Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I have used oral chelators for my son over the past 4 years. Lately, its seems like many parents are switching over to IV chelation as it seems to produce greater excretion of metals and quicker improvements for the kids. I know of many using IV EDTA with much success. But, I've also heard of adding in IV DMPS and IV GSH. I do remember reading a while back that IV GSH and IV DMPS can cause more harm than good, but I can't find the specifics in my notes. Can anyone hear share with me the thoughts, concerns, and safety of using various chelator in IV form. Thanks in advance, Sheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Check out www.onibasu.com for ALL posts concerning IV chelation on this board. Not usually recommended, here. Last month, I read a story by a grandmother with two ASD grandchildren. She told how the dr had done 5 IV treatments and how well the kids had done and then on the 6th, it all went downhill. One of the twins regressed to where he was a year and a half ago and the other twin's speech was no longer understandable. They just don't make enough Prozac to get me through something like that. If I chelated for four years I would be looking for other answers too. I'm just not sure that is where I would be looking. [ ] IV Chelation Therapy I have used oral chelators for my son over the past 4 years. Lately, its seems like many parents are switching over to IV chelation as it seems to produce greater excretion of metals and quicker improvements for the kids. I know of many using IV EDTA with much success. But, I've also heard of adding in IV DMPS and IV GSH. I do remember reading a while back that IV GSH and IV DMPS can cause more harm than good, but I can't find the specifics in my notes. Can anyone hear share with me the thoughts, concerns, and safety of using various chelator in IV form. Thanks in advance, Sheryl ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I am very much with , not at all comfortable with IV anything. There can be several reason why you aren't seeing the progress you should. What chelators and protocol are you using? Some kids have viral issues or yeast issues that are blocking overall progress that would be seen from chelation. What testing did you do before and during this time? There has been more than one person say they have been chelating for a long time who changed protocols/chelators and then started seeing progress. Can't say for sure but worth looking into for sure!! Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote: Check out www.onibasu.com for ALL posts concerning IV chelation on this board. Not usually recommended, here. Last month, I read a story by a grandmother with two ASD grandchildren. She told how the dr had done 5 IV treatments and how well the kids had done and then on the 6th, it all went downhill. One of the twins regressed to where he was a year and a half ago and the other twin's speech was no longer understandable. They just don't make enough Prozac to get me through something like that. If I chelated for four years I would be looking for other answers too. I'm just not sure that is where I would be looking. [ ] IV Chelation Therapy I have used oral chelators for my son over the past 4 years. Lately, its seems like many parents are switching over to IV chelation as it seems to produce greater excretion of metals and quicker improvements for the kids. I know of many using IV EDTA with much success. But, I've also heard of adding in IV DMPS and IV GSH. I do remember reading a while back that IV GSH and IV DMPS can cause more harm than good, but I can't find the specifics in my notes. Can anyone hear share with me the thoughts, concerns, and safety of using various chelator in IV form. Thanks in advance, Sheryl ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 -I guess I should clarify....I am seeing progress, but it is a slow type, kind of like trying to watch a tree grow. You know, you can't notice much changing from day to day, but when you look back, you do see the progress. I guess I'm just frustrated with the amount of time it's taking. When I first started (with Dr. Amy Holmes) she said I'd be done in 1.5 to 2 years. Then, after the 2 years went by, I do remember Andy stating that his early estimates might have been too low, that it could take well over 100 rounds for a recovery. Now, we have stopped for breaks (yeast was an issue in the beginning) and also from time to time just for a rest. I am just now addressing viral issues, which I am hoping will speed up the progress. It's just very tempting when you read the big WOWS that parents are stating after using IV and also the big dumps of metals that they see. While I don't want to do anything harmful, I'd like to see a big WOW every once in a while I just don't understand however, if IV chelation is potentially harmful, why are so many of the top DAN's starting to use it? Sheryl -- In , lvchefmel <lvchefmel@...