Re: ALA alone unsafe per DAN doc

[Guest guest]

I know I shouldn't take my DAN docs word for things, so I'm not, but I want to

check this out.

She says that ALA alone is not a good idea because it can redistribute metals,

has anyone heard this before?

How did she get this info if it's not accurate?

Thanks!

[ ] Digest Number 7783

[Guest guest]

Because they don't dose it properly or understand how it works. Drs, most of

them, do not know the mechanisms by which the majority of medicines work or do

their job. Mostly they know what drug reps tell them. I have been in practice

with enough physicians to know this.

Ala has the trickiest dosing time, 3 hours, and when you give it with less

frequency than that, some really awful things can and do happen. So instead of

blaming the dosing or the fact that they don't know how to dose it, they blame

the Ala.

I talked to a woman a couple of months back who had a very famous dan dr who

dosed the Ala at 100 mgs, every 8 hours! Very sadly, but predictably her child

regressed. This man does not use Ala any longer, nor should he if he is going

to dose like that.

Any drs out there for which the above is not true, I am not speaking to you---my

disclaimer.

[ ] Digest Number 7783

[Guest guest]

I agree. Everything I have read on ALA does not indicate it

redistributes anything. This same thing can happen with any chelator

that is not taken often enough. ALA is used by many people

suggesfully to chelate following amalgam removal. Not to upset

anyone, but ALA is cheaper than chelation drugs and does not require

a prescription. Some doctors are uncomfortable with us " layman "

treating ourselves. Or them not getting a cut.

>

> Because they don't dose it properly or understand how it works.

Drs, most of them, do not know the mechanisms by which the majority

of medicines work or do their job. Mostly they know what drug reps

tell them. I have been in practice with enough physicians to know

this.

>

> Ala has the trickiest dosing time, 3 hours, and when you give it

with less frequency than that, some really awful things can and do

happen. So instead of blaming the dosing or the fact that they don't

know how to dose it, they blame the Ala.

>

> I talked to a woman a couple of months back who had a very famous

dan dr who dosed the Ala at 100 mgs, every 8 hours! Very sadly, but

predictably her child regressed. This man does not use Ala any

longer, nor should he if he is going to dose like that.

>

> Any drs out there for which the above is not true, I am not

speaking to you---my disclaimer.

>

>

> [ ] Digest Number 7783

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>

[Guest guest]

,

ANY chelator used improperly will redistribute metals. DAN! doesn't

have a stellar track record in terms of recommending chelators based

on their half-life, which can result in redistribution. Given that

ALA has the shortest half-life of all the chelators, your DAN!s

position on it, although inaccurate, isn't surprising.

Many people do use ALA alone to chelate. Many do team it with

another chelator, either to address other metals, or to speed up the

process of chelation, or to address any kind of mild side-effects of

chelating with ALA alone (some people seem to feel a bit off using

just ALA, although this isn't common).

If you want to use ALA alone, do so. If you want to use ALA with

DMSA or DMPS, do so. You will see what works best for your

individual situation. Many of us believe that ALA is the only

chelator to cross the BBB and therefore it is essential to proper

chelation.

Anita

>

> I know I shouldn't take my DAN docs word for things, so I'm not,

but I want to check this out.

>

> She says that ALA alone is not a good idea because it can

redistribute metals, has anyone heard this before?

>

> How did she get this info if it's not accurate?

>

> Thanks!

>

>

> [ ] Digest Number 7783

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am jumping in this thread although I haven't read all the messages,

so please forgive me if I go over something it may have been covered.

My biggest fear with ALA is the ability to grab mercury from other

parts of the body and carry it into the brain. This is something that

keeps me thinking. We discussed this very same issue with Boyd Haley

months ago just to confirm that this is a real possibility. My

question is then, when do you introduce ALA?

> >

> > Because they don't dose it properly or understand how it works.

> Drs, most of them, do not know the mechanisms by which the majority

> of medicines work or do their job. Mostly they know what drug reps

> tell them. I have been in practice with enough physicians to know

> this.

> >

> > Ala has the trickiest dosing time, 3 hours, and when you give it

> with less frequency than that, some really awful things can and do

> happen. So instead of blaming the dosing or the fact that they don't

> know how to dose it, they blame the Ala.

> >

> > I talked to a woman a couple of months back who had a very famous

> dan dr who dosed the Ala at 100 mgs, every 8 hours! Very sadly, but

> predictably her child regressed. This man does not use Ala any

> longer, nor should he if he is going to dose like that.

> >

> > Any drs out there for which the above is not true, I am not

> speaking to you---my disclaimer.

> >

> >

> > [ ] Digest Number 7783

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Anything chelator that has the ability to remove something from the CNS or brain

has the ability to carry something to it. That is why the dosing is so

short/strict/critical.

Andy will tell you (and has, check out onibasu) that ALA is the ONLY chelator

you need, the only important chelator.

[ ] Digest Number 7783

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[Guest guest]

She must not know about proper dose and dosing schedule or doesn't believe a

parent would get up at night to dose. Check the FAQs for this info.

S S

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I know I shouldn't take my DAN docs word for things, so I'm not, but I want to

check this out.<BR>

<BR>

She says that ALA alone is not a good idea because it can redistribute metals,

has anyone heard this before?<BR>

<BR>

How did she get this info if it's not accurate?<BR>

<BR>

Thanks!<BR>

<BR>

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[Guest guest]

> She says that ALA alone is not a good idea because it can

redistribute metals, has anyone heard this before?

Any chelator can redistribute metals, depending on the protocol you

use and what other supplements you use along with it.

I used ALA and selenium for my kids, and never saw any negatives from

redistribution or any other reason, altho it did tend to increase yeast.

