Re: Re: 4 yr old waking every night

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i know it's though. i will write you separatey tomorrow. hang in there :-)

btm66 <btm66@...> wrote:

Me too. I guess my husband doesn't think I love him anymore. I'm in

one twin bed and my younging is in the other or he's in the bed with

me.

> Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

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[Guest guest]

i have to have my son's hair analyzed for this - it'll be a while still once i

order it and get the results back but will let you know once i know if he was

deficient

thanks for the idea, totally worth looking into...

andrea

Donna <donna.arnold@...> wrote:

I am on another list, and we have been talking about sleep and lack

of calcium.

I think the new study showed thimerosal did something to calcium.

Try giving extra calcium and see if that helps.

Donna

> Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

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[Guest guest]

Melatonin was one of the best supplements we implemented. Calcium/mag helped

with the sleep issues, but melatonin is a great brain antioxidant, as well as an

immune system booster.

I know there is some disagreement amongst experts as to whether to give

Melatonin, but if they don't need it, it won't work.

[ ] Re: 4 yr old waking every night

I am on another list, and we have been talking about sleep and lack

of calcium.

I think the new study showed thimerosal did something to calcium.

Try giving extra calcium and see if that helps.

Donna

> Any of you giving your child melatonin for sleep? Our doctor

> mentioned that at our last visit, but I'm afraid that it will

messup

> his natural melatonin (but then again it seems to be lacking

anyway).

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[Guest guest]

You might want to try milk thistle for liver support and perhaps foot massages

and refer to a reflexology " map " of the foot to figure out what the tender spots

correspond to.

S S

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[Guest guest]

We have this problem to an extent. My 5 yr old wakes up the second

everyone goes to their room and she MUST get in bed with someone. Then sleep

thru the night. For almost 8 days I tried my darnest to wake up and just walk

her back to her room and just say STAY IN YOUR BED THIS IS YOUR BED then

leave she would go to sleep but not for long. She just HAS to have physical

closeness that I havent a clue what to do about, she wont come in my room

unless her brother isnt here. ANd hes getting too old to let little sissy

sleep

with him (hes turning 13 soon) Doesn't matter what room u put her in, she

wakes up and goes looking for a human body to lay with. Tried the melatonin,

didn't help (although it would knock her out in about 15 minutes) even a

1/4 of the tablet! I really am all but given up on getting her to sleep

ALONE.

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Lena

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Thank you so much, Michele, that was a most thorough response! I will try

co-q-10 as soon as I can obtain it. I also wanted to know if there are any

potential interactions with other supplements, and which one would they be? Can

co-q-10 be given while doing a yeast protocol? It sounds like it could...but I

don't really know! Thanks a lot in advance.

Michele <talithamichele@...> wrote: A few generic thoughts (use what

seems good to you, ignore the rest):

We always had " white noise " machines or fans to provide white noise for the

kids. They couldn't sleep without them.

I and others I know cured their insomnia by finding a mold or mildew source

in the bedroom and getting rid of it (or, in the case of musty books,

removing them from the bedroom) and cleaning all the bedding very

thoroughly.

I routinely recommend that people give Co-q-10 in the morning rather than

melatonin at night or, in extreme casese, give Co-Q-10 in the morning and

melatonin at night. Co-q-10 is the co-enzyme for melatonin and wakes the

brain up in the mornin. People are very prone to being deficient in it

because it is made in the body in a complex 17 step process, so lacking

something at any stage can cause a deficiency. If you take co-q-10 in the

morning, about 12 hours later the body will produce more melatonin -- so,

ideally, it should be given about 12 hours or so before the desired

bedtime. However, if you give melatonin in the evening, it does NOT cause

the body to produce more co-q-10. \

My personal experience and the experience of my oldest son is that melatonin

by itself made us too sleepy and we could not fully wake up for 2 or 3 days

after taking it. I regularly take co-q-10 but only successfully took

melatonin for about a month or two when bad withdrawal symptoms from

stopping medication were making it impossible for me to sleep AT ALL for 3

or 4 weeks. During that time, my brain chemistry was so fried that I

desperately needed help to make it go to sleep. Some autistics have similar

issues. But if the child's sleep issues are not real extreme, I think

giving co-q-10 as a first step can more gently help establish a healthy

daily cycle of brain chemicals for the waking and sleeping cycles.

Be forewarned: if there are long-standing sleep issues, when one begins to

sleep properly, there will be very vivid dreams because the mind is

dream-deprived when it is sleep-deprived. (Smokers usually experience the

same thing when they stop smoking.) Some people experience these as

" nightmares " but it is completely normal. To my knowledge, there is no way

to avoid going through this stage. Understanding that vivid dreams are to

be expected can help you cope in case the child does experience them as

nightmares -- you will know it is normal and you may be able to get the

child to understand too.

Good luck,

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

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[Guest guest]

anyone know a b6/mag combo liquid or caplets?

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Lena

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[Guest guest]

Great advice! Will vacuum the pillows tomorrow and put the mattress outside

gonna be rather cool but nice and sunny HOPE that will help The carpet

is barely used as no one really goes in there and its only 2 years old.

But I do vacuum it along with the rest of the house once a week if not

twice. THanks agaiN!