> wrote: > > I am very much with , not at all comfortable with IV anything. > > There can be several reason why you aren't seeing the progress you should. > What chelators and protocol are you using? Some kids have viral issues or yeast issues that are blocking overall progress that would be seen from chelation. What testing did you do before and during this time? > > There has been more than one person say they have been chelating for a long time who changed protocols/chelators and then started seeing progress. > > Can't say for sure but worth looking into for sure!! > > > Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote: > Check out www.onibasu.com for ALL posts concerning IV chelation on this board. Not usually recommended, here. > > Last month, I read a story by a grandmother with two ASD grandchildren. She told how the dr had done 5 IV treatments and how well the kids had done and then on the 6th, it all went downhill. > > One of the twins regressed to where he was a year and a half ago and the other twin's speech was no longer understandable. They just don't make enough Prozac to get me through something like that. > > If I chelated for four years I would be looking for other answers too. I'm just not sure that is where I would be looking. > > > [ ] IV Chelation Therapy > > > I have used oral chelators for my son over the past 4 years. Lately, > its seems like many parents are switching over to IV chelation as it > seems to produce greater excretion of metals and quicker improvements > for the kids. I know of many using IV EDTA with much success. But, > I've also heard of adding in IV DMPS and IV GSH. I do remember > reading a while back that IV GSH and IV DMPS can cause more harm than > good, but I can't find the specifics in my notes. Can anyone hear > share with me the thoughts, concerns, and safety of using various > chelator in IV form. > > Thanks in advance, > Sheryl > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I know that most of the dental sites regarding mercury poisoning do not advocate the use of IV chelation either. I have talked with a few adults on mercury message boards who are sick after doing that. I think it removed to much metal to quickly. The body can only remove it so fast. The safety of DMPS is very debated. Many do not recomend using it. I think especially with children you have to be very careful. Many things are just not tested on kids and you don't want your kids being the test! Perhaps some testing to see what else might be wrong? > Check out www.onibasu.com for ALL posts concerning IV chelation on this board. Not usually recommended, here. > > Last month, I read a story by a grandmother with two ASD grandchildren. She told how the dr had done 5 IV treatments and how well the kids had done and then on the 6th, it all went downhill. > > One of the twins regressed to where he was a year and a half ago and the other twin's speech was no longer understandable. They just don't make enough Prozac to get me through something like that. > > If I chelated for four years I would be looking for other answers too. I'm just not sure that is where I would be looking. > > > [ ] IV Chelation Therapy > > > I have used oral chelators for my son over the past 4 years. Lately, > its seems like many parents are switching over to IV chelation as it > seems to produce greater excretion of metals and quicker improvements > for the kids. I know of many using IV EDTA with much success. But, > I've also heard of adding in IV DMPS and IV GSH. I do remember > reading a while back that IV GSH and IV DMPS can cause more harm than > good, but I can't find the specifics in my notes. Can anyone hear > share with me the thoughts, concerns, and safety of using various > chelator in IV form. > > Thanks in advance, > Sheryl > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 What did his hair test show? What chelator, dose, and dosing schedule are you using? How much does he weigh. I presume he has NO mercury amalgam dental fillings. Have you tried other interventions? Did he develop on track and then regress with vaccines? What are the biggest challenges with him? Is he verbal or otherwise communicative? What supplements do you use, what yeast protocol, any special diet? Have you eliminated sources of exposure to whatever you're trying to chelate (mercury, arsenic, lead, etc.) What indicators or history do you have that he has metal toxicity? How old is he? S S <tt> I have used oral chelators for my son over the past 4 years. Lately, <BR> its seems like many parents are switching over to IV chelation as it <BR> seems to produce greater excretion of metals and quicker improvements <BR> for the kids. I know of many using IV EDTA with much success. But, <BR> I've also heard of adding in IV DMPS and IV GSH. I do remember <BR> reading a while back that IV GSH and IV DMPS can cause more harm than <BR> good, but I can't find the specifics in my notes. Can anyone hear <BR> share with me the thoughts, concerns, and safety of using various <BR> chelator in IV form.<BR> <BR> Thanks in advance,<BR> Sheryl<BR> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > > <tt> > I have used oral chelators for my son over the past 4 years. On what protocol? > Lately, <BR> > its seems like many parents are switching over to IV chelation as it <BR> > seems to produce greater excretion of metals and quicker improvements <BR> > for the kids. I know of many using IV EDTA with much success. I'd really like more information on this (rather than doctors' assertions) as it is the opposite of what I hear. > But, I've also heard of adding in IV DMPS and IV GSH. This is an insane thing to do. > I do remember <BR> > reading a while back that IV GSH and IV DMPS can cause more harm than <BR> > good, See for example www.dmpsbackfire.com for typical stories. there are lots of problems with iv glutathione that happen suddenly after the kids tolerat it for a while, and many of them appear to be permanent. As the relief it offers is temporary, this does not seem worthwhile. Severe permanent OCD with anxiety is common. > but I can't find the specifics in my notes. Can anyone hear <BR> > share with me the thoughts, concerns, and safety of using various <BR> > chelator in IV form.