Re: Hi I'm new and have questions...

[Guest guest]

Hi Krissy!

>

> Hi my name is Krissy and I have a 4 yo ASD son who is very high

> functioning. He currently has ABA and a wonderful kindergarten type

> program. I have had him on a special diet and lot of supplements for

> several months now. My husband has just gotten a new job and we are

> not covered by any insurance right now and I'm spending all the

> money I can afford and then some on Supplements and special foods.

> Long story short I don't feel I have any money to spend on a doctor

> or testing right now. But I am dying to try chelation, after 2

> months we will have great health insurance and I feel I can do all

> the important testing then. I have purchased ALA and DMSA (oral) and

> started using them 2.5 days ago. I was planning on 3 days on 11 days

> off. I want to do this safely and I'm really impatient about waiting

> I feel like I should have started this a year ago!! I am interested

> in using both for chelation because of the concern that DMSA doesn't

> cross the blood brain barrier and because they question how well ALA

> excretes the mercury pulled from the brain. Since my son started 2

> days ago he is very hyper and non-attentive, very unusual for him.

> Please advice me on what your opinions are on using both together

> and a safe dosing schedule.

>

It might help to tell us how much your son weighs and what dose you

have been using.

For me, I found that if the dose was too high I would get side

effects. When I lowered the dose for the next round I would not get

side effects. The optimum dose seems to be a very individual thing.

I have also noticed that many people try DMSA alone first for some

rounds to find the right dose before adding ALA.

If you haven't found it yet here is a link to Andy's dosing schedule:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

> PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this without

> a doctor.

I hear you!

All the best.

>It is the response I've gotten on other boards

>

> Thanks,

> Krissy

>

[Guest guest]

Are you giving him all his supplements and lots of water? Also, is the dose

low enough? You want to go " low and slow. "

Barb

(whose son has now completed 92 rounds--an adult!)

[ ] Hi I'm new and have questions...

> Hi my name is Krissy and I have a 4 yo ASD son who is very high

> functioning. He currently has ABA and a wonderful kindergarten type

> program. I have had him on a special diet and lot of supplements for

> several months now. My husband has just gotten a new job and we are

> not covered by any insurance right now and I'm spending all the

> money I can afford and then some on Supplements and special foods.

> Long story short I don't feel I have any money to spend on a doctor

> or testing right now. But I am dying to try chelation, after 2

> months we will have great health insurance and I feel I can do all

> the important testing then. I have purchased ALA and DMSA (oral) and

> started using them 2.5 days ago. I was planning on 3 days on 11 days

> off. I want to do this safely and I'm really impatient about waiting

> I feel like I should have started this a year ago!! I am interested

> in using both for chelation because of the concern that DMSA doesn't

> cross the blood brain barrier and because they question how well ALA

> excretes the mercury pulled from the brain. Since my son started 2

> days ago he is very hyper and non-attentive, very unusual for him.

> Please advice me on what your opinions are on using both together

> and a safe dosing schedule.

>

> PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this without

> a doctor. It is the response I've gotten on other boards

>

> Thanks,

> Krissy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Krissy,

Welcome to the list !

You won't recieve and " bashing " for going it alone on this list.

Many people here are doing this with minimal help whenever possible

because of the high cost of tests, appointments, supplements, etc.

I suggest you get familiar with the Files section on the left.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

This is a link to one of the key files, Andy's Dosing Schedule by

Moria.

We also have a very high functioning boy 4.5 and I would not even

want to think about setting him back by using the wrong " protocol "

(wrong dose or wrong timing).

Most people on this list advocate the " low and slow " approach as per

Hall Cutler who has a couple of very good books on the subject

and also contributes to this list on occasion.

It would be helpful if you posted exactly what you are giving your

son and how often you are giving it. This way the people on this

list can give you more specific responses.

Regards,

Neil

>

> Are you giving him all his supplements and lots of water? Also, is

the dose

> low enough? You want to go " low and slow. "

>

> Barb

> (whose son has now completed 92 rounds--an adult!)

> [ ] Hi I'm new and have questions...

