, lets figure out what candida does and doesn't do

[Guest guest]

,

I'm not sure exactly where you are trying to go with this. I'd

suggest that if you really want to make claims dig up the relevant

research papers and post the papers so that we can have a look and see

what they do say and what they don't say.

I think that you are getting some of your ideas about candida and

probiotics from the makers of NDF. Please note that much of the

claims that those people make are not true. It is necessary to dig

back from the statements to the foundation to see if there is any

truth or not.

For example, this statement:

" Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

mercury, and then methylate it. "

If you went back and found the relevant literature I am quite sure

that you would find that the above claim does not have a foundation.

I'm concerned when you make those kind of statements because it sounds

like you are trying to 'scare' people away from probiotics.

And this one:

" Also taking something that displaces mercury (like zinc) along with

the probiotics can make matters worse. "

Where did you get that?

Are you trying to suggest that toxic people should avoid zinc

supplementation? If so, please post the relevant references.

I'm totally toxic and I know for sure that zinc supplementation

doesn't hurt me.

And this one:

" On the left is candida in the human body, on the right is a candida

like lichen growing on a rock with high mercury content near a mercury

mine. "

Are you saying that Candida " looks " like lichen? or what? I really

don't understand the point you are trying to make there.

Regards

> Valentina

>

> Anytime you have non-organic mercury candida will form around it and

suck it

> up into it's cells. Breaking the cell wall of candida releases the

mercury.

>

> Many people with mercury in their digestive tract, especially the

stomach,

> are sensitive to probiotics. As an example, if you had amalgams and were

> breathing mercury vapor, it would accumulate in the stomach. It

would slowly

> dissolve in hydrochloric acid to form mercuric salts (mercuric chloride,

> etc) and candida would replicate in a viral fashion to cover the

area and

> then begin to suck the mercury up into it's cells.

>

> Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

mercury, and

> then methylate it. This is why some people with amalgams or a large

amount

> of mercury in their gut often are sensitive to probiotics, and will get

> worse over time taking them. Sometimes they can take enteric coated

> probiotics without having a problem.

>

> Also taking something that displaces mercury (like zinc) along with the

> probiotics can make matters worse. Personally I go really easy on

probiotics

> or don't do them all all because of my large burden of mercury.

>

> Cheers,

>

>

> PS - I'm not sure how far down the rabbit hole to take you here, but

I will

> add that candida serves a valuable function in sucking inorganic

mercury up

> into it's plant cells. Basically it is digesting the mercury,

methylating it

> into it's own flesh and as a result will create a better balance of

soil in

> the intestines. That is why we go through the cycle of chelating

mercury and

> then killing candida and yeast over and over again. I'll explain this

> farther sometime if anyone is interested, but you need a basic

understanding

> of pleomorphism (euroamericanhealth.com has a nice primer). Nitrogenous

> flesh with blood flowing through it, be it human, animal or plant flesh

> (chlorophyll is plant blood), reflects the terrain of the soil. The

> microorganisms in cells (protits) can and do change the cells from

viral to

> bacteral to fungal based on the terrain (this can easily be observed

with ph

> changes). A simpler way to look at it is " things are always breaking

down

> and creating a balance in the soil " or " life is being creating from the

> soil " . The soil that a plants roots extend into and the soil that flows

> through our small intestine where our villi (roots) extend into are very

> similar. In the human body candida forms to digest (buffer) the

mercury and

> in " dying " creates better soil. In nature if you have rocks with high

> mercury content, candida grows and breaks the rock down eventually

back into

> better soil.

>

> For fun, I put a side by side picture at this URL:

> http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

> On the left is candida in the human body, on the right is a candida like

> lichen growing on a rock with high mercury content near a mercury mine.

> Notice any similarity? This picture was from a USGOV study where

they break

> off the lichen/candida and measure the amount of mercury it has

sucked up to

> determine how toxic the area near the mine is.

>

> Cheers,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm not trying to scare people away from probiotics or convince them of

anything. I'm just sharing my experience and my research. Offering a

possible explanation of why some people are very sensitive to probiotics,

like myself (I swallowed large amounts of mercury amalgam and elemental

mercury during my life, besides swallowing saliva with mercury from my

amalgams). That zinc displaces mercury is a well known " fact " in the

chemical model, so I believe this can increase sensitivity, especially if

taken with large amounts of probiotics.

As for NDF, my research indicated that well before I found Ray, but

I found him because I was searching for people whose research conclusions

aligned with mine, so if I'm way off track then we both probably are.

When I research, I try to bring together different areas of science into a

more unified model. That is how I got all my patents, and how I could lead

groups to discover solutions that never before existed. But first I would

have to unlearn them to some degree, as they were taught things were facts,

instead of a teacher saying " we are teaching you about a model we developed

based on our limited study and understanding of some part of nature " . You

see, all science is just the observation of nature, that is all we have.

When we observe nature we make a model. That model is ALWAYS FALSE. All

scientific models are false because we don't understand ALL the properties

of anything in nature. It is just useful to create a " false " model to make

products or to enhance our life. For example, you can use the atomic model

to solve problems, but we know atoms are not the smallest element and we

don't know ALL the properties of atoms. We used to use that model to make

semiconductors at my company, and many believed we would never be able to

make chips with substates smaller than the size of an atom. But when the

time came we discarded that model and used a new one involving

nanotechnology. Another false model but useful for doing what we needed to

do.

Hopefully that is not too cosmic. It really is critical to understand

pleomorphism, as it is a much better model of how nature works. As for

candida, it is a lichen. People with amalgams get lichen planus and people

that have tattoos containing red mercury ink often get lichen blisters.

Candida grows where mercury is, even on rocks because the life that makes

cells is similar in all areas of nature.

Cheers,

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of lindajaytee

Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:40 PM

Subject: [ ] , lets figure out what candida does and

doesn't do

,

I'm not sure exactly where you are trying to go with this. I'd

suggest that if you really want to make claims dig up the relevant

research papers and post the papers so that we can have a look and see

what they do say and what they don't say.

I think that you are getting some of your ideas about candida and

probiotics from the makers of NDF. Please note that much of the

claims that those people make are not true. It is necessary to dig

back from the statements to the foundation to see if there is any

truth or not.

For example, this statement:

" Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

mercury, and then methylate it. "

If you went back and found the relevant literature I am quite sure

that you would find that the above claim does not have a foundation.

I'm concerned when you make those kind of statements because it sounds

like you are trying to 'scare' people away from probiotics.

And this one:

" Also taking something that displaces mercury (like zinc) along with

the probiotics can make matters worse. "

Where did you get that?

Are you trying to suggest that toxic people should avoid zinc

supplementation? If so, please post the relevant references.

I'm totally toxic and I know for sure that zinc supplementation

doesn't hurt me.

