Please chant along with me...

April 12, 2006

the chelation mantra.

Proper chelation:

ALA every 3-4 hours or more often,

DMSA every 4 hours or more often,

DMPS every 8 hours or more often,

EDTA every 8 hours or more often,

Route of adminstration doesn't matter.

Anything else is wrong, wrong, wrong. Dangerous, harmful, and wrong.

Doesn't matter how it goes in, doesn't matter where it is supposed to

come out. Gotta do it right.

TTFD, chlorella, glutathione, MSM, and a lot of other things called

chelators actually are not.

Andy

April 12, 2006

>

> ALA every 3-4 hours or more often,

>

What do you mean by more often ? Will giving it more often pull more

mercury ? How often ?

I am using ALA only, he is tolerating it well at your dosage (1/2 mg

pound) every 3 hours, finished round 3, starting round 4 friday.

Cheryl

April 12, 2006

Cheryl,

ALA dosing time is a no brainer. It needs to be dosed every three hours or

sooner during the waking hours. At the outside time it can be dosed at every 4

hours during sleep, meaning wake up to do it. The dosing schedule is probably

the MOST asked question, just do it. Sorry I am short tonight be it is

important to dose correctly.

Lee

[ ] Re: Please chant along with me...

>

> ALA every 3-4 hours or more often,

>

What do you mean by more often ? Will giving it more often pull more

mercury ? How often ?

I am using ALA only, he is tolerating it well at your dosage (1/2 mg

pound) every 3 hours, finished round 3, starting round 4 friday.

Cheryl

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April 12, 2006

then you might want to actually read someting before responding and

trying to make me feel stupid , i was asking andy what he meant by

MORE OFTEN !

>

> >

> > ALA every 3-4 hours or more often,

> >

> What do you mean by more often ? Will giving it more often pull

more

> mercury ? How often ?

>

> I am using ALA only, he is tolerating it well at your dosage (1/2

mg

> pound) every 3 hours, finished round 3, starting round 4 friday.

>

> Cheryl

>

> =======================================================

>

April 12, 2006

Well, if the protocol calls for a certain level of chelator to be given at a

certain time to be safe I think giving it more often would require some division

of a three-hour dose, or require giving, for example, a three-hour 25mg dose of

chelator more often.

I certainly see your consternation. If you are supposed to give a 25mg dose of

chelator every three hours and you are being told this is the safe way to do

things, giving the same more often might add up to a 3-hour 50mg ( more often

meaning every hour and a half), or even a 3-hour 75mg (more often meaning every

hour) load of chelator. Well, that's a lot of chelator over a three-hour period.

A lot more than what Andy's safe protocol calls for. I don't see how this does

not also lead to a significant chelator drop-off when you reach the end of the

round. Is this really the appropriate thing to do?

We ran into a similar problem trying to figure out dosing for using DMPS and ALA

in combination. DMPS is supposed to be given at eight hour intervals and, of

course, ALA is supposed to be given at three-hour intervals. Keeping the dosing

separate over the course of three days and nights obviously can get out of hand.

I think we ended up dividing the eight-hour DMPS dose in half then gave it with

the regular three-hour ALA dose for a few rounds before we went back to DMSA and

ALA on a three-hour schedule.

Some people report moving a regular three-hour dose to every two-hours during

the day then returning to even three hours at night is better. To me, this sort

of logic is paralleled by people with a fancy for betting only on red just

before the roulette wheel whirls around. Honestly in both cases you are simply

guessing on the unknown. Particularly with autistic-like children, who more

often then not can not express what is going on inside them, unless you have a

mobile DDI lab parked in the driveway with a pipe connected to your child

running a zillion dollar's worth of monitoring tests you don't know what's

happening.

My opinion on all this " tweaking " is just like betting only red, you have a

fifty-fifty chance that what modifications to the safe protocol being made might

not become the dreaded " harmful and inappropriate " . In reality, it probably not

that dramatic to change things around, but it doesn't stop it from feeling that

way.