>

>

> > Hi my name is Krissy and I have a 4 yo ASD son who is very high

> > functioning. He currently has ABA and a wonderful kindergarten

type

> > program. I have had him on a special diet and lot of supplements

for

> > several months now. My husband has just gotten a new job and we

are

> > not covered by any insurance right now and I'm spending all the

> > money I can afford and then some on Supplements and special foods.

> > Long story short I don't feel I have any money to spend on a

doctor

> > or testing right now. But I am dying to try chelation, after 2

> > months we will have great health insurance and I feel I can do all

> > the important testing then. I have purchased ALA and DMSA (oral)

and

> > started using them 2.5 days ago. I was planning on 3 days on 11

days

> > off. I want to do this safely and I'm really impatient about

waiting

> > I feel like I should have started this a year ago!! I am

interested

> > in using both for chelation because of the concern that DMSA

doesn't

> > cross the blood brain barrier and because they question how well

ALA

> > excretes the mercury pulled from the brain. Since my son started 2

> > days ago he is very hyper and non-attentive, very unusual for him.

> > Please advice me on what your opinions are on using both together

> > and a safe dosing schedule.

> >

> > PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> > should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this

without

> > a doctor. It is the response I've gotten on other boards

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Krissy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> It might help to tell us how much your son weighs and what dose you

> have been using.

>

That is what I was thinking, I am curious about the dossage amount

and the timing. Are you giving him an appropriately low dose every 3

hours? Specially the first few rounds, when more mercury and lead are

mobilized, it is best to start with low doses. Another thing that may

be causing the unrest is yeast, that DMSA and ALA seem to encourage.

Talking about encouragement, I don't think you need a doctor to do

this if you follow the right protocol. In fact, just cheack the other

boards carefully and see how many kids with doctors do not improve

and get worse and worse. Like my son who on Buttar protocol got

seriously mercury poisoned, the whole 9.

In fact, having a doctor may be the one risk factor for autism! We do

have one who prescribes us what we need, he knows we are on AC's

protocol, he is an angel, althought him, personally, uses other

protocols we think are dubious. Actually, on low frequest dossage the

risk of complications is really low, not impossible, but very low,

while the risk of getting worse following a DAN doctor is higher,

even though the DAN are really devoted to help, what they do is only

working for a few individuals.

One thing you will need about 2 months from now is a simple blood

test to check your son's neutrophiles to make sure they are fine.

Have you read the FAQ on the front page?

Good luck,

Raquel

> For me, I found that if the dose was too high I would get side

> effects. When I lowered the dose for the next round I would not get

> side effects. The optimum dose seems to be a very individual

thing.

> I have also noticed that many people try DMSA alone first for some

> rounds to find the right dose before adding ALA.

>

> If you haven't found it yet here is a link to Andy's dosing

schedule:

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

>

>

>

> > PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> > should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this

without

> > a doctor.

>

>

>

> I hear you!

>

> All the best.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >It is the response I've gotten on other boards

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Krissy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Yes I am supplementing with Nu Thera with PSP from Kirkland, DMG, CLO, Vit C, TD

Zinc, TD Magnesium sulfate, TD Reduced L-Glutathione. I'm thinking maybe he need

more in the mineral dept. with the chelation. He also eats lots of organic whole

milk yogurt. So far as dosing goes I've been doing 100mg every 8 hours. I have

read so many different protocols on this I feel really unsure if this is a good

amount. I would like to get more water into him, but he doesn't like drinking it

much. I'm not sure what to do about that.

Thanks,

Krissy

[ ] Hi I'm new and have questions...

> Hi my name is Krissy and I have a 4 yo ASD son who is very high

> functioning. He currently has ABA and a wonderful kindergarten type

> program. I have had him on a special diet and lot of supplements for

> several months now. My husband has just gotten a new job and we are

> not covered by any insurance right now and I'm spending all the

> money I can afford and then some on Supplements and special foods.

> Long story short I don't feel I have any money to spend on a doctor

> or testing right now. But I am dying to try chelation, after 2

> months we will have great health insurance and I feel I can do all

> the important testing then. I have purchased ALA and DMSA (oral) and

> started using them 2.5 days ago. I was planning on 3 days on 11 days

> off. I want to do this safely and I'm really impatient about waiting

> I feel like I should have started this a year ago!! I am interested

> in using both for chelation because of the concern that DMSA doesn't

> cross the blood brain barrier and because they question how well ALA

> excretes the mercury pulled from the brain. Since my son started 2

> days ago he is very hyper and non-attentive, very unusual for him.