And this one:

" On the left is candida in the human body, on the right is a candida

like lichen growing on a rock with high mercury content near a mercury

mine. "

Are you saying that Candida " looks " like lichen? or what? I really

don't understand the point you are trying to make there.

Regards

> Valentina

>

> Anytime you have non-organic mercury candida will form around it and

suck it

> up into it's cells. Breaking the cell wall of candida releases the

mercury.

>

> Many people with mercury in their digestive tract, especially the

stomach,

> are sensitive to probiotics. As an example, if you had amalgams and were

> breathing mercury vapor, it would accumulate in the stomach. It

would slowly

> dissolve in hydrochloric acid to form mercuric salts (mercuric chloride,

> etc) and candida would replicate in a viral fashion to cover the

area and

> then begin to suck the mercury up into it's cells.

>

> Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

mercury, and

> then methylate it. This is why some people with amalgams or a large

amount

> of mercury in their gut often are sensitive to probiotics, and will get

> worse over time taking them. Sometimes they can take enteric coated

> probiotics without having a problem.

>

> Also taking something that displaces mercury (like zinc) along with the

> probiotics can make matters worse. Personally I go really easy on

probiotics

> or don't do them all all because of my large burden of mercury.

>

> Cheers,

>

>

> PS - I'm not sure how far down the rabbit hole to take you here, but

I will

> add that candida serves a valuable function in sucking inorganic

mercury up

> into it's plant cells. Basically it is digesting the mercury,

methylating it

> into it's own flesh and as a result will create a better balance of

soil in

> the intestines. That is why we go through the cycle of chelating

mercury and

> then killing candida and yeast over and over again. I'll explain this

> farther sometime if anyone is interested, but you need a basic

understanding

> of pleomorphism (euroamericanhealth.com has a nice primer). Nitrogenous

> flesh with blood flowing through it, be it human, animal or plant flesh

> (chlorophyll is plant blood), reflects the terrain of the soil. The

> microorganisms in cells (protits) can and do change the cells from

viral to

> bacteral to fungal based on the terrain (this can easily be observed

with ph

> changes). A simpler way to look at it is " things are always breaking

down

> and creating a balance in the soil " or " life is being creating from the

> soil " . The soil that a plants roots extend into and the soil that flows

> through our small intestine where our villi (roots) extend into are very

> similar. In the human body candida forms to digest (buffer) the

mercury and

> in " dying " creates better soil. In nature if you have rocks with high

> mercury content, candida grows and breaks the rock down eventually

back into

> better soil.

>

> For fun, I put a side by side picture at this URL:

> http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

> On the left is candida in the human body, on the right is a candida like

> lichen growing on a rock with high mercury content near a mercury mine.

> Notice any similarity? This picture was from a USGOV study where

they break

> off the lichen/candida and measure the amount of mercury it has

sucked up to

> determine how toxic the area near the mine is.

>

> Cheers,

>

>

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Let's take one thing at a time.

First, lichen equals not Candida!!

Dictionary.com definition:

li·chen

1. A fungus, usually of the class Ascomycetes, that grows

symbiotically with algae, resulting in a composite organism that

characteristically forms a crustlike or branching growth on rocks or

tree trunks.

2. Pathology. Any of various skin diseases characterized by patchy

eruptions of small, firm papules.

Candida

Any of the yeastlike imperfect fungi of the genus Candida that are

normally present on the skin and in the mucous membranes of the mouth,

intestinal tract, and vagina, and that may become pathogenic,

especially C. albicans, the causative agent of thrush.

The picture that you found of a lichen would be definition (1) and the

lichen planus you mentioned would be definition (2). They aren't the

same thing.

Candida is a yeast like fungus. Different thing again.

Are you with me so far?

J

>

> > Valentina

> >

> > Anytime you have non-organic mercury candida will form around it and

> suck it

> > up into it's cells. Breaking the cell wall of candida releases the

> mercury.

> >

> > Many people with mercury in their digestive tract, especially the

> stomach,

> > are sensitive to probiotics. As an example, if you had amalgams

and were

> > breathing mercury vapor, it would accumulate in the stomach. It

> would slowly

> > dissolve in hydrochloric acid to form mercuric salts (mercuric

chloride,

> > etc) and candida would replicate in a viral fashion to cover the

> area and

> > then begin to suck the mercury up into it's cells.

> >

> > Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

> mercury, and

> > then methylate it. This is why some people with amalgams or a large

> amount

> > of mercury in their gut often are sensitive to probiotics, and

will get

> > worse over time taking them. Sometimes they can take enteric coated

> > probiotics without having a problem.

> >

> > Also taking something that displaces mercury (like zinc) along

with the

> > probiotics can make matters worse. Personally I go really easy on

> probiotics

> > or don't do them all all because of my large burden of mercury.

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> >

> > PS - I'm not sure how far down the rabbit hole to take you here, but

> I will

> > add that candida serves a valuable function in sucking inorganic

> mercury up

> > into it's plant cells. Basically it is digesting the mercury,

> methylating it

> > into it's own flesh and as a result will create a better balance of

> soil in

> > the intestines. That is why we go through the cycle of chelating

> mercury and

> > then killing candida and yeast over and over again. I'll explain this

> > farther sometime if anyone is interested, but you need a basic

> understanding

> > of pleomorphism (euroamericanhealth.com has a nice primer).

Nitrogenous

> > flesh with blood flowing through it, be it human, animal or plant

flesh

> > (chlorophyll is plant blood), reflects the terrain of the soil. The

> > microorganisms in cells (protits) can and do change the cells from

> viral to

> > bacteral to fungal based on the terrain (this can easily be observed

> with ph

> > changes). A simpler way to look at it is " things are always breaking

> down

> > and creating a balance in the soil " or " life is being creating

from the

> > soil " . The soil that a plants roots extend into and the soil that

flows

> > through our small intestine where our villi (roots) extend into

are very

> > similar. In the human body candida forms to digest (buffer) the

> mercury and

> > in " dying " creates better soil. In nature if you have rocks with high

> > mercury content, candida grows and breaks the rock down eventually

> back into

> > better soil.

> >

> > For fun, I put a side by side picture at this URL:

> > http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

> > On the left is candida in the human body, on the right is a

candida like

> > lichen growing on a rock with high mercury content near a mercury

mine.

> > Notice any similarity? This picture was from a USGOV study where

> they break

> > off the lichen/candida and measure the amount of mercury it has

> sucked up to

> > determine how toxic the area near the mine is.

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm glad you asked this question, as I found a connection to iodine and

candida that I've been working to figure out for quite a while. It was in

some notes from 1997 and I'd forgotten about it. So thanks, but don't ask me

any more questions, this is hard work lol.