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Lena

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Actually I have and theres sounds other than the fish tank and the air

purifier in there. My room u hear cars and birds and my boy my sons room u

hear cars neighbors dogs cats birds garbage trucks school busses

everything. Its insane that end of the house. But shes a log as long as

someones

beside her

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Lena

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[Guest guest]

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As far as I know, Co-Q-10 should not interfere with a yeast protocol. Give

it with any other fatty supplements you give (like vitamins A or E or fish

oils) or a fatty food and it will absorb better.

Lena,

My oldest slept up against me like I was his mattress or pillow until he was

9 1/2. The battle to get him out of my bed began when he was two years

old. He would sleep part of the night in his bed and then come in my bed as

soon as he knew he could get away with it (he always woke up a few times

during the night, so when he could tell I was in bed, he would come crawl in

bed with me). I was not able to get him out of my bed until we after we had

him on vitamin therapy for several months. He has respiratory problems and

I know that infants benefit from being physically up against mom because the

mature heart and lungs beat out a tempo and the child's immature systems

step to the beat. For kids with heart or lung problems, being physically up

against an older person (older sibling or parent) can be extremely good for

them. Also, if they have trouble staying warm, another human body is the

absolute best means to help them regulate their temperature. There were

probably a few other reasons my son slept with me so long but I was able to

get him out of my bed when his physical condition improved sufficiently.

So hang in there. With age and improved health, this should get better.

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

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[Guest guest]

Lena,

Co-q-10 could help her lungs. I would also be very finicky about cleaning

the bedding, using non-toxic cleaners, etc. My son slept using my arm as

his pillow for many years in part because it kept him from breathing in the

dust mites and so forth in the pillows and other bedding. So, knowing what

I know not, I suggest you try vacuum-packing the pillows in her room and

washing ALL the bedding in one day. These days, I only wash bedding in hot

water using baking powder rather than detergent. If it can't survive being

washed constantly in hot water, it belongs in the trash anyway so I don't

fret if I ruin something. (Of course, I and my son have respiratory

problems which are supposed to be quite deadly, much worse than just

asthma. So I take pretty extreme measures. YMMV.)

You can vacuum pack the pillows in a large black, heavy-duty garbage bag

with a vacuum cleaner that has a hose attachment. Just stick the pillow in

the bag, stick the hose in, close the bag snugly around the hose so that no

air is escaping that way and turn the vacuum on. Wait until the pillow is

flattened. Voila -- allergen-free pillow. Repeat every 3 to 6 months. In

my experience, this works a LOT better than those pillow covers that are

supposed to protect you from the dust mites and such in the pillows.

If you have a new-ish vacuum or you are willing to THOROUGHLY clean the

vacuum, you can also vacuum the mattress. But do not do so if there is any

possibility that vacuuming the mattress will introduce new contaminants to

the bedding. If you are in a very dry climate or have a sun room, you can

sun the mattress once a year to kill the dust mites. I did this every year

when we lived in the desert and it made a HUGE difference.

Good luck.

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

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[Guest guest]

Excuse me for sounding like an idiot:

That should say " knowing what I know NOW " (rather than " knowing what I know

not " , sigh). And I use baking SODA not baking powder -- you know,

bicarbonate.

I have a headache tonight. My apologies for any confusion.

On 3/24/06, Michele <talithamichele@...> wrote:

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> Lena,

> Co-q-10 could help her lungs. I would also be very finicky about cleaning

> the bedding, using non-toxic cleaners, etc. My son slept using my arm as

> his pillow for many years in part because it kept him from breathing in the

> dust mites and so forth in the pillows and other bedding. So, knowing what

> I know not, I suggest you try vacuum-packing the pillows in her room and

> washing ALL the bedding in one day. These days, I only wash bedding in hot

> water using baking powder rather than detergent. If it can't survive being

> washed constantly in hot water, it belongs in the trash anyway so I don't

> fret if I ruin something. (Of course, I and my son have respiratory

> problems which are supposed to be quite deadly, much worse than just

> asthma. So I take pretty extreme measures. YMMV.)

>

> You can vacuum pack the pillows in a large black, heavy-duty garbage bag

> with a vacuum cleaner that has a hose attachment. Just stick the pillow in

> the bag, stick the hose in, close the bag snugly around the hose so that no

> air is escaping that way and turn the vacuum on. Wait until the pillow is

> flattened. Voila -- allergen-free pillow. Repeat every 3 to 6 months. In

> my experience, this works a LOT better than those pillow covers that are

> supposed to protect you from the dust mites and such in the pillows.

>

> If you have a new-ish vacuum or you are willing to THOROUGHLY clean the

> vacuum, you can also vacuum the mattress. But do not do so if there is any

> possibility that vacuuming the mattress will introduce new contaminants to

> the bedding. If you are in a very dry climate or have a sun room, you can

> sun the mattress once a year to kill the dust mites. I did this every year

> when we lived in the desert and it made a HUGE difference.

>

> Good luck.

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--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

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[Guest guest]

>>In " The ADD Answer " book by Lawlis, he says that calcium and

magnesium in low administration can help with muscle restlessness.

This is something my oldest (ADHD) has a problem with and maybe the

youngest but I've never checked.

And someone else also mentioned anemia. So, FWIW:

I am very prone to " restless leg syndrome " and it used to interfere with my

sleep a lot. Some years ago, I read in an article that it is treatable with

B-complex and Iron. Since getting my restless leg syndrome under control, I

have cured my anemia. Given the importance of iron and b-complex in

production of red blood cells, I think anyone with anemia is a candidate for

restless leg syndrome and that will most definitely interfere with sleep.

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

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