Re: Dana/ - Anti-viral attack, continued.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your input Dana. On your original advice we have taken a

few weeks off to start antivirals - Virastop and OLE - and have seen

nice progress. My question was whether to try to add Valtrex to the

mix. The reason I am considering this is because my son's viral

testing showed IgG to HHV6 off the charts. It is my understanding

that Valtrex is sometimes, though not always, very effective against

HHV6. My goal is to postpone chelation chelation only as long as is

necessary to have the most effective antiviral protocol in place for

my son. As HHV6 can have significant implication for the brain, I

think it is important to try to address this. I don't particulary

like the idea of using Valtrex, but I am not against Rx stuff if it

is effective. Unfortunately, there is no way to absolutely predict

how something will be tolerated or its efficacy. I am at a bit of a

standoff with myself on this issue. I don't want to be stopping and

starting chelation any more. In other words, I want to make a

decision on the Valtrex issue for once and for all and be done with

it so I can get on with chelation.

Anne

> > We reduced the VS almost five days ago now and are still getting

> improvements. But personally, I would not mess around with the

> antivirals if it meant putting off chelation.

>

>

> I sincerely regret not starting anti-virals until the end of

> chelation. My son has made the most improvement with anti-virals.

> Chelation did allow him to tolerate all foods and most supplements,

> and also eliminated the *gut* yeast issues. But it was the

> supplements, especially anti-virals and a few others, that have

caused

> the most improvements.

>

> If you can do them together, that is best. But otherwise, taking a

> break from chelation for a short while, to get an anti-viral

protocol

> in place, is what I would have done if I had known then, what I

know now.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for your input Dana. On your original advice we have taken a

> few weeks off to start antivirals - Virastop and OLE - and have seen

> nice progress. My question was whether to try to add Valtrex to the

> mix.

I have never used Valtrex, so I really cannot comment. Are you

comfortable with the potential negative side effects of Valtrex? If

so, and you have a doctor to give you an rx, then you might consider it.

>>My goal is to postpone chelation chelation only as long as is

> necessary to have the most effective antiviral protocol in place for

> my son.

This sounds like a good goal.

As HHV6 can have significant implication for the brain, I

> think it is important to try to address this. I don't particulary

> like the idea of using Valtrex, but I am not against Rx stuff if it

> is effective. Unfortunately, there is no way to absolutely predict

> how something will be tolerated or its efficacy. I am at a bit of a

> standoff with myself on this issue.

If you want, try adding Lauricidin. I could not do that earlier, it

caused way too much yeast. But I added it last week, with nice

improvements and this time the yeast is manageable.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Do you think this is due to ant-viral activity? Lauricidin also caused

nasty yeast for us[or so I thought]. We're still dealing with the

itchy rashes prompted by virastop, I'd like to try something it. No

access for valtrex and OLE sends her to phenol dungeon. We've not had

good response from no phenol. Ideas?

>

> If you want, try adding Lauricidin. I could not do that earlier, it

> caused way too much yeast. But I added it last week, with nice

> improvements and this time the yeast is manageable.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Thanks for your input Dana. On your original advice we have

taken a

> > few weeks off to start antivirals - Virastop and OLE - and have

seen

> > nice progress. My question was whether to try to add Valtrex to

the

> > mix.

>

>

> I have never used Valtrex, so I really cannot comment. Are you

> comfortable with the potential negative side effects of Valtrex? If

> so, and you have a doctor to give you an rx, then you might

consider it.

I have the Rx, but you hit the nail on the head - I am not sure if I

am comfortable with the potential negative side effects.

>

>

> >>My goal is to postpone chelation chelation only as long as is

> > necessary to have the most effective antiviral protocol in place

for

> > my son.

>

>

> This sounds like a good goal.

>

>

> As HHV6 can have significant implication for the brain, I

> > think it is important to try to address this. I don't

particulary

> > like the idea of using Valtrex, but I am not against Rx stuff if

it

> > is effective. Unfortunately, there is no way to absolutely

predict

> > how something will be tolerated or its efficacy. I am at a bit

of a

> > standoff with myself on this issue.

>

>

> If you want, try adding Lauricidin. I could not do that earlier, it

> caused way too much yeast. But I added it last week, with nice

> improvements and this time the yeast is manageable.

>

I actually prepped my arsenal for the antivirals by having some

Diflucan on hand. It has been helpful. We are generally able to

manage without, but when the going gets bad, the Diflucan goes in,

and I am glad to have it as an option.

As for the Lauricidan, I have tried giving it to my son three times

and no matter how I do it - straight up, in peanut butter, or what,

he chews it and then gets just a tad bit upset. I might need to wait

on this until he matures a bit in that way.

>

Thanks Dana.

Dana

>

[Guest guest]

I have the Valtrex also, have had it for about 6 months, just can't make myself

use it. I try, but then I read about the side effects, and I haven't gotten

there yet, don't know if I ever will.

[ ] Re: Dana/ - Anti-viral attack, continued.