I'm with you... The dictionary.com definition is out of date and doesn't

reflect current research:

Even if there wasn't conventional research to support what I said, which

there is, that dictionary definition would be a mono-morphism view, not a

pleo-morphic view. We've been taught that the smallest unit of our kind of

life is the cell, but this isn't what has been observed. Much smaller moving

protits inside the cell change the cell based on their terrain. Anyone that

does live analysis of blood can show you this. Killing and staining things

kept this model from being used for too long, but now pleomorphism is common

in conventional biology, as it's the only way things make sense. The reason

they find hundreds of different strains of candida is because it adapts to

it's terrain. Naming each one is dumb. We need to be concerned with fixing

the balance of the terrain.

Anyway, Candida doesn't act like most yeasts. It can change from yeast to

lichen depending on it's terrain (environment). It can reproduce by asexual

or sexual reproduction.

Here is some info with references.

C. albicans exists in three major morphologies: ellipsoid yeast-form (YF)

cells, pseudohyphal cells (chains of elongated yeast cells, separated by

constrictions), and extremely elongated filamentous hyphal-form (HF) cells.

YF cells are thought to be the predominant morphology found during

colonization at epithelial surfaces, whereas HF cells have been associated

with invasion into and through epithelial and endothelial cell layers (Ref

1)

Yeast-like fungi may be basidiomycetes, such as Cryptococcus neoformans or

ascomycetes such as Candida albicans. (Ref 2)

The regulation of morphogenesis in the human fungal pathogen Candida

albicans is under investigation to better understand how the switch between

budding and hyphal growth is linked to virulence. Therefore, in this study

we examined the ability of C. albicans to undergo a distinct type of

morphogenesis (Ref 3)

Candida albicans will methlyate mercuric salts into it's cells (tissue). One

12 day study determined that the amount of HgCl2 methylated into it's cells

was released as the same amount of inorganic mercury when the cells were

broken down at the end of the experiment. (Ref 4)

As Candida processes mercury into it's tissue (reproducing cells), it forms

biofilms (colonies embedded in a protective slimy, polymeric polysaccharide

matrix that they themselves produce) Such microbial communities are well

known for their resistance to various antibiotics and are increasingly

recognized as the roots of many chronic and indolent infections. Some

Candida albicans biofilms examined were composed primarily of yeast and

hyphal forms, with some pseudohyphae. Upper regions of such biofilms were

made up of tangled masses of hyphae with openings between germ tubes about

10 to 50 mM across. (Ref 5)

Candida biofilms adsorb metal cations from their surroundings, such as Hg2+,

and only very high concentrations of toxic metals would kill

surface-adherent Candida. (Ref 6)

1. Hyphal Guidance and Invasive Growth in Candida albicans Require the

Ras-Like GTPase Rsr1p and Its GTPase-Activating Protein Bud2p

le L. Hausauer,1 am Gerami-Nejad,2 Cassandra Kistler-,2

and Cheryl A. Gale1,2*

Copyright C 2005, American Society for Microbiology

2. Yeast Identification, Mycology, Dr. Ellis

School of Molecular & Biomedical Science, THE UNIVERSITY OF ADELAIDE

3. Cell Cycle Dynamics and Quorum Sensing in Candida albicans Chlamydospores

Are Distinct from Budding and Hyphal Growth W. ,1, Lois M.

,2 and B. Konopka2* Program in Molecular and Cellular Biology,1

Department of Molecular Genetics and Microbiology, State University of New

York, Stony Brook, New York 11794-52222

4. Transformations of inorganic mercury by Candida albicans and

Saccharomyces cerevisiae.

S Yannai, I Berdicevsky, and L Duek

Department of Food Engineering and Biotechnology, Technion-Israel Institute

of Technology, Haifa.

5) Of metalicized mouths, mycotoxicosis, and oxygen.(Oxygen Homeostasis)

Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients; 6/1/2005; , Rober

6) Metal resistance in Candida biofilms

FEMS Microbiology Ecology.

Joe J. on1,2, am Rabiei1, J. 1, A. Badry1,

Kimberley M. Sproule1 & Ceri1,2

Cheers,

________________________________

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of lindajaytee

Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:01 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does and

doesn't do

Hi ,

Let's take one thing at a time.

First, lichen equals not Candida!!

Dictionary.com definition:

li.chen

1. A fungus, usually of the class Ascomycetes, that grows

symbiotically with algae, resulting in a composite organism that

characteristically forms a crustlike or branching growth on rocks or

tree trunks.

2. Pathology. Any of various skin diseases characterized by patchy

eruptions of small, firm papules.

Candida

Any of the yeastlike imperfect fungi of the genus Candida that are

normally present on the skin and in the mucous membranes of the mouth,

intestinal tract, and vagina, and that may become pathogenic,

especially C. albicans, the causative agent of thrush.

The picture that you found of a lichen would be definition (1) and the

lichen planus you mentioned would be definition (2). They aren't the

same thing.

Candida is a yeast like fungus. Different thing again.

Are you with me so far?

J

>

> > Valentina

> >

> > Anytime you have non-organic mercury candida will form around it and

> suck it

> > up into it's cells. Breaking the cell wall of candida releases the

> mercury.

> >

> > Many people with mercury in their digestive tract, especially the

> stomach,

> > are sensitive to probiotics. As an example, if you had amalgams

and were

> > breathing mercury vapor, it would accumulate in the stomach. It

> would slowly

> > dissolve in hydrochloric acid to form mercuric salts (mercuric

chloride,

> > etc) and candida would replicate in a viral fashion to cover the

> area and

> > then begin to suck the mercury up into it's cells.

> >

> > Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

> mercury, and

> > then methylate it. This is why some people with amalgams or a large

> amount

> > of mercury in their gut often are sensitive to probiotics, and

will get

> > worse over time taking them. Sometimes they can take enteric coated

> > probiotics without having a problem.

> >

> > Also taking something that displaces mercury (like zinc) along

with the

> > probiotics can make matters worse. Personally I go really easy on

> probiotics

> > or don't do them all all because of my large burden of mercury.

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> >

> > PS - I'm not sure how far down the rabbit hole to take you here, but

> I will

> > add that candida serves a valuable function in sucking inorganic

> mercury up

> > into it's plant cells. Basically it is digesting the mercury,

> methylating it

> > into it's own flesh and as a result will create a better balance of

> soil in

> > the intestines. That is why we go through the cycle of chelating

> mercury and

> > then killing candida and yeast over and over again. I'll explain this

> > farther sometime if anyone is interested, but you need a basic

> understanding

> > of pleomorphism (euroamericanhealth.com has a nice primer).

Nitrogenous

> > flesh with blood flowing through it, be it human, animal or plant

flesh

> > (chlorophyll is plant blood), reflects the terrain of the soil. The

> > microorganisms in cells (protits) can and do change the cells from

> viral to

> > bacteral to fungal based on the terrain (this can easily be observed

> with ph

> > changes). A simpler way to look at it is " things are always breaking

> down

> > and creating a balance in the soil " or " life is being creating

from the

> > soil " . The soil that a plants roots extend into and the soil that

flows

> > through our small intestine where our villi (roots) extend into

are very

> > similar. In the human body candida forms to digest (buffer) the

> mercury and

> > in " dying " creates better soil. In nature if you have rocks with high

> > mercury content, candida grows and breaks the rock down eventually

> back into

> > better soil.

