Re: every other day dosing

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In a message dated 24/01/2006 07:44:29 GMT Standard Time,

beckeric@... writes:

But is there a reason why it can't be done every other day? Do you need to

give chelators for at least 2 days straight for effectiveness?? Or do you

need more time off to avoid side effects??

YOu need a minimum of 64-72 hours per AC then as many days off as you were

on and then start again

Mandi in UK

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You answered your own question...3 days on (least 2.6 days), 4 days off

every 4 hrs. Pulls metals effectively and then gives the body a chance to

recoup...deal with yeast , constipation, mineral depletion & not over burden

the liver. (Be sure to supplement w/ zinc & minerals and use milk thistle

for liver support)

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Also look in the files here for supplements & recommended supplements for

chelation.

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[ ] every other day dosing

> I recently consulted with a Dr. who recc's 8-hr DMSA dosing every other

> day.

>

> I understand why waiting 8 hrs in between doses is a bad idea (we'll

> be doing every 4)

>

> But is there a reason why it can't be done every other day? Do you

> need to give chelators for at least 2 days straight for effectiveness??

> Or do you need more time off to avoid side effects??

>

> thanks for your help,, Becky

>

>

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> I recently consulted with a Dr. who recc's 8-hr DMSA dosing

every other day.

>

> I understand why waiting 8 hrs in between doses is a bad idea

(we'll be doing every 4)

>

> But is there a reason why it can't be done every other day?

Do you need to give chelators for at least 2 days straight for

effectiveness?? Or do you need more time off to avoid side effects??

>

> thanks for your help,, Becky

>

Hi Becky,

You need to use frequent doses for three days.

The reason for this is actually the same reason as the

frequent dosing, although this may seem a bit confusing.

When you give a " last dose " -- one that is not followed by

another one within 4 hrs (for DMSA) -- these is some

mercury redistribution.

In other words, if you were doing one dose every other

day (which you are not), then there would be some

redistribution on EVERY dose.

If you did every 4 hours for ONE DAY, and let's assume

you mean daytime (usually we are all working overtime to

figure out a way to avoid night doses) -- then you would

have, oh, maybe 4 doses in that one day?? Okay, let's say

4 doses --- so then, you have some redistribution on

ONE FOURTH (1/4) of the doses.

As it turns out, this is still not good enough.

If you go for 3 days (including nights, of course), this is

more like 16 or 18 doses. So, now there is redistribution

on only 1 in 16 or 1 in 18 doses.

I hope this is making some sense.

BTW, I don't think the way I'm listing it as a PERCENTAGE

of doses is necessarily totally clear. It is " close enough "

to make the point I'm trying to explain, I think, but the

amount of TIME may be more technically accurate than the

number of doses, as a measure.

good wishes,

Moria

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> But is there a reason why it can't be done every other day? Do you need

to give chelators for at least 2 days straight for effectiveness?? Or do you

need more time off to avoid side effects??

Redistribution.

Chelators cause mercury and other metals to be " stirred up " . They come out of

cells/organs and if the blood levels of chelators fall, if there is not enough

chelator to " catch " these metals, they will

go to organs like liver and brain (they have high affinity for mercury) and so

with every last dose, once your blood levels of chelator start going down,

redistribution happens.

At least this is how I understand it.

This is why longer rounds of chelation are better than shorter ones. They

maintain constant blood levels of chelators, so it allows for more excretion and

less redistribution.

When you start a new chelation round you need a few doses of chelator (so - many

hours) just to create a constant level of chelator in your blood.

Valentina

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The Bihari's(Mr. & Mrs.) have been on it around 30 years with no breaks and

their liver enzymes come back normal.

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> > did you ever check your liver.i guess that is the reason that ldn

> stays too long.alpha lipoic acid,selenium and sylmarin might help to

> improve the functioning of the liver

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liver enzymes is not the only test for the functioning of the liver.

important is phase 1 and phase 2 detoxification test.this is a special test that

regular doctors do not use.

a simple test is how you react to a glass of red wine or coffee and how fast

you urinate red colour when you ate red beet.

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> > > did you ever check your liver.i guess that is the reason that ldn

> > stays too long.alpha lipoic acid,selenium and sylmarin might help to

> > improve the functioning of the liver

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> liver enzymes is not the only test for the functioning of the liver.

> important is phase 1 and phase 2 detoxification test.this is a special

test that regular doctors do not use.

> a simple test is how you react to a glass of red wine or coffee and

how fast you urinate red colour when you ate red beet.

>

>

Zahavi, can you say more about " a simple test is how you react to a

glass of red wine or coffee and how fast you urinate red colour when you

ate red beet. " Can you refer me to a website that explains this in

detail?

Thanks!

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Hmmm, I never urinated red after eating beets, only when I was passing a kidney stone; that was blood!

 

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:06 AM, zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:

liver enzymes is not the only test for the functioning of the liver.important is phase 1 and phase 2 detoxification test.this is a special test that regular doctors do not use.

 a simple test is how you react to a glass of red wine or coffee and how fast you urinate red colour when you ate red beet.

 

[Guest guest]

What? My liver is fine. I never heard of peeing red after eating beets. Has anyone?

 

Zhavi, do you have a link to explain this to me?

 

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:27 AM, zahavi <zahavi100@...> wrote:

try then to treat your liver.>> > liver enzymes is not the only test for the functioning of the liver.> > important is phase 1 and phase 2 detoxification test.this is a special test

> > that regular doctors do not use.> >  a simple test is how you react to a glass of red wine or coffee and how> > fast you urinate red colour when you ate red beet.> >> >

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I have heard that if your urine is red after eating beets that is an indication of iron deficiency. I had it, took iron for a couple weeks and then it stopped.

Odd, huh?

try then to treat your liver.>> > liver enzymes is not the only test for the functioning of the liver.> > important is phase 1 and phase 2 detoxification test.this is a special test> > that regular doctors do not use.> > a simple test is how you react to a glass of red wine or coffee and how> > fast you urinate red colour when you ate red beet.> >> >>