> Please advice me on what your opinions are on using both together

> and a safe dosing schedule.

>

> PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this without

> a doctor. It is the response I've gotten on other boards

>

> Thanks,

> Krissy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Are you giving him fish oil? What about Carn-Aware?

too_much_hg <thecomputershop@...> wrote: Hello Krissy,

Welcome to the list !

You won't recieve and " bashing " for going it alone on this list.

Many people here are doing this with minimal help whenever possible

because of the high cost of tests, appointments, supplements, etc.

I suggest you get familiar with the Files section on the left.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

This is a link to one of the key files, Andy's Dosing Schedule by

Moria.

We also have a very high functioning boy 4.5 and I would not even

want to think about setting him back by using the wrong " protocol "

(wrong dose or wrong timing).

Most people on this list advocate the " low and slow " approach as per

Hall Cutler who has a couple of very good books on the subject

and also contributes to this list on occasion.

It would be helpful if you posted exactly what you are giving your

son and how often you are giving it. This way the people on this

list can give you more specific responses.

Regards,

Neil

>

> Are you giving him all his supplements and lots of water? Also, is

the dose

> low enough? You want to go " low and slow. "

>

> Barb

> (whose son has now completed 92 rounds--an adult!)

> [ ] Hi I'm new and have questions...

>

>

> > Hi my name is Krissy and I have a 4 yo ASD son who is very high

> > functioning. He currently has ABA and a wonderful kindergarten

type

> > program. I have had him on a special diet and lot of supplements

for

> > several months now. My husband has just gotten a new job and we

are

> > not covered by any insurance right now and I'm spending all the

> > money I can afford and then some on Supplements and special foods.

> > Long story short I don't feel I have any money to spend on a

doctor

> > or testing right now. But I am dying to try chelation, after 2

> > months we will have great health insurance and I feel I can do all

> > the important testing then. I have purchased ALA and DMSA (oral)

and

> > started using them 2.5 days ago. I was planning on 3 days on 11

days

> > off. I want to do this safely and I'm really impatient about

waiting

> > I feel like I should have started this a year ago!! I am

interested

> > in using both for chelation because of the concern that DMSA

doesn't

> > cross the blood brain barrier and because they question how well

ALA

> > excretes the mercury pulled from the brain. Since my son started 2

> > days ago he is very hyper and non-attentive, very unusual for him.

> > Please advice me on what your opinions are on using both together

> > and a safe dosing schedule.

> >

> > PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> > should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this

without

> > a doctor. It is the response I've gotten on other boards

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Krissy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

He is on CLO not fish oil. What is Carne-Aware?

-Krissy

[ ] Hi I'm new and have questions...

>

>

> > Hi my name is Krissy and I have a 4 yo ASD son who is very high

> > functioning. He currently has ABA and a wonderful kindergarten

type

> > program. I have had him on a special diet and lot of supplements

for

> > several months now. My husband has just gotten a new job and we

are

> > not covered by any insurance right now and I'm spending all the

> > money I can afford and then some on Supplements and special foods.

> > Long story short I don't feel I have any money to spend on a

doctor

> > or testing right now. But I am dying to try chelation, after 2

> > months we will have great health insurance and I feel I can do all

> > the important testing then. I have purchased ALA and DMSA (oral)

and

> > started using them 2.5 days ago. I was planning on 3 days on 11

days

> > off. I want to do this safely and I'm really impatient about

waiting

> > I feel like I should have started this a year ago!! I am

interested

> > in using both for chelation because of the concern that DMSA

doesn't

> > cross the blood brain barrier and because they question how well

ALA

> > excretes the mercury pulled from the brain. Since my son started 2

> > days ago he is very hyper and non-attentive, very unusual for him.

> > Please advice me on what your opinions are on using both together

> > and a safe dosing schedule.

> >

> > PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> > should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this

without

> > a doctor. It is the response I've gotten on other boards

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Krissy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> Barb,

>

> Yes I am supplementing with Nu Thera with PSP from Kirkland, DMG,

CLO, Vit C, TD Zinc, TD Magnesium sulfate, TD Reduced L-Glutathione.