> >

> > For fun, I put a side by side picture at this URL:

> > http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

<http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous>

> > On the left is candida in the human body, on the right is a

candida like

> > lichen growing on a rock with high mercury content near a mercury

mine.

> > Notice any similarity? This picture was from a USGOV study where

> they break

> > off the lichen/candida and measure the amount of mercury it has

> sucked up to

> > determine how toxic the area near the mine is.

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> >

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Ok, I'll try not to ask any questions. I would like to see if you

understand which points I don't agree with you on.

Here's one point:

> Anyway, Candida doesn't act like most yeasts. It can change from

>yeast to

> lichen depending on it's terrain (environment).

I don't agree with your use of the word lichen. I do agree with the

dictionary.com definitions of lichen.

If you changed that sentence to " It can change from yeast form to

pseudomycelial form depending on it's environment " , then I would

agree. I think that you are confused about what lichen is. I'm not

sure how to explain it to you.

If you have this paper, I'd really appreciate a copy of it:

> 4. Transformations of inorganic mercury by Candida albicans and

> Saccharomyces cerevisiae.

> S Yannai, I Berdicevsky, and L Duek

> Department of Food Engineering and Biotechnology, Technion-Israel

>Institute

> of Technology, Haifa.

Getting back to your statement that first caught my attention:

> > > Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

> > mercury, and

> > > then methylate it. This is why some people with amalgams or a

>>large

> > amount

> > > of mercury in their gut often are sensitive to probiotics, and

> >will get

> > > worse over time taking them.

Well, there are quite a few things in that statement that I am having

trouble with.

Probiotics are organisms that are found in the normal flora. If they

are busy chopping up Candida and methylating mercury they would have

it all done long before a person added any more in the form of

supplements.

I'm coming in this thread late and I wasn't paying attention to what

happened to you that got you thinking along these lines. I'm

suggesting that there may be some other theory to explain what

happened other than probiotics breaking candida cell walls and then

methylating mercury. Way too far fetched for me, sorry.

Regards

> >

> > > Valentina

> > >

> > > Anytime you have non-organic mercury candida will form around it and

> > suck it

> > > up into it's cells. Breaking the cell wall of candida releases the

> > mercury.

> > >

> > > Many people with mercury in their digestive tract, especially the

> > stomach,

> > > are sensitive to probiotics. As an example, if you had amalgams

> and were

> > > breathing mercury vapor, it would accumulate in the stomach. It

> > would slowly

> > > dissolve in hydrochloric acid to form mercuric salts (mercuric

> chloride,

> > > etc) and candida would replicate in a viral fashion to cover the

> > area and

> > > then begin to suck the mercury up into it's cells.

> > >

> > > Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

> > mercury, and

> > > then methylate it. This is why some people with amalgams or a large

> > amount

> > > of mercury in their gut often are sensitive to probiotics, and

> will get

> > > worse over time taking them. Sometimes they can take enteric coated

> > > probiotics without having a problem.

> > >

> > > Also taking something that displaces mercury (like zinc) along

> with the

> > > probiotics can make matters worse. Personally I go really easy on

> > probiotics

> > > or don't do them all all because of my large burden of mercury.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > >

> > >

> > > PS - I'm not sure how far down the rabbit hole to take you here, but

> > I will

> > > add that candida serves a valuable function in sucking inorganic

> > mercury up

> > > into it's plant cells. Basically it is digesting the mercury,

> > methylating it

> > > into it's own flesh and as a result will create a better balance of

> > soil in

> > > the intestines. That is why we go through the cycle of chelating

> > mercury and

> > > then killing candida and yeast over and over again. I'll explain

this

> > > farther sometime if anyone is interested, but you need a basic

> > understanding

> > > of pleomorphism (euroamericanhealth.com has a nice primer).

> Nitrogenous

> > > flesh with blood flowing through it, be it human, animal or plant

> flesh

> > > (chlorophyll is plant blood), reflects the terrain of the soil. The

> > > microorganisms in cells (protits) can and do change the cells from

> > viral to

> > > bacteral to fungal based on the terrain (this can easily be observed

> > with ph

> > > changes). A simpler way to look at it is " things are always breaking

> > down

> > > and creating a balance in the soil " or " life is being creating

> from the

> > > soil " . The soil that a plants roots extend into and the soil that

> flows

> > > through our small intestine where our villi (roots) extend into

> are very

> > > similar. In the human body candida forms to digest (buffer) the

> > mercury and

> > > in " dying " creates better soil. In nature if you have rocks with

high

> > > mercury content, candida grows and breaks the rock down eventually

> > back into

> > > better soil.

> > >

> > > For fun, I put a side by side picture at this URL:

> > > http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

> <http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous>

> > > On the left is candida in the human body, on the right is a

> candida like

> > > lichen growing on a rock with high mercury content near a mercury

> mine.

> > > Notice any similarity? This picture was from a USGOV study where

> > they break

> > > off the lichen/candida and measure the amount of mercury it has

> > sucked up to

> > > determine how toxic the area near the mine is.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I was just joking about the questions... most people I have worked closely

with know how hard it is for me to put things into words. I've struggled

with it all my life. Sometimes it wears me out. I used to hate doing patents

because I could see in my head how something obviously would work, but it

would take me months sometimes to figure out how to put it into language

that someone else could understand. I'd lay in bed with a pen and paper and

close my eyes and visualize it, then slowly try to write it down.

Even now, I see a unity of nature as a symphony of energy exchange in my

head. This is similar to how I felt and saw things as an autistic child. To

understand things as regular people explain them, I have always had to break

their words down and try to understand what part of nature they looked at to

arrive at their language. Then sometimes I could understand their model even

if I knew it wasn't exactly like it should be.

Anyway, enough about my dysfunctional mind...

I'm not exactly sure why you care about the word lichen or yeast? Maybe you

could explain it to me?

As far as I'm concerned the way you worded it, or most any other similar

wording is fine.

For me all I care about is that metals in the body cause yeast/lichen like

colonies to form and they process metals into their tissue with the result

sometimes causing thrush and with more growth can grow hyphae and mute into

a lichenous structure that can be more invasive to tissue (leaky gut, lichen

planus, lichenoids, etc). There are a lot of things I want to know about

candida, like how best to assist the body (terrain) in getting it out

without releasing the metals it has accumulated.