Oral chelation is a long journey. Be safe and take your time.

[ ] Re: Please chant along with me...

then you might want to actually read someting before responding and

trying to make me feel stupid , i was asking andy what he meant by

MORE OFTEN !

>

> >

> > ALA every 3-4 hours or more often,

> >

> What do you mean by more often ? Will giving it more often pull

more

> mercury ? How often ?

>

> I am using ALA only, he is tolerating it well at your dosage (1/2

mg

> pound) every 3 hours, finished round 3, starting round 4 friday.

>

> Cheryl

>

> =======================================================

>

April 12, 2006

By " more often " I simply mean that you can give it more frequently

than the listed time, e. g. 8 hours for DMPS, and it is OK. For DMPS

every 6, or 4, or 2 or 1 or every 10 minutes would be fine.

I usually say 3-4 hours for ALA since some people are OK on 4 hours

for that, some not, but most do OK with 3 during the day and 4 at night.

Andy

>

> then you might want to actually read someting before responding and

> trying to make me feel stupid , i was asking andy what he meant by

> MORE OFTEN !

>

> > > ALA every 3-4 hours or more often,

> > >

> > What do you mean by more often ? Will giving it more often pull

> more

> > mercury ?

Probably not, but it won't slam any of it deep into his brain and

liver, which inadequately frequent dosing does.

> > How often ?

> >

> > I am using ALA only, he is tolerating it well at your dosage (1/2

> mg

> > pound) every 3 hours, finished round 3, starting round 4 friday.

> >

> > Cheryl

> >

April 13, 2006

> Doesn't matter how it goes in, doesn't matter where

> it is supposed to come out.

Does the dosage matter on how it goes in(TD, Oral

etc)?

__________________________________________________

April 13, 2006

>

> >

> > ALA every 3-4 hours or more often,

> >

> What do you mean by more often ?

He means that it is also okay to use ALA, say, every

2 hours, or every 1 hour. It is a problem if it is

LESS often. It is fine if it is MORE often.

> Will giving it more often pull more

> mercury ?

no, it won't. It's dose that does that.

good wishes,

Moria

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Mercury Detox: Information, Tools, and Resources

April 13, 2006

There are some people who need it at 21/2 hours just because their

metabolism is faster. But in general, the three to four hours is fine.

Barb

[ ] Re: Please chant along with me...

>

>>

>> ALA every 3-4 hours or more often,

>>

> What do you mean by more often ? Will giving it more often pull more

> mercury ? How often ?

>

> I am using ALA only, he is tolerating it well at your dosage (1/2 mg

> pound) every 3 hours, finished round 3, starting round 4 friday.

>

> Cheryl

>

> =======================================================

>

April 13, 2006

ALA is taken every 3 hours or sooner during the day and every 4 hours or less

during the night. The reason for this dosing schedule is ALA's half life. You

want to keep ALA in the system at an steady level, same as if you were taking

antibiotics. Chelating doesn't work if you dose haphazardly. Talking the night

time doses at every four hours is for two reasons: 1. During sleep the body

functions slow and 2. It allows you to get more sleep. If you want to get up

every three hours during the night that is your choice.

" More often " means it is better to take a dose a bit earlier than to go over the

3 hours. When you are chelating for days at a time it is difficult to get every

dose at exactly EVERY 3 hours so taking it earlier is a safeguard against going

over 3 hours.

You might want to invest in Andy's book Amalgam Illness as it explains these

things in detail. You might also want to read the files section.

Lee

[ ] Re: Please chant along with me...

then you might want to actually read someting before responding and

trying to make me feel stupid , i was asking andy what he meant by

MORE OFTEN !

>

> >

> > ALA every 3-4 hours or more often,

> >

> What do you mean by more often ? Will giving it more often pull

more

> mercury ? How often ?

>

> I am using ALA only, he is tolerating it well at your dosage (1/2

mg

> pound) every 3 hours, finished round 3, starting round 4 friday.

