished for. I am so tired of this

behavior....I can't afford to try the gfcf diet, it's too huge for me to

do right

now. I can't afford a lockable cabinet. I am just depressed and

distraught over

this behavior. Every morning we wake up to wonder what he took and ate.

One

morning it's a loaf of bread and another it's a 4 pack of chocolate

pudding.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Hope everyone has a wonderful day!

Hugs and Blessings,

Sue

'Wife to: Jim

Mom to:

17 (severe nonverbal autism, developmental delays and adhd )

12 (early onset bipolar disorder, adhd, and possible ODD)

5 (developmental delay and adhd)

na 3 (totally average girl with no disabilities, delays or disorders

so

far Thank God!!)

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[Guest guest]

I have two children not on the spectrum (well not enough to be

diagnosed but they have " issues " ) and I've gone through this, I've

yelled, I've cried, I've locked cabinets, I've tried to ignore it,

I've tried to punish....nothing works.

What does work....Keeping the crud food out of the house. Period. I

simply cannot have it in my home or they eat it.

I had my middle child on Feingold, which would benefit him if he

wouldn't sneak foods at school (I think we're homeschooling next year

now) and my high school age child did Feingold with me and the middle

child last year, so she KNOWS it makes her feel like crap and she

isn't allowed to come home and act up because of it, I gently remind

her that she most likely ate something she shouldn't and send her to

bed to sleep it off.

But, my point is, keep it out of the house. Find treats that are legal

for whatever diet your child is on, buy them, and everything else is

out of the house.

For the cost of a bottle of soda, bags of candy and pudding snacks you

can buy premade GFCF cookies. I thought GFCF was going to be difficult

too, but there are so many premade foods to purchase if you don't have

the time (or like me too afraid) to cook.

Even if you decide not to go GFCF right now, I'd just not buy the

snack and junk foods, buy fruit and veggies, maybe even plain lays

chips for snacks, they aren't the best in the world, but they are

snacky and GFCF.

I don't know if you are on the GFCF Kids list, but there or I'm sure

some of us here would even be able to help you put together a list of

" snack " foods that are GFCF, premade and readily available at the

grocery store.

Good luck!

[Guest guest]

> I had my middle child on Feingold, which would benefit him if he

> wouldn't sneak foods at school (I think we're homeschooling next year

> now)

Don't get me started on school! My kids have been to ow different

schools and it's the same story -- *everything is about food. Parents

bring in crap not just for birthdays but All The Time. I gave n's

teacher a bag of those individually wrapped shortbreads (can't think

of the brand name?) as a substitute.

and my high school age child did Feingold with me and the middle

> child last year, so she KNOWS it makes her feel like crap and she

> isn't allowed to come home and act up because of it, I gently remind

> her that she most likely ate something she shouldn't and send her to

> bed to sleep it off.

That's what I do too. n is starting to eat more crap at birthday

parties than he used to because now he cares about being part of the

group.

Afer a year of being more or less on Feingold along with him, and

having no junk food at all, I was out shopping alone and got a bag of

my old fave, spicy Chex Mix. I was amazed at how chemicall-y it

tasted, and I got a pounding headache -- when I checked the

ingredients there was MSG, food dye, pretty much the whole list of

Feingold targets. A very instructive experience -- and interesting

that when I was eating occasional junk food I had not been able to

tell how bad it was making me feel, it was only after being " clean "

for a long time that the effect was obvious.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, metals can do this. My NT son is also a junk food fiend right now,

even though his health suffers from it. I tell him and tell him . . .

Barb

[ ] I am so mad at my son!!! HELP!

> BlankSue:

>

> I can totally relate to the binging/sneaking of food. My oldest son, who

> is dxd ADHD/Anxiety & Bipolar Disorder does this ALL of the time. I was

> so surprised to read your post, as JUST LAST NIGHT, my husband and I found

> 5 POP CANS UNDER OUR COUCH (empty, of course)!!! Along with that, there

> were chip crumbs, some candy wrappers, an empty can of frosting, and other

> such things. GRRRR!!!!!

>

> I don't know HOW he got a hold of these things, because we started locking

> up ALL of our " snack foods " in our laundry room. It just didn't seem fair

> that my other kids (and US) should have to go without snacks (we all like

> them, but do eat in moderation!!) just because my son has a control

> problem. Only my husband and I have the key to the room, and we keep the

> key with/on us at all times, so there is no chance of my son FINDING the

> key when we aren't home. I think there was one time last week, though,

> when we were not home and we forgot to lock the door to the laundry room.

> We were only out for an hour or so (my son is almost 14, so he can stay

> home by himself). He did a LOT of damage in that hour!!!!!!!!! I just

> don't understand it. We give him a snack daily, so that he doesn't feel

> completely deprived, but it just isn't enough.

>

> He seems to gravitate towards sugar and caffeine, although he likes pop

> even if it doesn't have caffeine in it. This scares me, because his

> biological dad (my husband is his step-dad) was/is an alcoholic, his dad's

> dad was/is an alcoholic, and it goes right up the family tree. I'm so

> afraid my son will have the same trouble, and I'm thinking he is craving

> the carbs from the sugar, just as alcoholics crave the carbs from the

> alcohol. I've even found juice boxes hidden in the towels in the linen

> closet. HUH???? I felt like I was finding an alcoholic's bottle of

> whiskey or something!!!! Any advice on how I can help my son would be

> GREATLY appreciated-----sorry I can't offer much advice (other than

> locking up your food as someone else stated, too). I'm in the same boat

> in some ways! We DO have consequences for my son when he does this,

> because he doesn't have other delays, etc. and fully understands what he

> is doing. It just doesn't seem to matter. No consequence is harsh

> enough, because he will continue to do the same behavior over and over.

> It's almost as if he has a true addiction, and I just don't know how to

> help him. Could metal overload cause this??? We are chelating him with

> ALA. Thanks . . .

>

> ~Diane

> Mom to Branden (14) ADHD/Anxiety, and Bipolar Disorder, Austen (7)

> " typical " with some autistic type issues, and Aaren (4) ASD--but

> recovering!

>

> <<As most of you may know, My 17 year old son, has severe

> nonverbal

> autism and adhd. Every night this child gets up and binges on everything

> he can

> find and open to eat...The more I look at what he eats the more I see the

> cravings for Gluten and Casein. Last night he woke up and drank 4 Milk

> Chocolate

> Milk Shakes, a 1 liter bottle of Coke and 1/2 bag of frozen M & M's. And

> then

> he gets up and goes thru the garbage to take out the previous days

> newspaper

> so he can stim on them! HELP!!~ I can't punish him because I don't know

> if he

> would realize what he was being punished for. I am so tired of this

> behavior....I can't afford to try the gfcf diet, it's too huge for me to

> do right

> now. I can't afford a lockable cabinet. I am just depressed and

> distraught over

> this behavior. Every morning we wake up to wonder what he took and ate.

> One

> morning it's a loaf of bread and another it's a 4 pack of chocolate

> pudding.

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> Hope everyone has a wonderful day!

>

> Hugs and Blessings,

> Sue

> 'Wife to: Jim

> Mom to:

> 17 (severe nonverbal autism, developmental delays and adhd )

> 12 (early onset bipolar disorder, adhd, and possible ODD)

> 5 (developmental delay and adhd)

> na 3 (totally average girl with no disabilities, delays or

> disorders so

> far Thank God!!)

>

>

>

>

>

>

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