If you want a more accurate definition of lichen than dictionary.com, you

can look at the taxonomy database at http://www.itis.usda.gov but in my

opinion taxonomists are much more confused in their monomorphic model of

classification than I will ever be. LOL. The taxonomy of lichens is a

shifting and uncertain system. Some scientists categorize lichens in a

separate division of fungi, Lichenes, while others want lichens to be spread

out among the different divisions of the kingdom Fungi along with

un-lichenized fungi based on shared characteristics such as the structure of

reproductive apparatus. Just searching for the classification of

" kingdom=fungi " and " division=Ascomycota " (which matches candida) gives you

more than 10,000 lower classifications of class, subclass, order, suborder,

family, subfamily, tribe, subtribe, genus, subgenus, section, subsection,

species, subspecies, variety, subvariety, form, etc. LOL and everytime the

terrain changes they discover new ones, in the human body, in animals, and

when they go back into the forest... and then more names. If you can get

your mind around pleomorphic biology, you can see how pathetic this system

is for solving problems. Imagine taking a snapshot every 1 second of a plant

growing, and giving each snapshot a different name, and ending up with

bazillions of different names for stages of the same plant. That is what

monomorphic classifications systems do. Like the blind men feeling and

describing the elephant.

Anyway, I put the paper you asked for, Transformations of inorganic mercury

by Candida albicans and Saccharomyces cerevisiae at this URL:

http://www.mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

Cheers,

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of lindajaytee

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:15 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does and

doesn't do

Hi ,

Ok, I'll try not to ask any questions. I would like to see if you

understand which points I don't agree with you on.

Here's one point:

> Anyway, Candida doesn't act like most yeasts. It can change from

>yeast to

> lichen depending on it's terrain (environment).

I don't agree with your use of the word lichen. I do agree with the

dictionary.com definitions of lichen.

If you changed that sentence to " It can change from yeast form to

pseudomycelial form depending on it's environment " , then I would

agree. I think that you are confused about what lichen is. I'm not

sure how to explain it to you.

If you have this paper, I'd really appreciate a copy of it:

> 4. Transformations of inorganic mercury by Candida albicans and

> Saccharomyces cerevisiae.

> S Yannai, I Berdicevsky, and L Duek

> Department of Food Engineering and Biotechnology, Technion-Israel

>Institute

> of Technology, Haifa.

Getting back to your statement that first caught my attention:

> > > Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

> > mercury, and

> > > then methylate it. This is why some people with amalgams or a

>>large

> > amount

> > > of mercury in their gut often are sensitive to probiotics, and

> >will get

> > > worse over time taking them.

Well, there are quite a few things in that statement that I am having

trouble with.

Probiotics are organisms that are found in the normal flora. If they

are busy chopping up Candida and methylating mercury they would have

it all done long before a person added any more in the form of

supplements.

I'm coming in this thread late and I wasn't paying attention to what

happened to you that got you thinking along these lines. I'm

suggesting that there may be some other theory to explain what

happened other than probiotics breaking candida cell walls and then

methylating mercury. Way too far fetched for me, sorry.

Regards

> >

> > > Valentina

> > >

> > > Anytime you have non-organic mercury candida will form around it and

> > suck it

> > > up into it's cells. Breaking the cell wall of candida releases the

> > mercury.

> > >

> > > Many people with mercury in their digestive tract, especially the

> > stomach,

> > > are sensitive to probiotics. As an example, if you had amalgams

> and were

> > > breathing mercury vapor, it would accumulate in the stomach. It

> > would slowly

> > > dissolve in hydrochloric acid to form mercuric salts (mercuric

> chloride,

> > > etc) and candida would replicate in a viral fashion to cover the

> > area and

> > > then begin to suck the mercury up into it's cells.

> > >

> > > Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

> > mercury, and

> > > then methylate it. This is why some people with amalgams or a large

> > amount

> > > of mercury in their gut often are sensitive to probiotics, and

> will get

> > > worse over time taking them. Sometimes they can take enteric coated

> > > probiotics without having a problem.

> > >

> > > Also taking something that displaces mercury (like zinc) along

> with the

> > > probiotics can make matters worse. Personally I go really easy on

> > probiotics

> > > or don't do them all all because of my large burden of mercury.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > >

> > >

> > > PS - I'm not sure how far down the rabbit hole to take you here, but

> > I will

> > > add that candida serves a valuable function in sucking inorganic

> > mercury up

> > > into it's plant cells. Basically it is digesting the mercury,

> > methylating it

> > > into it's own flesh and as a result will create a better balance of

> > soil in

> > > the intestines. That is why we go through the cycle of chelating

> > mercury and

> > > then killing candida and yeast over and over again. I'll explain

this

> > > farther sometime if anyone is interested, but you need a basic

> > understanding

> > > of pleomorphism (euroamericanhealth.com has a nice primer).

> Nitrogenous

> > > flesh with blood flowing through it, be it human, animal or plant

> flesh

> > > (chlorophyll is plant blood), reflects the terrain of the soil. The

> > > microorganisms in cells (protits) can and do change the cells from

> > viral to

> > > bacteral to fungal based on the terrain (this can easily be observed

> > with ph

> > > changes). A simpler way to look at it is " things are always breaking

> > down

> > > and creating a balance in the soil " or " life is being creating

> from the

> > > soil " . The soil that a plants roots extend into and the soil that

> flows

> > > through our small intestine where our villi (roots) extend into

> are very

> > > similar. In the human body candida forms to digest (buffer) the

> > mercury and

> > > in " dying " creates better soil. In nature if you have rocks with

high

> > > mercury content, candida grows and breaks the rock down eventually

> > back into

> > > better soil.

> > >

> > > For fun, I put a side by side picture at this URL:

> > > http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

> <http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous>

> > > On the left is candida in the human body, on the right is a

> candida like

> > > lichen growing on a rock with high mercury content near a mercury

> mine.

> > > Notice any similarity? This picture was from a USGOV study where

> > they break

> > > off the lichen/candida and measure the amount of mercury it has

> > sucked up to

> > > determine how toxic the area near the mine is.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > >

> > >

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

And one other thng, since we know candida loves to feed on sugar as it sucks

those metals up into it's cells, I think if we discuss this more we should

meet at Starbucks and do it over a couple of grande Mocha Brownie

Frappuccinos, and I'll bring a dozen hot krispy kreme donuts

Cheers,

[Guest guest]

OMG, I just spit my venti double-caramel mochaccino half-caf latte with

sprinkles all over the keyboard….after I dropped my scone.

HYPERLINK " mailto:addison@... " addison@...

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Littleton

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:26 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does

and doesn't do

And one other thng, since we know candida loves to feed on sugar as it sucks

those metals up into it's cells, I think if we discuss this more we should

meet at Starbucks and do it over a couple of grande Mocha Brownie

Frappuccinos, and I'll bring a dozen hot krispy kreme donuts

Cheers,

[Guest guest]

I didn't see the 2nd part of your reply. Over the years from looking at

thousands of areas of science and nature and seeing similar patterns over

and over I have a developed a different way of looking at things when I am

trying to " kick things up a notch " and figure out how to improve a model or

to do something that has never been done before. My totally unproven and

ever evolving unified theory (I'll explain it if you want more info) that I

use to look at things. Anyway, here is my best guess using my theory.