I'm thinking maybe he need more in the mineral dept. with the

chelation. He also eats lots of organic whole milk yogurt. So far as

dosing goes I've been doing 100mg every 8 hours.

The best thing to do now is to stop and rest for a few days. I think

that 100 mg is too high to start, it is what I use at 140 lb but I

started a lot lower. There is a bigger problem though, it is giving

DMSA every 8 hours. The half life of DMSA is 4 hours. When you start

again give a smaller dose according to weight, something close to 1/8

per lb of child, every 4 hours, or every 3 hours if you are using

ALA. Reduce ALA acordingly. What is happening is that because the

dosage is spaced too much the mercury gets loose and re-attachs

itself to the brain causing redistribution.

It is my personal experience that I feel lousy when I have missed a

dose about 5 to 6 hours after the last dose.

Check this, or moria's links.

Answers to Frequently Asked Questions:

/files/Mercury-Autism%

20FAQ

I have read so many different protocols on this I feel really unsure

if this is a good amount. I would like to get more water into him,

but he doesn't like drinking it much. I'm not sure what to do about

that.

>

> Thanks,

> Krissy

> [ ] Hi I'm new and have questions...

>

>

> > Hi my name is Krissy and I have a 4 yo ASD son who is very high

> > functioning. He currently has ABA and a wonderful kindergarten

type

> > program. I have had him on a special diet and lot of

supplements for

> > several months now. My husband has just gotten a new job and we

are

> > not covered by any insurance right now and I'm spending all the

> > money I can afford and then some on Supplements and special

foods.

> > Long story short I don't feel I have any money to spend on a

doctor

> > or testing right now. But I am dying to try chelation, after 2

> > months we will have great health insurance and I feel I can do

all

> > the important testing then. I have purchased ALA and DMSA

(oral) and

> > started using them 2.5 days ago. I was planning on 3 days on 11

days

> > off. I want to do this safely and I'm really impatient about

waiting

> > I feel like I should have started this a year ago!! I am

interested

> > in using both for chelation because of the concern that DMSA

doesn't

> > cross the blood brain barrier and because they question how

well ALA

> > excretes the mercury pulled from the brain. Since my son

started 2

> > days ago he is very hyper and non-attentive, very unusual for

him.

> > Please advice me on what your opinions are on using both

together

> > and a safe dosing schedule.

> >

> > PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> > should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this

without

> > a doctor. It is the response I've gotten on other boards

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Krissy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

> PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this without

> a doctor. It is the response I've gotten on other boards

LOL you won't get either of those here!

For dosing, start with 1/8 to 1/4 mg per lb. for both DMSA and ALA.

Next few rounds you might want to do one at a time, just so you can

see that he tolerates them.

For timing, DMSA needs to be given every 4 hours, ALA every three

hours (you can do 4 hrs at night). When people use both they usually

stick to a 3 hr schedule to make things easier.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Thanks Nell !! Any advice on giving it through out the night and how many days

on and off?

-Krissy

[ ] Re: Hi I'm new and have questions...

> PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this without

> a doctor. It is the response I've gotten on other boards

LOL you won't get either of those here!

For dosing, start with 1/8 to 1/4 mg per lb. for both DMSA and ALA.

Next few rounds you might want to do one at a time, just so you can

see that he tolerates them.

For timing, DMSA needs to be given every 4 hours, ALA every three

hours (you can do 4 hrs at night). When people use both they usually

stick to a 3 hr schedule to make things easier.

Nell

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

CLO is cod liver oil...cod are fish.

S S

He is on CLO not fish oil. What is Carne-Aware?

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>

> Thanks Nell !! Any advice on giving it through out the night and how

many days on and off?

If he can swallow caps it's easy once you get used to it. I murmur,

" Pill time, open up " and push the cap through his lips. He might turn

away at first but I try again, saying " open up " and then he does. Then

I put a sports bottle of water to his lips, he sucks, and that's that.

The trick is *not to wake him up, but get him used to swallowing in

his sleep.

If he can't swallow caps, someone else can help.

As for days on/off, you have to have a break at least as long as the

number of days on. Theoretically a longer round is better because the

number of unavoidable redistribution at the end of the round are fewer

overall. In n's case 4 days is too long and he gets cranky, so I

pretty much always do 3 on/4 off or 3 on/11 off. Some people get

better results with longer rounds, you can experiment and see.