> >

> > Thanks for your input Dana. On your original advice we have

taken a

> > few weeks off to start antivirals - Virastop and OLE - and have

seen

> > nice progress. My question was whether to try to add Valtrex to

the

> > mix.

>

>

> I have never used Valtrex, so I really cannot comment. Are you

> comfortable with the potential negative side effects of Valtrex? If

> so, and you have a doctor to give you an rx, then you might

consider it.

I have the Rx, but you hit the nail on the head - I am not sure if I

am comfortable with the potential negative side effects.

>

>

> >>My goal is to postpone chelation chelation only as long as is

> > necessary to have the most effective antiviral protocol in place

for

> > my son.

>

>

> This sounds like a good goal.

>

>

> As HHV6 can have significant implication for the brain, I

> > think it is important to try to address this. I don't

particulary

> > like the idea of using Valtrex, but I am not against Rx stuff if

it

> > is effective. Unfortunately, there is no way to absolutely

predict

> > how something will be tolerated or its efficacy. I am at a bit

of a

> > standoff with myself on this issue.

>

>

> If you want, try adding Lauricidin. I could not do that earlier, it

> caused way too much yeast. But I added it last week, with nice

> improvements and this time the yeast is manageable.

>

I actually prepped my arsenal for the antivirals by having some

Diflucan on hand. It has been helpful. We are generally able to

manage without, but when the going gets bad, the Diflucan goes in,

and I am glad to have it as an option.

As for the Lauricidan, I have tried giving it to my son three times

and no matter how I do it - straight up, in peanut butter, or what,

he chews it and then gets just a tad bit upset. I might need to wait

on this until he matures a bit in that way.

>

Thanks Dana.

Dana

>

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[Guest guest]

Anne,

My apologies as I feel very time pressured at the moment and do not feel up

to writing a lengthy reply. I have a personal bias against using allopathic

drugs if there is a natural alternative that is effective and within your

means to use (and I don't just mean " money " , but ability in other ways

too). I think the complexity of the herbs is generally superior to the

drugs distilled down to one or two active ingredients and are also less

prone to causing the body to get out of whack in reaction to having so much

of one thing dumped in them (as a side effect). So I would encourage you to

first try other herbal antivirals if that is something you are able to do.

By all means: go with the valtrex if you can't manage to find an herbal

alternative which works effectively for you and your child. But if

possible, I would suggest you do allopathic drugs as " a last resort " .

One thing I have not seen mentioned in this thread (but again: I am time

pressured, so may have missed it) is poultices. In my experience, chamomile

is a very effective broad-spectrum medicine and the poultice is far more

effective than just drinking the tea. A bonus is that using a poultice is

transdermal and does not require your child to cooperate in swallowing

anything -- chamomile tea is bitter to the taste and my kids won't drink it

but they were very cooperative with doing poultices. I did poultices and

many other " alternative " treatments for 3 years or more with my sons but

have not chelated either of them (yet?). I don't have any fancy tests

showing what they were infected with but have good reason to believe that it

was a pea-soup of parasites, anti-biotic-resistent bacterial infections, and

viral infections. I have seen a lot of improvement. (FWIW: I can't recall

the last time I got a cold sore and I begin to suspect that I may have

killed off the virus in my system which causes cold sores -- which is

related to one of the virii you named, HHV6.)

If you are interested in pursuing this, I can try to dig up what I have

written previously about using poultice.

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

talithamichele@...

Visit Michele's World!

http://www.califmichele.com

" Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. "

-- Albert Einstein

[Guest guest]

> anything -- chamomile tea is bitter to the taste and my kids won't drink it

Did you try making it with honey and a little bit of lemon? It tastes really

good.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Michele,

Thanks for your post. I have to admit, I have never really heard of

this! I will do some googling and see if I turn up and good

information. I may get back to you with questions, if that is okay.

Anne

>

> Anne,

> My apologies as I feel very time pressured at the moment and do not

feel up

> to writing a lengthy reply. I have a personal bias against using

allopathic

> drugs if there is a natural alternative that is effective and

within your

> means to use (and I don't just mean " money " , but ability in other

ways

> too). I think the complexity of the herbs is generally superior to

the

> drugs distilled down to one or two active ingredients and are also

less

> prone to causing the body to get out of whack in reaction to having

so much

> of one thing dumped in them (as a side effect). So I would

encourage you to

> first try other herbal antivirals if that is something you are able

to do.

> By all means: go with the valtrex if you can't manage to find an

herbal

> alternative which works effectively for you and your child. But if

> possible, I would suggest you do allopathic drugs as " a last

resort " .