Remember, it's just a theory and you don't have to agree.

Personally I think candida *is* a probiotic. It appears normally in the

flora in healthy people, but only appears in problem amounts when problem

amounts of mercury (or possibly other metals) are present. When metal is

present, the balance of flora changes and as you saw in the paper, candida

does a much more efficient job of processing mercury into its cells than

other probiotics. In low burdens of mercury I think candida works in the

body as part of the bodies natural way of handling this. So if candida has

" inhibited " other probiotic flora for a reason because it is processing the

metal terrain, then it is for a reason. Introducing large amounts of the

" inhibited " probiotics can methylate mercury but that can't bind them as

efficiently as candida causes problems two ways:

1) Either they encounter inorganic mercury not yet processed by candida and

methylate it and since they can't bind the result well causes it to be

redistributed

2) They merge with candida, breaking it down, and then potentially methylate

the free mercury and again, since they can't bind the result well causes it

to be redistributed.

Cheers.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of lindajaytee

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:15 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does and

doesn't do

Getting back to your statement that first caught my attention:

> > > Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

> > mercury, and

> > > then methylate it. This is why some people with amalgams or a

>>large

> > amount

> > > of mercury in their gut often are sensitive to probiotics, and

> >will get

> > > worse over time taking them.

Well, there are quite a few things in that statement that I am having

trouble with.

Probiotics are organisms that are found in the normal flora. If they

are busy chopping up Candida and methylating mercury they would have

it all done long before a person added any more in the form of

supplements.

I'm coming in this thread late and I wasn't paying attention to what

happened to you that got you thinking along these lines. I'm

suggesting that there may be some other theory to explain what

happened other than probiotics breaking candida cell walls and then

methylating mercury. Way too far fetched for me, sorry.

Regards

> >

> > > Valentina

> > >

> > > Anytime you have non-organic mercury candida will form around it and

> > suck it

> > > up into it's cells. Breaking the cell wall of candida releases the

> > mercury.

> > >

> > > Many people with mercury in their digestive tract, especially the

> > stomach,

> > > are sensitive to probiotics. As an example, if you had amalgams

> and were

> > > breathing mercury vapor, it would accumulate in the stomach. It

> > would slowly

> > > dissolve in hydrochloric acid to form mercuric salts (mercuric

> chloride,

> > > etc) and candida would replicate in a viral fashion to cover the

> > area and

> > > then begin to suck the mercury up into it's cells.

> > >

> > > Probiotics can break the cell wall of candida, and release the

> > mercury, and

> > > then methylate it. This is why some people with amalgams or a large

> > amount

> > > of mercury in their gut often are sensitive to probiotics, and

> will get

> > > worse over time taking them. Sometimes they can take enteric coated

> > > probiotics without having a problem.

> > >

> > > Also taking something that displaces mercury (like zinc) along

> with the

> > > probiotics can make matters worse. Personally I go really easy on

> > probiotics

> > > or don't do them all all because of my large burden of mercury.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > >

> > >

> > > PS - I'm not sure how far down the rabbit hole to take you here, but

> > I will

> > > add that candida serves a valuable function in sucking inorganic

> > mercury up

> > > into it's plant cells. Basically it is digesting the mercury,

> > methylating it

> > > into it's own flesh and as a result will create a better balance of

> > soil in

> > > the intestines. That is why we go through the cycle of chelating

> > mercury and

> > > then killing candida and yeast over and over again. I'll explain

this

> > > farther sometime if anyone is interested, but you need a basic

> > understanding

> > > of pleomorphism (euroamericanhealth.com has a nice primer).

> Nitrogenous

> > > flesh with blood flowing through it, be it human, animal or plant

> flesh

> > > (chlorophyll is plant blood), reflects the terrain of the soil. The

> > > microorganisms in cells (protits) can and do change the cells from

> > viral to

> > > bacteral to fungal based on the terrain (this can easily be observed

> > with ph

> > > changes). A simpler way to look at it is " things are always breaking

> > down

> > > and creating a balance in the soil " or " life is being creating

> from the

> > > soil " . The soil that a plants roots extend into and the soil that

> flows

> > > through our small intestine where our villi (roots) extend into

> are very

> > > similar. In the human body candida forms to digest (buffer) the

> > mercury and

> > > in " dying " creates better soil. In nature if you have rocks with

high

> > > mercury content, candida grows and breaks the rock down eventually

> > back into

> > > better soil.

> > >

> > > For fun, I put a side by side picture at this URL:

> > > http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

> <http://mastermindresearch.com/anonymous>

> > > On the left is candida in the human body, on the right is a

> candida like

> > > lichen growing on a rock with high mercury content near a mercury

> mine.

> > > Notice any similarity? This picture was from a USGOV study where

> > they break

> > > off the lichen/candida and measure the amount of mercury it has

> > sucked up to

> > > determine how toxic the area near the mine is.

> > >

> > > Cheers,

> > >

> > >

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Ok. Only problem is I can't do sugar or gluten. Maybe I'll have a

black decaf and some rice wafers

Thanks for the paper, . I'll reply when I get a chance.

Until starbucks then....

>

> And one other thng, since we know candida loves to feed on sugar as

it sucks

> those metals up into it's cells, I think if we discuss this more we

should

> meet at Starbucks and do it over a couple of grande Mocha Brownie

> Frappuccinos, and I'll bring a dozen hot krispy kreme donuts

>

> Cheers,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't do much sugar either, except a fountain coke now and then, but it

was a nice thought... Cheers,

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of lindajaytee

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:06 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does and

doesn't do

Ok. Only problem is I can't do sugar or gluten. Maybe I'll have a

black decaf and some rice wafers

Thanks for the paper, . I'll reply when I get a chance.

Until starbucks then....

>

> And one other thng, since we know candida loves to feed on sugar as

it sucks

> those metals up into it's cells, I think if we discuss this more we

should

> meet at Starbucks and do it over a couple of grande Mocha Brownie

> Frappuccinos, and I'll bring a dozen hot krispy kreme donuts

>

> Cheers,

>

>

>

>

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

,

I am starting to believe that you have a problem with understanding words that

sound alike.

Two words that sound alike might have different meanings. (I am sure you know

that, but just in case you don't... ) Sometimes, the same word can mean two

different thing.

Also, when somebody wants to describe a certain characteristic of an object (or

whatever) and they use expressions like " lichen-like " or " tomato-like " , it

doesn't mean that they are talking about lichens and/or tomatoes. It means that

they are using a certain characteristic of the like-object to describe the thing

they are talking about.

Also, lichens and candida are both fungi, but they are different.

As far as I'm concerned, I am pretty sure I will never grow mushrooms or

truffles in my intestines, just because they are fungi.