Nell

[Guest guest]

,

LOL yes I do know CLO is made from cod (fish), but normally fish oil is

considered a different supplement than CLO because of the different levels of D

vitamin. CLO is much higher in D than Fish Oil.

-Krissy

Re: [ ] Re: Hi I'm new and have questions...

CLO is cod liver oil...cod are fish.

S S

He is on CLO not fish oil. What is Carne-Aware?

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Ok so now a really " dumb " question but please bare with me. Why slow and low?

I'm always hearing that. I realize there are risks involved with chelation. Is

it really proven that doing it at a lower dose is better than say higher doses

and longer " on " time. I keep thinking I wish we could just get this done fast

and furiously and then let his body recover from the yeast, mineral depletion

etc that can happen while on chelation.

I realize reading this question may alarm some of you, I'm just trying to fully

understand the why and hows of going about this. I hate that it seems like such

a crap shoot. Just wanting more info rather than just believing the theories

blindy.

Thanks,

Krissy

[ ] Re: Hi I'm new and have questions...

>

> Thanks Nell !! Any advice on giving it through out the night and how

many days on and off?

If he can swallow caps it's easy once you get used to it. I murmur,

" Pill time, open up " and push the cap through his lips. He might turn

away at first but I try again, saying " open up " and then he does. Then

I put a sports bottle of water to his lips, he sucks, and that's that.

The trick is *not to wake him up, but get him used to swallowing in

his sleep.

If he can't swallow caps, someone else can help.

As for days on/off, you have to have a break at least as long as the

number of days on. Theoretically a longer round is better because the

number of unavoidable redistribution at the end of the round are fewer

overall. In n's case 4 days is too long and he gets cranky, so I

pretty much always do 3 on/4 off or 3 on/11 off. Some people get

better results with longer rounds, you can experiment and see.

Nell

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

>

> Ok so now a really " dumb " question but please bare with me. Why slow

and low? I'm always hearing that. I realize there are risks involved

with chelation. Is it really proven that doing it at a lower dose is

better than say higher doses and longer " on " time.

For getting the Hg out, faster and higher doses would be more

efficient. But the side effects would be very bad. For example, if I

take 100 mgs of ALA, it takes me 3 weeks to recover from that. If I

take 50 mgs, I can do another round the next week, so I end up

chelating more *and not suffering the pretty awful effects of a

too-high dose.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Krissy,

Not a dumb question. If you try to remove it too fast you end up pushing many

of the toxins from the body into the brain where it's harder to get it out

later. You also overload the body's detox pathways. It has to do with the

half-life of the chelators.

S S

Ok so now a really " dumb " question but please bare with me. Why slow and low?

I'm always hearing that. I realize there are risks involved with chelation. Is

it really proven that doing it at a lower dose is better than say higher doses

and longer " on " time. I keep thinking I wish we could just get this done fast

and furiously and then let his body recover from the yeast, mineral depletion

etc that can happen while on chelation.

I realize reading this question may alarm some of you, I'm just trying to fully

understand the why and hows of going about this. I hate that it seems like such

a crap shoot. Just wanting more info rather than just believing the theories

blindy.

Thanks,

Krissy

  [ ] Re: Hi I'm new and have questions...

 

  >

  > Thanks Nell !! Any advice on giving it through out the night and how

  many days on and off?

  If he can swallow caps it's easy once you get used to it. I murmur,

  " Pill time, open up " and push the cap through his lips. He might turn

  away at first but I try again, saying " open up " and then he does. Then

  I put a sports bottle of water to his lips, he sucks, and that's that.

  The trick is *not to wake him up, but get him used to swallowing in

  his sleep.

  If he can't swallow caps, someone else can help.

  As for days on/off, you have to have a break at least as long as the

  number of days on. Theoretically a longer round is better because the

  number of unavoidable redistribution at the end of the round are fewer

  overall. In n's case 4 days is too long and he gets cranky, so I

  pretty much always do 3 on/4 off or 3 on/11 off. Some people get

  better results with longer rounds, you can experiment and see.

  Nell

  =======================================================

 

[Guest guest]

What are the side effects that you have to recover from?