>

> Cheryl

>

> =======================================================

>

April 13, 2006

Lee, you might want to stop assuming things and trying to make a

person feel bad about asking questions, thats not really helpful,

especially to new people that need extra help. If you had actually

read my post you would have seen that I am giving the ALA per Andys

protocol, on a 3 hour dosing schedule. That right there should have

given you insight that I have read a few things around here, like

files and posts.... I didnt ask for a " lesson " on ALA , i simply

asked for clarification of " more often " . My question was logical and

warranted to get clarification if " more often " would pull more

mercury, what wasnt necessary were the 2 attempts to belittle my

asking the question. I actually did check the archives prior to

posting but this wasnt addressed except in reference to needing to do

a dosage early for other reasons.

Thanks Andy, Moria, and Kerbob, for understanding my question

and answering without trying to make me feel bad for asking it....

Cheryl

April 13, 2006

I haven't run the numbers, but I think that assuming a half-life of

ALA of three hours, and assuming no variation for metabolism speed,

dosing more often than 3 hours would cause a higher level of

chelator in the blood, thus perhaps increasing metal pull by

effectively increasing dosage.

Anne

>

> Lee, you might want to stop assuming things and trying to make a

> person feel bad about asking questions, thats not really helpful,

> especially to new people that need extra help. If you had actually

> read my post you would have seen that I am giving the ALA per

Andys

> protocol, on a 3 hour dosing schedule. That right there should

have

> given you insight that I have read a few things around here, like

> files and posts.... I didnt ask for a " lesson " on ALA , i simply

> asked for clarification of " more often " . My question was logical

and

> warranted to get clarification if " more often " would pull more

> mercury, what wasnt necessary were the 2 attempts to belittle my

> asking the question. I actually did check the archives prior to

> posting but this wasnt addressed except in reference to needing to

do

> a dosage early for other reasons.

>

> Thanks Andy, Moria, and Kerbob, for understanding my

question

> and answering without trying to make me feel bad for asking it....

>

> Cheryl

>

April 13, 2006

Anne,

The " half life " I mentioned is not my theory. I believe I read this in one of

Andy's books but I could be wrong. I must read upwards of 1,000 emails a day

and of course not everything is correct so thanks for bringing this to my

attention.

Currently I have been up since 2AM so pardon if I make mistakes. Guess I should

stay off the computer when I haven't had any rest. I did not mean to offend

anyone. Sorry if my intent was not clear. I will crawl back in my hole...

Lee

[ ] Re: Please chant along with me...

I haven't run the numbers, but I think that assuming a half-life of

ALA of three hours, and assuming no variation for metabolism speed,

dosing more often than 3 hours would cause a higher level of

chelator in the blood, thus perhaps increasing metal pull by

effectively increasing dosage.

Anne

>

> Lee, you might want to stop assuming things and trying to make a

> person feel bad about asking questions, thats not really helpful,

> especially to new people that need extra help. If you had actually

> read my post you would have seen that I am giving the ALA per

Andys

> protocol, on a 3 hour dosing schedule. That right there should

have

> given you insight that I have read a few things around here, like

> files and posts.... I didnt ask for a " lesson " on ALA , i simply

> asked for clarification of " more often " . My question was logical

and

> warranted to get clarification if " more often " would pull more

> mercury, what wasnt necessary were the 2 attempts to belittle my

> asking the question. I actually did check the archives prior to

> posting but this wasnt addressed except in reference to needing to

do

> a dosage early for other reasons.

>

> Thanks Andy, Moria, and Kerbob, for understanding my

question

> and answering without trying to make me feel bad for asking it....

>

> Cheryl

>

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April 13, 2006

I'm sorry if you misinterpreted my answer as an attempt to belittle. That was

not my intent. I was hoping to help but obviously I only caused grief/anger.

Please accept an apology.

You are right that I missed part of the post. I also missed the answer you

received...I may be having a problem with . I receive individual posts off

the list server and am not seeing them in a reasonable order today.