Valentina

>

> I'm not exactly sure why you care about the word lichen or yeast? Maybe you

> could explain it to me?

>

> As far as I'm concerned the way you worded it, or most any other similar

> wording is fine.

>

> For me all I care about is that metals in the body cause yeast/lichen like

> colonies to form and they process metals into their tissue with the result

> sometimes causing thrush and with more growth can grow hyphae and mute into

> a lichenous structure that can be more invasive to tissue (leaky gut, lichen

> planus, lichenoids, etc). There are a lot of things I want to know about

> candida, like how best to assist the body (terrain) in getting it out

> without releasing the metals it has accumulated.

>

> http://www.mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

>

> Cheers,

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just gave references that candida is classified as both a lichen and a

yeast. Seems no one is reading the references closely.

So what are you suggesting? When candida forms on mercury and is still in

yeast form, it is called a yeast infection, when it grows into a lichen in

the presence of more mercury it is called a lichen... such as lichen planus.

One article for example:

Oral Lichen Planus: Mercury and Its Kin

Paolo D. Pigatto, Gianpaolo Guzzi, and Gianluca Severi

Arch Dermatol. 2005;141:1472-1473.

Should we tell them to start calling candida that transforms to lichen form

on mercury " tomato planus " ?

Cheers.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Valentina Scharpf

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does

and doesn't do

,

I am starting to believe that you have a problem with understanding words

that

sound alike.

Two words that sound alike might have different meanings. (I am sure you

know

that, but just in case you don't... ) Sometimes, the same word can mean two

different thing.

Also, when somebody wants to describe a certain characteristic of an object

(or

whatever) and they use expressions like " lichen-like " or " tomato-like " , it

doesn't mean that they are talking about lichens and/or tomatoes. It means

that

they are using a certain characteristic of the like-object to describe the

thing

they are talking about.

Also, lichens and candida are both fungi, but they are different.

As far as I'm concerned, I am pretty sure I will never grow mushrooms or

truffles in my intestines, just because they are fungi.

Valentina

>

> I'm not exactly sure why you care about the word lichen or yeast? Maybe

you

> could explain it to me?

>

> As far as I'm concerned the way you worded it, or most any other similar

> wording is fine.

>

> For me all I care about is that metals in the body cause yeast/lichen like

> colonies to form and they process metals into their tissue with the result

> sometimes causing thrush and with more growth can grow hyphae and mute

into

> a lichenous structure that can be more invasive to tissue (leaky gut,

lichen

> planus, lichenoids, etc). There are a lot of things I want to know about

> candida, like how best to assist the body (terrain) in getting it out

> without releasing the metals it has accumulated.

>

> http://www.mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

>

> Cheers,

>

>

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

,

are you really saying that " lichen planus " is a lichen???

Sometimes, the word " lichen " is used to describe the appearance of... something.

The word " lichenoid " is used sometimes, again, to describe something that looks

like lichen.

IT DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN LICHEN!!

If you want me to read that article, you should post it. I am not going to

subscribe to that archive and I couldn't find it anywhere else. So...

You can be as sarcastic as you want. It doesn't really impress me...

Valentina

> I just gave references that candida is classified as both a lichen and a

> yeast. Seems no one is reading the references closely.

>

> So what are you suggesting? When candida forms on mercury and is still in

> yeast form, it is called a yeast infection, when it grows into a lichen in

> the presence of more mercury it is called a lichen... such as lichen planus.

> One article for example:

>

> Oral Lichen Planus: Mercury and Its Kin

> Paolo D. Pigatto, Gianpaolo Guzzi, and Gianluca Severi

> Arch Dermatol. 2005;141:1472-1473.

>

> Should we tell them to start calling candida that transforms to lichen form

> on mercury " tomato planus " ?

>

> Cheers.

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of Valentina Scharpf

> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:00 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does

> and doesn't do

>

> ,

> I am starting to believe that you have a problem with understanding words

> that

> sound alike.

> Two words that sound alike might have different meanings. (I am sure you

> know

> that, but just in case you don't... ) Sometimes, the same word can mean two

> different thing.

>

> Also, when somebody wants to describe a certain characteristic of an object

> (or

> whatever) and they use expressions like " lichen-like " or " tomato-like " , it

> doesn't mean that they are talking about lichens and/or tomatoes. It means

> that

> they are using a certain characteristic of the like-object to describe the

> thing

> they are talking about.

>

> Also, lichens and candida are both fungi, but they are different.

> As far as I'm concerned, I am pretty sure I will never grow mushrooms or

> truffles in my intestines, just because they are fungi.

>

> Valentina

>

> >

> > I'm not exactly sure why you care about the word lichen or yeast? Maybe

> you

> > could explain it to me?

> >

> > As far as I'm concerned the way you worded it, or most any other similar

> > wording is fine.

> >

> > For me all I care about is that metals in the body cause yeast/lichen like

> > colonies to form and they process metals into their tissue with the result

> > sometimes causing thrush and with more growth can grow hyphae and mute

> into

> > a lichenous structure that can be more invasive to tissue (leaky gut,

> lichen

> > planus, lichenoids, etc). There are a lot of things I want to know about

> > candida, like how best to assist the body (terrain) in getting it out

> > without releasing the metals it has accumulated.

> >

> > http://www.mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Valentina,

After re-reading my msg, it sounded a bit testy, so I want to apologize for

that.

The reason I wanted people to understand that Germ Theory and monomorphism

(one form) as they were taught is wrong, and that pleomorphism (many forms)

is a much better model is because we need to use that model to make

progress, and there is little chance of me being understood well when I talk

in that model unless you have a background on how things really work.

Protocols for balancing mercury are still pathetic and require tons of

guesswork. I need progress and so do all of you.

I've been struggling for 8 months to stay alive after methylating mercury

again and have made some progress, but not what I need to. Since people with

mercury are such creative out of the box thinkers I hoped you could read the

primer at http://explorepub.com/articles/enderlein3.html or

euroamericanhealth.com and help me think along those lines to improve

things. My skill was always the ability to get groups of people in different

areas of science (for example software and hardware engineers and chemists,

electricians, soil scientists) to see the unity or commonality in their

sciences. To break down the tower of babel a little. To show the brickmakers

and the tilemakers that didn't understand each others terms that basically

they both had made up words about the baking of mud. Once they saw that they

could talk to each other they figured out they had the answers all along, it

was just the naming of things that kept them from seeing it. Once they saw

this, they taught me too, and usually took things way beyond what I could

have ever done myself.

I've spent most of my life doing saunas, epsom salt baths, EDTA chelation,

DMPS, DMSA, ALA, and on and on just to frigging keep going. I probably have

more supplements scattered around the house than the local health food store

and have tried hundreds of protocols. I'm down to just doing 10 or so

supplements now and am making progress, but I want more progress on these

protocols, for them to be simpler and with sustainable reproducable results.