> How did she get this info if it's not accurate?

ALA does not require rx, so it is likely she just does not know much

about it, or is biased in favor of rx items.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I understand how once a day could be dangerous because how

redistrubition would work - that you need to wait the 2 to three

days before giving again if its been longer than about 4 hours. Can

someone explain to me why giving it once then skipping three days

would make things worse? I understand it won't work very fast at

all, but it seems like everyone saying it would make it worse.

Lori

> > > >

> > > > Because they don't dose it properly or understand how it

> works.

> > > Drs, most of them, do not know the mechanisms by which the

> majority

> > > of medicines work or do their job. Mostly they know what drug

> reps

> > > tell them. I have been in practice with enough physicians to

> know

> > > this.

> > > >

> > > > Ala has the trickiest dosing time, 3 hours, and when you

give

> it

> > > with less frequency than that, some really awful things can

and

> do

> > > happen. So instead of blaming the dosing or the fact that they

> don't

> > > know how to dose it, they blame the Ala.

> > > >

> > > > I talked to a woman a couple of months back who had a very

> famous

> > > dan dr who dosed the Ala at 100 mgs, every 8 hours! Very

sadly,

> but

> > > predictably her child regressed. This man does not use Ala

any

> > > longer, nor should he if he is going to dose like that.

> > > >

> > > > Any drs out there for which the above is not true, I am not

> > > speaking to you---my disclaimer.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [ ] Digest Number 7783

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

By giving it every 3 hours around the clock for 3 days you are able to give many

doses and a large amount of chelating agent with only one redistribution. If

you give one dose and then wait you are getting redistribution with each dose.

So that is reducing the times you get redistribution to once every 24 doses +/-

instead of with every dose. Limiting redistribution is very important since we

never know where the metals are going to end up.

loridrakerobertsmom <lori@...> wrote:

I understand how once a day could be dangerous because how

redistrubition would work - that you need to wait the 2 to three

days before giving again if its been longer than about 4 hours. Can

someone explain to me why giving it once then skipping three days

would make things worse? I understand it won't work very fast at

all, but it seems like everyone saying it would make it worse.

Lori

> > > >

> > > > Because they don't dose it properly or understand how it

> works.

> > > Drs, most of them, do not know the mechanisms by which the

> majority

> > > of medicines work or do their job. Mostly they know what drug

> reps

> > > tell them. I have been in practice with enough physicians to

> know

> > > this.

> > > >

> > > > Ala has the trickiest dosing time, 3 hours, and when you

give

> it

> > > with less frequency than that, some really awful things can

and

> do

> > > happen. So instead of blaming the dosing or the fact that they

> don't

> > > know how to dose it, they blame the Ala.

> > > >

> > > > I talked to a woman a couple of months back who had a very

> famous

> > > dan dr who dosed the Ala at 100 mgs, every 8 hours! Very

sadly,

> but

> > > predictably her child regressed. This man does not use Ala

any

> > > longer, nor should he if he is going to dose like that.

> > > >

> > > > Any drs out there for which the above is not true, I am not

> > > speaking to you---my disclaimer.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [ ] Digest Number 7783

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

There is always redistribution after the

end of the chelation round. The idea

is to minimize redistribution to once

a week or every other week.

Because chelators stress the body, the

body needs a rest between cycles of

administration, thus 3 days on, and 4 or

11 days off.

The metaphor I use is a swimming pool with

cleaning filters. When you stir up the

debris on the bottom by hand or pool brush,

the junk gets into suspension in

the water where it can be removed by the filters.

When you stop, the debris redistributes

and ends up on the steps, the ladders,

and other surfaces of the pool.

The stirring up is the analogous to chelation.

The filters are anaologous to the human liver

and other detoxing organs.

The cleaning of the filters between cycles

is analogous to the body's period of rest

between chelation cycles.

Just my theory, though. I am merely a

dad of an autistic child

and not a scientist or doctor of any kind.

--- loridrakerobertsmom <lori@...> wrote:

> I understand how once a day could be dangerous

> because how

> redistrubition would work - that you need to wait

> the 2 to three

> days before giving again if its been longer than

> about 4 hours. Can

> someone explain to me why giving it once then

> skipping three days

> would make things worse? I understand it won't work

> very fast at

> all, but it seems like everyone saying it would make

> it worse.

>

> Lori

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Because they don't dose it properly or

> understand how it

> > works.

> > > > Drs, most of them, do not know the mechanisms

> by which the

> > majority

> > > > of medicines work or do their job. Mostly they

> know what drug

> > reps

> > > > tell them. I have been in practice with

> enough physicians to

> > know

> > > > this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ala has the trickiest dosing time, 3 hours,

> and when you

> give

> > it

> > > > with less frequency than that, some really

> awful things can

> and

> > do

> > > > happen. So instead of blaming the dosing or

> the fact that they

> > don't

> > > > know how to dose it, they blame the Ala.

> > > > >

> > > > > I talked to a woman a couple of months back

> who had a very

> > famous

> > > > dan dr who dosed the Ala at 100 mgs, every 8

> hours! Very

> sadly,

> > but

> > > > predictably her child regressed. This man

> does not use Ala

> any

> > > > longer, nor should he if he is going to dose

> like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any drs out there for which the above is not

> true, I am not

> > > > speaking to you---my disclaimer.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [ ] Digest Number

> 7783

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hey , give yourself a little more credit here!!

I would trust the people here way before I would any doctor I have ever met.

A medical degree doesn't make a person smart!!! Besides, we are curing autism

aren't we!!!

I am merely a

dad of an autistic child

and not a scientist or doctor of any kind.

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