Re: Andy--Can you comment? Or others with experience. HELP

[Guest guest]

I know that there is info in the archives BUT I fear that our doc will

not take the time to browse through it all but I am needing to answer

questions for him. If someone could give a brief explaination of the

following to entice him into further research that would be very

helpful. Don't get me wrong, he's a great guy but I feel like there's

more to know than meets the eye...I'm sure we all feel that way, huh?

1. Why is the hair analysis better than a urine challenge with DMPS?

2. Explain the counting rule.

3. What's the best scheduling with ALA (and your personal success

with/without DMAS/DMPS, etc).

4. How are you testing to ensure the ALA & others are working?

5. Protocol for yeast die-off related to chelation.

FORGIVE ME! I know this is rehashing and, frankly, I'm questioning my

knowledge because it's so important to get my thoughts across to him.

I know we're seeing success and I have not yet done the hair analysis

though I have the kit. His nurse made it clear that he would not use

the hair analysis as a basis for therapy...but why would he use the

urine challenge with one dose of DMPS? I think I can get him to

reconcider if I give him sound information.

[Guest guest]

>

> I know that there is info in the archives BUT I fear that our doc will

> not take the time to browse through it all but I am needing to answer

> questions for him. If someone could give a brief explaination of the

> following to entice him into further research that would be very

> helpful. Don't get me wrong, he's a great guy but I feel like there's

> more to know than meets the eye...I'm sure we all feel that way, huh?

I encourage YOU to take the time to browse the archives and arm yourself with as

much

info as possible to protect your child from harmful protocols. Take charge!

You can search the archives here at A-M using the search engine Onibasu. This

is a very

valuable tool. http://onibasu.com/

More info here at Moria's site, which will answer many of your questions.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

More info on hair tests, getting the right one, the counting rules, and how to

interpret a

DDI hair test.

http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

Challenge tests are not necessary and can be very dangerous. Also, search the

archives

and read Moria's site.

http://www.dmpsbackfire.com/default.shtml

in Illinois

>

> 1. Why is the hair analysis better than a urine challenge with DMPS?

> 2. Explain the counting rule.

> 3. What's the best scheduling with ALA (and your personal success

> with/without DMAS/DMPS, etc).

> 4. How are you testing to ensure the ALA & others are working?

> 5. Protocol for yeast die-off related to chelation.

>

> FORGIVE ME! I know this is rehashing and, frankly, I'm questioning my

> knowledge because it's so important to get my thoughts across to him.

> I know we're seeing success and I have not yet done the hair analysis

> though I have the kit. His nurse made it clear that he would not use

> the hair analysis as a basis for therapy...but why would he use the

> urine challenge with one dose of DMPS? I think I can get him to

> reconcider if I give him sound information.

>

[Guest guest]

I have taken charge on so many occassion that I'm exhausted so I'm

just reaching out for help on this one. Thanks for the

links...again, I can do an abridge version but I'm wanting back up

from those that feel they have a handle on it.

> >

> > I know that there is info in the archives BUT I fear that our doc will

> > not take the time to browse through it all but I am needing to answer

> > questions for him. If someone could give a brief explaination of the

> > following to entice him into further research that would be very

> > helpful. Don't get me wrong, he's a great guy but I feel like there's

> > more to know than meets the eye...I'm sure we all feel that way, huh?

>

> I encourage YOU to take the time to browse the archives and arm

yourself with as much

> info as possible to protect your child from harmful protocols. Take

charge!

>

> You can search the archives here at A-M using the search engine

Onibasu. This is a very

> valuable tool. http://onibasu.com/

>

> More info here at Moria's site, which will answer many of your

questions.

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

>

> More info on hair tests, getting the right one, the counting rules,

and how to interpret a

> DDI hair test.

> http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

>

> Challenge tests are not necessary and can be very dangerous. Also,

search the archives

> and read Moria's site.

> http://www.dmpsbackfire.com/default.shtml

>

> in Illinois

>

> >

> > 1. Why is the hair analysis better than a urine challenge with DMPS?

> > 2. Explain the counting rule.

> > 3. What's the best scheduling with ALA (and your personal success

> > with/without DMAS/DMPS, etc).

> > 4. How are you testing to ensure the ALA & others are working?

> > 5. Protocol for yeast die-off related to chelation.

> >

> > FORGIVE ME! I know this is rehashing and, frankly, I'm questioning my

> > knowledge because it's so important to get my thoughts across to him.

> > I know we're seeing success and I have not yet done the hair analysis

> > though I have the kit. His nurse made it clear that he would not use

> > the hair analysis as a basis for therapy...but why would he use the

> > urine challenge with one dose of DMPS? I think I can get him to

> > reconcider if I give him sound information.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ~

I've really liked what I've seen with the OofOregano and No Phenol. I

had posted we had head dragging on the floor and that seems to really

be knocking it out. He's on an SSRI so I've avoided the GSE due to

Dana's comments on liver metabolism. I think if there is a way of

using the hair analysis we should use it. And a 3 to 4 month look

seems reasonable. I have been stunned by the response to ALA and I,

too, do not think the DMSA is the way to go with my son though, in

retrospect, I was not well versed and may have been seeing a

yeast/redistribution issue when we had done it at age 4. LOL. Thanks

again.

>

> I am not the best to answer this but if he won't even consider using

the hair analysis then see if he will allow testing after a round or

two of good protocol chelation. Many have found lots of metals in the

urine (DMSA) and stool (ALA) after doing a few rounds. Maybe...choke,

choke...meet him halfway!