>

> One thing I have not seen mentioned in this thread (but again: I am

time

> pressured, so may have missed it) is poultices. In my experience,

chamomile

> is a very effective broad-spectrum medicine and the poultice is far

more

> effective than just drinking the tea. A bonus is that using a

poultice is

> transdermal and does not require your child to cooperate in

swallowing

> anything -- chamomile tea is bitter to the taste and my kids won't

drink it

> but they were very cooperative with doing poultices. I did

poultices and

> many other " alternative " treatments for 3 years or more with my

sons but

> have not chelated either of them (yet?). I don't have any fancy

tests

> showing what they were infected with but have good reason to

believe that it

> was a pea-soup of parasites, anti-biotic-resistent bacterial

infections, and

> viral infections. I have seen a lot of improvement. (FWIW: I

can't recall

> the last time I got a cold sore and I begin to suspect that I may

have

> killed off the virus in my system which causes cold sores -- which

is

> related to one of the virii you named, HHV6.)

>

> If you are interested in pursuing this, I can try to dig up what I

have

> written previously about using poultice.

>

> --

> Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

>

> talithamichele@...

>

>

> Visit Michele's World!

> http://www.califmichele.com

>

> " Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by

understanding. "

> -- Albert Einstein

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anne,

Of course it's okay to get back to me with questions. Also, if you are

going to search for info: you can search the archives here for my previous

posts on the topic. I think I made about 3 posts trying to explain it. It

is somewhat disjointed, as I had never tried to explain it before. So even

if you find those posts from me, you may feel the need for clarification.

Good luck

--

Michele in Limbo (formerly in California)

talithamichele@...

Visit Michele's World!

http://www.califmichele.com

" Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. "

-- Albert Einstein

[Guest guest]

>

> Do you think this is due to ant-viral activity? Lauricidin also caused

> nasty yeast for us[or so I thought].

For quite a while now, I have suspected that Lauricidin addressed

viruses too quickly for my son, even at only 1-2 pellets per day. As

time has progressed, it appears correct, because now that I have

addressed several of my son's virus issues, I have been able to add in

Lauricidin without the massive yeast problem.

However, I have also added biotin, which has tremendously helped the

yeast problem.

And I have addressed my son's fat absorption issue, and Lauricidin is

a fat, so he did not tolerate it for that reason also.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> As for the Lauricidan, I have tried giving it to my son three times

> and no matter how I do it - straight up, in peanut butter, or what,

> he chews it and then gets just a tad bit upset. I might need to wait

> on this until he matures a bit in that way.

Some people put it in applesauce, and the child just " slurps " it down,

without chewing.

Dana

[Guest guest]

why do you use virastop instead of valtrex?

[Guest guest]

HI, THIS IS WHAT I DO. GET A MEDICINE BOTTLE LIKE THE KIND ANTIBIOTICS COME IN,

PUT IN SOME UNSWEETENED JUICE, HALF WAY UP TO THE TOP, PUT IN YOUR LAURICIDIN

PELLETS AND PUT THE TOP ON. MAKE A GAME OF IT WITH YOUR CHILD TO SHAKE IT AND

ASK HOW MANY TIMES HE WANTS TO SHAKE THE BOTTLE? THEN OPEN AND POUR A LITTLE

AT A TIME INTO A BABY MEDICINE SPOON THE KIND THE DRUG STORE GIVES YOU OR YOU

CAN ALSO BUY THEM, THEN SIMPLY HAVE HIM DRINK A LITTLE AT A TIME, AGAIN PLAYING

A GAME TO SEE IF IT'S ALL DOWN CONTINUE TO ADD A LITTLE JUICE INTO THE VIAL

UNTIL ALL THE PELLETS HAVE BEEN DRANK. I DO THIS WITH ALL OUR PILLS

AND CAPSULES THAT I HAVE TO OPEN UP.

TRUST ME IF YOUR CHILD FEELS YOUR INTENSITY THEN IT WILL NOT WORK, RELAX , CALM

DOWN AND BE POSITIVE, IF I CAN DO IT , ANYONE CAN.....

HOPE THIS HELPS

CORINNE

SUGARLAND,TX.

[ ] Re: Dana/ - Anti-viral attack, continued.

> As for the Lauricidan, I have tried giving it to my son three times

> and no matter how I do it - straight up, in peanut butter, or what,

> he chews it and then gets just a tad bit upset. I might need to wait

> on this until he matures a bit in that way.

Some people put it in applesauce, and the child just " slurps " it down,

without chewing.

Dana

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

There has been a lot of discussion on this, and if you go to

www.onibasu.com and click on the Autism_Mercury list and run some

searches for Virastop valtrex or anti-viral or anti viral, you can

access many of these discussions. The short answer is that Valtrex is

an Rx medicine which acts to stop a virus from reproducing. It is only

effective against herpes viruses, and is not effective against all

herpes viruses. Many children have a very negative reaction to Valtrex

during anti-viral therapy. Virastop, on the other hand, is an enzyme

available without Rx that destroys the protein covering of a virus and

has a much more broad spectrum application. There appear to be less

severe side effects generally to Virastop than to Valtrex, though there

are exceptions to every rule. For what it is worth, from my research

and based on the experiences I have heard from of a lot of parents, it

appears that using more than one anti-viral agent at a time is

generally more successful than using only one.

Hope that helps.

>

> why do you use virastop instead of valtrex?

>

>

>