Re: ANDY / first hairtest / was A Question for Andy Cutler from a new member

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> > Thanks Andy, that was really helpful. My son, 3.8, 34 lbs, fully

> > vaccinated, didn't meet the counting rules (though he wasn't far

from

> > it and was pretty well supplemented when his original hair test

was

> > done) but he showed very high copper. He has a diagnosis of

> > apraixia, is also hypotonic, etc., and would probably get a PDD

> > diagnosis if I sought one. I have been chelating him with DMSA

and

> > ALA (6 mgs of each) on your schedule (every three hours, three

days

> > on 4 off) for 3 rounds so far and was worried that I should

> > reconsider the ALA, but I think it is important. I have been

giving

> > him 400 mcgs of molybdenum and weight + 20 mgs of zinc. I will

up

> > the molybdenum, but I assume I should keep chelating?

>

> Yes.

>

> You could split the zinc and molybdenum up so as to give them with

> each meal.

We already do this.

>

> > Not really

> > any " wows " , but nice consistent " organic " progress, i.e., we are

not

> > having to " teach " him how to do absolutely everything, as is

often

> > the case with kids who are globally dyspraxic. Otherwise, he is

> > handling things well (we have a bit of work to do on the yeast

> > protocol front, but other than that, I am totally comfortable

with

> > this). I ordered another hair test, which I think came today, to

see

> > if his copper levels have changed since we moved from a " vintage "

> > condo in Chicago to a newer house. Would your advice be to keep

> > going?

>

> Yes, and let us see both hair tests too.

Here are the results from the first hair test:

My son was pretty well supplemented at the time.....

Toxic Elements

Aluminum 23 < 8 (yellow)

Antimony .035 < .066 (green)

Arsenic .035 < .08 (green)

Berullium <.01 <.02

Bismuth .23 < .13 (yellow)

Cadmium .059 < .15 (green)

Lead .77 <1.0 (green)

Mercury <.03 <.4

Platinum <.003 < .005

Thallium .001 < .01

Thorium < .001 < .005

Uranium .11 < .06 (yellow)

Nickel .09 < .4 (green)

Silver .16 < .2 (green)

Tin .19 <.3 (green)

Titanium 52 < 1.0 (red)

Essential and Other Elements

Calcium 208 (rr 125-370) (white)

Magnesium 25 (rr 12-30) (green - over)

Sodium 11 (rr 12-90) (yellow - under)

Potassium 18 (rr 12-40) (green - under)

Copper 36 (rr 8-16) (red - over)

Zinc 130 (rr 100-190) (white)

Manganese .1 (rr .20-.55) (red - under)

Chromium .3 (rr .26-.5) (green - under)

Vanadium .028 (rr.03-.1) (yellow - under)

Molybdenum .12 (rr .05-.13) (green - over)

Boron .6 (rr .6-4.0) (green - under)

Iodine 1.1 (rr .25-1.3) (green - over)

Lithium .004 (rr .007-.023) (red - under)

Phosphorus 209 (rr 160-250) (green - over)

Selenium 1.2 (rr .95-1.7) (white)

Strontium .33 (rr.16-1.0) (white)

Sulfur 52100 (rr 45500-5300) (green - over)

Barium .55 (rr .16-.8) (green - over)

Cobalt .010 (rr .013-.035) (yellow - under)

Iron 9.6 (rr 8.0-19) (green - under)

Germanium .054 (rr .045-.065) (maybe green - under, maybe white)

Rubidium .027 (rr .016-.18) (green - under)

Zirconium .62 (rr .04-1.0) (green - over)

I'll post the results from the second test when I have them, and

repost these at the same time for ease of analysis. Thanks.

Anne

> >

> > Thanks again.

> >

> > Anne

>

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> Here are the results from the first hair test:

>

> My son was pretty well supplemented at the time.....

Which should make it look more normal.

>

> Toxic Elements

> Mercury <.03 <.4

> Titanium 52 < 1.0 (red)

>

> Essential and Other Elements

> Copper 36 (rr 8-16) (red - over)

> Manganese .1 (rr .20-.55) (red - under)

> Lithium .004 (rr .007-.023) (red - under)

Looks suspicious to me, espeically with also the Co a bit low - Mn Co

Li red low is the most common derangement seen. Ti tends to go high

and Hg itself be pretty low when mineral transport is deranged.

> Cobalt .010 (rr .013-.035) (yellow - under)

So while not meeting the counting rules it isn't very normal, and it

does have the look and feel of Hg problems.

BTW, the idea of unusual, suspicious, " look and feel, " etc. is

discussed in some detail in my book Hair Test Interpretation: Finding

Hidden Toxicities

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

so that you don't have some absurd yes/no response of either poisoned

(meets counting rules) or nothing wrong (doesn't meet them).

Andy

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> > Here are the results from the first hair test:

> >

> > My son was pretty well supplemented at the time.....

>

> Which should make it look more normal.

> >

> > Toxic Elements

> > Mercury <.03 <.4

> > Titanium 52 < 1.0 (red)

> >

> > Essential and Other Elements

> > Copper 36 (rr 8-16) (red - over)

> > Manganese .1 (rr .20-.55) (red - under)

> > Lithium .004 (rr .007-.023) (red - under)

>

> Looks suspicious to me, espeically with also the Co a bit low - Mn

Co

> Li red low is the most common derangement seen. Ti tends to go high

> and Hg itself be pretty low when mineral transport is deranged.