>

> From what I understand, hair analysis is better because it gives

an overall picture of what is happening. You know that over the last

couple months _____ has happened and these minerals/vitamins are

low/high. Challenge tests are unreliable because metals don't always

want to come out and it takes more than one dose to see anything. My

son tested very normal on his DMSA challenge yet was toxic on his hair

test and is responding wonderfully to chelation. Yes, I did the test

before I knew what I was doing... That and challenge tests themselves

are dangerous. They get a lot of metals moving but do not ensure they

leave the body. It takes time for this to happen. Hair tests are

harder to read and there is some subjectiveness to it...kids who don't

quite meet counting rules are still encouraged to chelate because

their bodies maybe hiding the metals better...stuff like that. Still

a great tool especially when you get more done as chelation is going on.

>

> Dosing is based on the half life of the chelator. You want to

keep a level amount in the body to keep the metals moving and leaving

the body. This limits redistribution a great deal. Like someone else

said though, you always have redistribution. BUT by dosing on Andy's

schedule this is greatly reduced. If you chelate for three days (72

hours) if you are dosing every 3 hours you are giving up to 24 doses

with only 1 redistribution. This to me sounds much healthier.

>

> I am using mostly just ALA right now. I am not sure my son really

tolerates the DMSA. It has been amazing for us. Every round we do

brings our son more and more out of autism. He is talking more and

more. He understands his world more as well and is coping better in

it. He is more friendly with strangers, plays with his siblings, is

more interactive with other kids...the list goes on. The only

negative side is there is sometimes yeast. My son has never regressed

on the protocol nor has he had any other negative side effect.

>

> Testing can be scientific by analyzing urine if you are using DMSA

and stool if you are using ALA. They will show you what is being

dumped by the body. Others use hair tests every 3/4 months to see

what is coming out. Others rely on visuals. I do a round and I can

see the changes in my child and they are good. That is the best way.

Regression or negative behaviors of any sort shouldn't happen if you

are doing a good protocol. It is very very rare to see someone doing

Andy's protocol that is experiencing such things. Yeast is the only

negative I have seen discussed. The reports of such problems are from

those not using this protocol. I have seen many of those.

>

> Yeast protocol is a personal thing and depends on the child. We

use Candex and No Fenol most, they are gentle and work well for our

son. I have used a couple other things though like GSE and oregano

oil. We have done good at containing yeast.

>

> Hope this helps!

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have taken charge on so many occassion that I'm exhausted so I'm

> just reaching out for help on this one. Thanks for the

> links...again, I can do an abridge version but I'm wanting back up

> from those that feel they have a handle on it.

>

I'm sorry, and I don't mean to imply this isn't sometimes exhausting and

overwhelming!

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I have taken charge on so many occassion that I'm exhausted so I'm

> > just reaching out for help on this one. Thanks for the

> > links...again, I can do an abridge version but I'm wanting back up

> > from those that feel they have a handle on it.

> >

>

> I'm sorry, and I don't mean to imply this isn't sometimes exhausting

and overwhelming!

>

> in Illinois

>

You didn't...it's just that I've had to take charge in the home, at

the school and, obviously, with the doctor (though that is nothing new

for me and many others). I like this group because there is so much

information and, IMHO, a great deal of intelligence. It's definately

a compliment for me to hand over some control and trust those on this

list with their thoughts and opinions. Warm Regards,

[Guest guest]

>

> I have taken charge on so many occassion that I'm exhausted so I'm

> just reaching out for help on this one. Thanks for the

> links...again, I can do an abridge version but I'm wanting back up

> from those that feel they have a handle on it.

>

I'm wondering why you need to invest so much energy in convincing

your doctor. If you can get him to order a few tests that you can't

get otherwise, why else would you need to convince him in order to

help your child. We can get the chelators we need without a doc and

the vast majority of tests, if it comes to that.

I do spend some time sharing information with my ped, not because I

need his help, but because I hope one day he'll help other people's

children with autism. And he will order tests for me because it is

his job to protect my child's health, even if he thinks I'm doing

something stupid. For example, I might feed my kid junk night and

day and make him obese. He might become diabetic and have sky-

rocketing blood pressure. My ped would still have to try to protect

his health even if he disagreed with my decisions. Same with

chelation.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but I do know that our

energy and time are limited. We need to prioritize. If it takes

less effort to order the hair test and chelators and blood tests

yourself than it does to convince the doc to do it for you, that

might be the best route to go. My ped is a lovely, open-minded,

intelligent man. But the only way I'll convince him that what I'm

doing is the right thing to recover my son from autism, is to

recover my son from autism.

Best wishes,

Anita

[Guest guest]

My ped is a lovely, open-minded,

> intelligent man. But the only way I'll convince him that what I'm

> doing is the right thing to recover my son from autism, is to

> recover my son from autism.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Anita You are exactly right that I don't need him. I'm going to

give that some serious thought. Best of luck. He's not a Ped, btw,

but an 'autism specialist.'

[Guest guest]

Sometimes I think an open-minded Ped is actually a better choice, if

you're lucky enough to find one. Possibly a little more willing to

say " I don't know " than an 'autism specialist'. We use a local

pediatrician to monitor our son's progress. So far, so good.

take care

René

>

> My ped is a lovely, open-minded,

> > intelligent man. But the only way I'll convince him that what I'm

> > doing is the right thing to recover my son from autism, is to

> > recover my son from autism.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Anita You are exactly right that I don't need him. I'm going to

> give that some serious thought. Best of luck. He's not a Ped, btw,

> but an 'autism specialist.'

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Anita You are exactly right that I don't need him. I'm going to

> give that some serious thought. Best of luck. He's not a Ped, btw,

> but an 'autism specialist.'

>

FWIW, we haven't tried to convince our MD either. We did go in and see her

(family

practioner) and let her know what we were about to do (chelate) and ask for her

help in

advance (ordering tests) should we need it.

Good luck,

in Illinois