Krissy

[ ] Re: Hi I'm new and have questions...

>

> Ok so now a really " dumb " question but please bare with me. Why slow

and low? I'm always hearing that. I realize there are risks involved

with chelation. Is it really proven that doing it at a lower dose is

better than say higher doses and longer " on " time.

For getting the Hg out, faster and higher doses would be more

efficient. But the side effects would be very bad. For example, if I

take 100 mgs of ALA, it takes me 3 weeks to recover from that. If I

take 50 mgs, I can do another round the next week, so I end up

chelating more *and not suffering the pretty awful effects of a

too-high dose.

Nell

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

>

> What are the side effects that you have to recover from?

When I've taken too high a dose, I've had crippling fatigue and panic

attacks. When the dose is right for me, I'm tired the last day and day

after a round, but bounce back after that. Anxiety not a problem.

Other people have other side effects when the dose gets too high, but

bad fatigue is pretty common.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

[ ] Re: Hi I'm new and have questions...

>

> What are the side effects that you have to recover from?

When I've taken too high a dose, I've had crippling fatigue and panic

attacks. When the dose is right for me, I'm tired the last day and day

after a round, but bounce back after that. Anxiety not a problem.

Other people have other side effects when the dose gets too high, but

bad fatigue is pretty common.

Nell

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

> Long story short I don't feel I have any money to spend on a doctor

> or testing right now.

It is likely that your child will show more progress if you do things

yourself, without a doctor.

My son is biomedically recovered, and I have never taken him to see

any doctor after his dx at age 3-1/2. For chelation, I used ALA.

>>Since my son started 2

> days ago he is very hyper and non-attentive, very unusual for him.

Increase your yeast protocol and see if that helps

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> PS I know this sounds defensive, but I don't need advice I why I

> should use only transdermal or why I shouldn't be doing this without

> a doctor. It is the response I've gotten on other boards

Well, my typical response is that you are much better off NOT using a

doctor. I recently vented on another message board about what a very

prominent DAN did to a child I know.

This board should be very informative and good for you. Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Ok so now a really " dumb " question but please bare with me. Why slow

and low? I'm always hearing that. I realize there are risks involved

with chelation. Is it really proven that doing it at a lower dose is

better than say higher doses and longer " on " time. I keep thinking I

wish we could just get this done fast and furiously and then let his

body recover from the yeast, mineral depletion etc that can happen

while on chelation.

Pulling and excreting metals is hard on the body, especially the liver

and kidneys. I am not sure how much metal they can process before

having problems.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> My son is biomedically recovered, and I have never taken him to see

> any doctor after his dx at age 3-1/2. For chelation, I used ALA.

I will clarify this statement in that he is biomedically recovered

except he still needs immune system support, otherwise normal cold

viruses will get into his brain. He no longer needs any other

supplement support tho. I would love to be able to drop all

supplements, like I did before, but if I drop the immune support,

things go bad.

Anyone have any ideas for other immune system support? Removing the

metals and correcting the vitaim/mineral/other nutrient deficiencies

and toxicities still has not been sufficient to correct his immune

system, altho those things did a LOT of other good things.

Dana

[Guest guest]

If you are amenable to something that is not over the counter, you

might look into LDN.

Anne

> > My son is biomedically recovered, and I have never taken him to

see

> > any doctor after his dx at age 3-1/2. For chelation, I used ALA.

>

>

> I will clarify this statement in that he is biomedically recovered

> except he still needs immune system support, otherwise normal cold

> viruses will get into his brain. He no longer needs any other

> supplement support tho. I would love to be able to drop all

> supplements, like I did before, but if I drop the immune support,

> things go bad.

>

> Anyone have any ideas for other immune system support? Removing the

> metals and correcting the vitaim/mineral/other nutrient deficiencies

> and toxicities still has not been sufficient to correct his immune

> system, altho those things did a LOT of other good things.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

I recently vented on another message board about what a very

> prominent DAN did to a child I know.

Would you mind repeating your vent here? I get asked all the time to

recommend DAN docs and it helps to know I'm not crazy for refusing.

Nell

[Guest guest]

> Anyone have any ideas for other immune system support?

You could try ProBoost. I gave the link a few messages ago.

Nell