>

> > Cobalt .010 (rr .013-.035) (yellow - under)

>

> So while not meeting the counting rules it isn't very normal, and it

> does have the look and feel of Hg problems.

>

Which is why I am chelating him.

> BTW, the idea of unusual, suspicious, " look and feel, " etc. is

> discussed in some detail in my book Hair Test Interpretation:

Finding

> Hidden Toxicities

>

> www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

>

> so that you don't have some absurd yes/no response of either

poisoned

> (meets counting rules) or nothing wrong (doesn't meet them).

>

I have both of your books. I was really primarily confused about the

copper. I assume you think it is fine to take him low and slow with

zinc (body weight +30mgs) and molybdenum (1000-2000 mcgs) divided

into three doses?

I will post his new hair tests when I get them.

Thanks for your help.

> Andy

>

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> > > Essential and Other Elements

> > > Copper 36 (rr 8-16) (red - over)

> I was really primarily confused about the

> copper. I assume you think it is fine to take him low and slow with

> zinc (body weight +30mgs) and molybdenum (1000-2000 mcgs) divided

> into three doses?

Yes.

Andy . . .

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Toxic Elements<BR>

<BR>

Aluminum 23 < 8 (yellow)<BR>

Bismuth .23 < .13 (yellow)<BR>

Uranium .11 < .06 (yellow)<BR>

Titanium 52 < 1.0 (red)<BR>

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Hi ,

I think so. I have ordered a new test so I can retest him to be

sure. The titanium was probably largely California Baby sunscreen.

Aluminum, Uranium, Bismuth, not sure (water?)? I don't and never

have worn makeup. Once we got the hair test we switched to reverse

osmosis drinking water and a filter on the shower. Oh yeah, and we

moved out of Chicago. I am hoping these are under control, but if

you have any other suggestions, bring 'em on!

Anne

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> Toxic Elements<BR>

> <BR>

> Aluminum 23 < 8 (yellow)<BR>

> Bismuth .23 < .13 (yellow)<BR>

> Uranium .11 < .06 (yellow)<BR>

> Titanium 52 < 1.0 (red)<BR>

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How do you know how long to continue these copper-lowering measures (ie

zinc, molybdenum, etc.)? Do you go by hair tests, symptoms, or is there a

rough amount of time that it usually takes?

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Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:47:04 -0000

From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@...>

Subject: Re: ANDY / first hairtest / was A Question for Andy Cutler from a

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> > > Essential and Other Elements

> > > Copper 36 (rr 8-16) (red - over)

> I was really primarily confused about the

> copper. I assume you think it is fine to take him low and slow with

> zinc (body weight +30mgs) and molybdenum (1000-2000 mcgs) divided

> into three doses?

Yes.

Andy . . .

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We saw results on the DDI hair test after 3.5 months of

supplementing with zinc/molybdenum. Same positive results were seen

in the blood tests (zinc up/copper down). Honestly, I didn't notice

any behavioral changes in Ian.

I continue to use zinc/molybdenum daily. We are getting another

hair test at the end of November (we get them about every 4

months). If the values are even better, I might stop being so

vigilant for awhile. We are also chelating, which hopefully can

help repair this imbalance further.

I hope that helps.

Pam

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>

> How do you know how long to continue these copper-lowering

measures (ie

> zinc, molybdenum, etc.)? Do you go by hair tests, symptoms, or is

there a

> rough amount of time that it usually takes?

>

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> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:47:04 -0000

> From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@a...>

> Subject: Re: ANDY / first hairtest / was A Question for Andy

Cutler from a

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> > > > Essential and Other Elements

> > > > Copper 36 (rr 8-16) (red - over)

> > I was really primarily confused about the

> > copper. I assume you think it is fine to take him low and slow

with

> > zinc (body weight +30mgs) and molybdenum (1000-2000 mcgs)

divided

> > into three doses?

>

> Yes.

>

> Andy . . .

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It takes 1 to a few months to get ot normal healthy copper levels,

then typically the intervention is either lifelong to maintain that,

or long term until whatever is wrong with the liver gets better.

Andy ,. . . . .

> How do you know how long to continue these copper-lowering

measures (ie

> zinc, molybdenum, etc.)? Do you go by hair tests, symptoms, or is

there a

> rough amount of time that it usually takes?

>

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> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:47:04 -0000

> From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@a...>

> Subject: Re: ANDY / first hairtest / was A Question for Andy Cutler

from a

> new member

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> > > > Essential and Other Elements

> > > > Copper 36 (rr 8-16) (red - over)

> > I was really primarily confused about the

> > copper. I assume you think it is fine to take him low and slow with

> > zinc (body weight +30mgs) and molybdenum (1000-2000 mcgs) divided

> > into three doses?

>

> Yes.

>

> Andy . . .

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> We saw results on the DDI hair test after 3.5 months of

> supplementing with zinc/molybdenum. Same positive results were seen

> in the blood tests (zinc up/copper down). Honestly, I didn't notice

> any behavioral changes in Ian.

Hi Pam,

Great to hear and know this. I started supplementing for myself and

my daughter at the same time. (Both of us have very high copper.) I

felt MUCH better, but I have not noticed any change in my daughter,

except for the 1st week or so she was somewhat more emotional. I

think I was too impatient and tested hair again after 2 months. Our

values went UP! Maybe 4 months will show reduction.