<BR> You will also find this addressed in Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treament in which I go to the trouble to explain in great detail why iv chelation should never be done for heavy metal detox both due to dangers and due to the fact that iv DMPS is not actually helpful over the long haul. ww.noamalgam.com > <BR> > Thanks in advance,<BR> > Sheryl<BR> > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Well, could someone help her with WHAT to do then? [ ] Re: IV Chelation Therapy > > <tt> > I have used oral chelators for my son over the past 4 years. On what protocol? > Lately, <BR> > its seems like many parents are switching over to IV chelation as it <BR> > seems to produce greater excretion of metals and quicker improvements <BR> > for the kids. I know of many using IV EDTA with much success. I'd really like more information on this (rather than doctors' assertions) as it is the opposite of what I hear. > But, I've also heard of adding in IV DMPS and IV GSH. This is an insane thing to do. > I do remember <BR> > reading a while back that IV GSH and IV DMPS can cause more harm than <BR> > good, See for example www.dmpsbackfire.com for typical stories. there are lots of problems with iv glutathione that happen suddenly after the kids tolerat it for a while, and many of them appear to be permanent. As the relief it offers is temporary, this does not seem worthwhile. Severe permanent OCD with anxiety is common. > but I can't find the specifics in my notes. Can anyone hear <BR> > share with me the thoughts, concerns, and safety of using various <BR> > chelator in IV form.<BR> You will also find this addressed in Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treament in which I go to the trouble to explain in great detail why iv chelation should never be done for heavy metal detox both due to dangers and due to the fact that iv DMPS is not actually helpful over the long haul. ww.noamalgam.com > <BR> > Thanks in advance,<BR> > Sheryl<BR> > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Have we gotten the responses to our questions? S S <tt> Well, could someone help her with WHAT to do then?<BR> <BR> <BR> Â _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I did about 40 chelation therapies over a period of 5-6 months or so. I started with the EDTA and when my lead came down enough, I began the DMPS for the mercury. I had good results. I did mineral replacement every 8th visit, which was standard at the place I went to. Some people get very sick while detoxing from metals, however. You may be one of those people. Why not try once a week and then two and work yourself up to 2-3 times per week if YOU FEEL LIKE IT? I agree...what is the hurry? Although, I do not think I would carry it over to more than a year. Also, have you had your dental amalgams replaced? This is VERY important. Are you still being treated for Lyme/ co-infections? My LLMD told me to stop chelating while I was on Lyme treatment....that it would be too much for my system. DeMarco <@...> wrote: Hi, All, I am looking into chelation therapy, and the Naturopath I've seen recommends 30 treatments total given once or twice or thrice weekly, along with restorative IV minerals given after every fourth treatment. I'm wondering if there is a reason it needs to be done so aggressively, or if it would be OK to do maybe once every two weeks, or even monthly. I thought it might be easier on the liver and kidneys if I went more slowly, and there's the cost. It sure would be easier to spread that out over a year or two, rather than 7 months. I'm feeling pretty well these days too, and don't want to knock myself into a tail spin unnecessarily. Any wisdom to share? Thanks, D. --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 - You should know that there are lots of different tests and lots of protocols for chelation therapy. One of the top Lyme docs in NY uses rectal suppositories (now considered as effective as IV, without the invasiveness, cost and potential side effects) with DMSA capsules following. He uses Doctors Data lab tests pre- and post- to test. He uses holistic supplements and a specific protocol (this is not an everyday thing). He's been doing chelation with his thousands of chronic Lyme patients for at least 5 yrs and continues to stay updated with state-of-the-art training. Also, there's lots of overlap with the chronic Lyme issue of metals toxicity and the autism world and metals toxicity (I have family experience with both.) The state-of-the-art for the autism world uses a test for " porphyrins " , which does not test for the precise metals which are too toxic in the body, but is an overall indicator of the health of the detox pathways. If porphyrins are elevated, chelation is started. During/after chelation, the Doctors Data lab tests are done to look at specific metals getting pulled out. I'm doing my Lyme doc's protocol for high levels of lead + mercury. The suppositories aren't that big of a deal or too costly. I've done DMSA caps 3 years ago for a couple of months, and it's not that bad, either. I start those this week. So you may want to check out other doctor's protocols and compare to your naturopath. Sharon > > Hi, All, > > I am looking into chelation therapy, and the Naturopath I've seen > recommends 30 treatments total given once or twice or thrice weekly, > along with restorative IV minerals given after every fourth treatment. > I'm wondering if there is a reason it needs to be done so > aggressively, or if it would be OK to do maybe once every two weeks, > or even monthly. > > I thought it might be easier on the liver and kidneys if I went more > slowly, and there's the cost. It sure would be easier to spread that > out over a year or two, rather than 7 months. I'm feeling pretty well > these days too, and don't want to knock myself into a tail spin > unnecessarily. > > Any wisdom to share? > > Thanks, > > D. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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