But for now I think I need to stop posting, as I'm getting frustrated. I've

gotten a lot of good information from you and the people on this list, and

for that I am really grateful.

Cheers,

Be sure that what you want to name is really new. A discovery at the far

edge of your specialization may be a common-place in someone else's.

Rediscovery leads to a proliferation of terms and obscures the unity of

knowledge across fields.

- vanLeunen - A Handbook for Scholars - Alfred A. Knopt, Inc 1976

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Littleton

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:28 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does

and doesn't do

I just gave references that candida is classified as both a lichen and a

yeast. Seems no one is reading the references closely.

So what are you suggesting? When candida forms on mercury and is still in

yeast form, it is called a yeast infection, when it grows into a lichen in

the presence of more mercury it is called a lichen... such as lichen planus.

One article for example:

Oral Lichen Planus: Mercury and Its Kin

Paolo D. Pigatto, Gianpaolo Guzzi, and Gianluca Severi

Arch Dermatol. 2005;141:1472-1473.

Should we tell them to start calling candida that transforms to lichen form

on mercury " tomato planus " ?

Cheers.

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Valentina Scharpf

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does

and doesn't do

,

I am starting to believe that you have a problem with understanding words

that

sound alike.

Two words that sound alike might have different meanings. (I am sure you

know

that, but just in case you don't... ) Sometimes, the same word can mean two

different thing.

Also, when somebody wants to describe a certain characteristic of an object

(or

whatever) and they use expressions like " lichen-like " or " tomato-like " , it

doesn't mean that they are talking about lichens and/or tomatoes. It means

that

they are using a certain characteristic of the like-object to describe the

thing

they are talking about.

Also, lichens and candida are both fungi, but they are different.

As far as I'm concerned, I am pretty sure I will never grow mushrooms or

truffles in my intestines, just because they are fungi.

Valentina

>

> I'm not exactly sure why you care about the word lichen or yeast? Maybe

you

> could explain it to me?

>

> As far as I'm concerned the way you worded it, or most any other similar

> wording is fine.

>

> For me all I care about is that metals in the body cause yeast/lichen like

> colonies to form and they process metals into their tissue with the result

> sometimes causing thrush and with more growth can grow hyphae and mute

into

> a lichenous structure that can be more invasive to tissue (leaky gut,

lichen

> planus, lichenoids, etc). There are a lot of things I want to know about

> candida, like how best to assist the body (terrain) in getting it out

> without releasing the metals it has accumulated.

>

> http://www.mastermindresearch.com/anonymous

>

> Cheers,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ;

Rather than saying that " people with mercury are such creative out of

the box thinkers " , I wonder whether it would be possible to say " many

geniuses are highly succeptible to mercury toxicity " ? Maybe we'll

never know.

Anyways I'd sure be interested in that top 10 list of supplements

because I think our house comes in 2nd place for the most supplements!

Mark

>

> Valentina,

>

> After re-reading my msg, it sounded a bit testy, so I want to

[Guest guest]

I don't know, according to this, all you have to wear is a mercury talisman

to enhance your mental ability.

Sure wish I had done it that way instead of with the real thing! It enhanced

my mental ability (I finished the entire world book encyclopedia set when I

was 4 years old), but I was barely aware of the outside world in normal ways

and didn't really make a friend until I was 14 years old. In restrospect I'm

sure happy and balanced is probably a lot better than smarter and

dysfunctional.

<http://www.mysticmountainjewelry.com/mercury_talisman.htm>

Cheers.

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of redrackem

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:10 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does and

doesn't do

Hi ;

Rather than saying that " people with mercury are such creative out of

the box thinkers " , I wonder whether it would be possible to say " many

geniuses are highly succeptible to mercury toxicity " ? Maybe we'll

never know.

Anyways I'd sure be interested in that top 10 list of supplements

because I think our house comes in 2nd place for the most supplements!

Mark

>

> Valentina,

>

> After re-reading my msg, it sounded a bit testy, so I want to

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Seems you don't even have to get toxic to be real creative. Just wear a

mercury talisman.

http://www.mysticmountainjewelry.com/mercury_talisman.htm

Sure wish I had done it this way instead of accumulating it for real at

birth and all during my life. Yeah, I got enhanced mental ability (read the

entire world book encyclopedia and all yearbooks by the time I was 4 years

old), but I was barely aware of the outside world, spoke in weird rhymes,

and didn't make a real friend until 14 years old. One thing I'm sure of is

that balanced and happy is better than bright and dysfunctional. Even though

I want both.LOL, so If I ever get fully detoxed and neurotypical I may buy

one of these...

I'll write up that list of supplements soon. Actually it would be fun to see

everyones list of TOP 10 supplements.

Cheers,

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of redrackem

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:10 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does and

doesn't do

Hi ;

Rather than saying that " people with mercury are such creative out of

the box thinkers " , I wonder whether it would be possible to say " many

geniuses are highly succeptible to mercury toxicity " ? Maybe we'll

never know.

Anyways I'd sure be interested in that top 10 list of supplements

because I think our house comes in 2nd place for the most supplements!

Mark

>

> Valentina,

>

> After re-reading my msg, it sounded a bit testy, so I want to

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[Guest guest]

And your parents thought what???? That you were the next Einstein?

Barb

[ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does and

> doesn't do

>

>

> Hi ;

>

> Rather than saying that " people with mercury are such creative out of

> the box thinkers " , I wonder whether it would be possible to say " many

> geniuses are highly succeptible to mercury toxicity " ? Maybe we'll

> never know.

>

> Anyways I'd sure be interested in that top 10 list of supplements

> because I think our house comes in 2nd place for the most supplements!

>

> Mark

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Valentina,

>>

>> After re-reading my msg, it sounded a bit testy, so I want to

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

my mom said she had no idea if I understood anything I read or not. It

wasn't until years of hard work, sweat on our farm that I became more

balanced and aware (and more verbal and ADHD). At that time she just knew if

she gave me books or blocks to build something with I would be content for

hours. I'm still not sure I understood what I read that well, LOL at that

time I just liked the vibrations of the words and the pictures which showed

me the similarity of things. It's kind of the same for me today. I have to

work so hard to understand words and the way other people see and state

things sometimes.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of jromkema

Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 9:15 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does

and doesn't do

And your parents thought what???? That you were the next Einstein?

Barb

[ ] Re: , lets figure out what candida does and

> doesn't do

>

>

> Hi ;

>

> Rather than saying that " people with mercury are such creative out of

> the box thinkers " , I wonder whether it would be possible to say " many

> geniuses are highly succeptible to mercury toxicity " ? Maybe we'll

> never know.

>

> Anyways I'd sure be interested in that top 10 list of supplements

> because I think our house comes in 2nd place for the most supplements!

>

> Mark

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Valentina,

>>

>> After re-reading my msg, it sounded a bit testy, so I want to

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>