Re: Help!! What am I doing wrong?? chelation/behaviors/wt.gain/insomnia

[Guest guest]

Carie,

I am no doctor, and I am sure others will have suggestions for you,

but have you had your son's thyroid checked recently?

Anne

>

> My sons total toxic representation is all the way across the page.

> scoring approx 98% toxic in alluminun,antimony and tin. 85% toxic

in

> arsenic, 65% toxic in mercury, 55% toxic in lead, etc.. So I know

> that chelating him is the best thing. He also has Aspergers

> Syndrome, ADHD and SID.

>

> We started chelating him with Dmsa 50mgs every 4 hours, 3 days on

> and 4 off on Aug 5th..10 weeks ago he was 77lbs at 9yrs. old

> Today he is 93lbs, a gain of 16 pounds in the last 2 1/2 months.

> He is constintely saying he is starving. We have found out he has

> been eating his breakfast at home, his packed lunch on the bus ride

> to school, his snack on his first break, a cafeteria lunch at noon,

> and then he hits the fridge when he comes home while Im at work.

How

> could he possibly be " starving " !

>

> He also has a sleep disorder ever since he was little called " he

> wont go to sleep unless I medicate him to sleep " disorder. We have

> lived with that just fine all these years. but he is sleeping in

> class, I thought due the 12am and 4am doses. But he is sleeping on

> other days in class on his off days too. (most likely due to

> teachers letting him on monday, so why not tues and so on)

>

> His behaviors are so bad, they are the worsed I have ever seen, at

> school, home, or public you name it. Yes I did think it was yeast.

> And I would use GSE...but I do not know how much and right now

> nothing is happening. There is non- compliance, fits on the floor,

> beligerant stand offs, horrible manners, silly/goofing off so bad

> that he literally looks like he's on drugs.

>

> We decided not to chelated on one of the weekends, saw no

difference.

> We decided to add ALA 50mgs with the Dmsa every 4 hours. Saw no

> difference except that he stayed awake all night despite the aterax

> for sleep we give him. He has been suspended for 4 days for

> covering 4 teachers head to toe in mud when they were outside

> chasing him trying to get him back in the school building after an

> ellopment issue.

>

> Can you tell I need help? Please This is not my child. I don't

want

> to give up chelation. The tests tell me he needs this.

> He has loads of other issues like viral (herpes cold sores) and

> allergies and I want to address them all at some time but I need to

> get control of this issue right now and want to know how to avoid

> this from ever happening again...while still being able to chelate

> him.

>

> C.F.

>

[Guest guest]

I think you need to lower the dose if he is that toxic and start very

slowly. I assume you are doing the 3 hours during the day/4 at night 3-day

cycle?

Make sure you are mineralizing, mineralizing, mineralizing during chelation

and on the off days.

Barb

[ ] Help!! What am I doing wrong??

chelation/behaviors/wt.gain/insomnia

> My sons total toxic representation is all the way across the page.

> scoring approx 98% toxic in alluminun,antimony and tin. 85% toxic in

> arsenic, 65% toxic in mercury, 55% toxic in lead, etc.. So I know

> that chelating him is the best thing. He also has Aspergers

> Syndrome, ADHD and SID.

>

> We started chelating him with Dmsa 50mgs every 4 hours, 3 days on

> and 4 off on Aug 5th..10 weeks ago he was 77lbs at 9yrs. old

> Today he is 93lbs, a gain of 16 pounds in the last 2 1/2 months.

> He is constintely saying he is starving. We have found out he has

> been eating his breakfast at home, his packed lunch on the bus ride

> to school, his snack on his first break, a cafeteria lunch at noon,

> and then he hits the fridge when he comes home while Im at work. How

> could he possibly be " starving " !

>

> He also has a sleep disorder ever since he was little called " he

> wont go to sleep unless I medicate him to sleep " disorder. We have

> lived with that just fine all these years. but he is sleeping in

> class, I thought due the 12am and 4am doses. But he is sleeping on

> other days in class on his off days too. (most likely due to

> teachers letting him on monday, so why not tues and so on)

>

> His behaviors are so bad, they are the worsed I have ever seen, at

> school, home, or public you name it. Yes I did think it was yeast.

> And I would use GSE...but I do not know how much and right now

> nothing is happening. There is non- compliance, fits on the floor,

> beligerant stand offs, horrible manners, silly/goofing off so bad

> that he literally looks like he's on drugs.

>

> We decided not to chelated on one of the weekends, saw no difference.

> We decided to add ALA 50mgs with the Dmsa every 4 hours. Saw no

> difference except that he stayed awake all night despite the aterax

> for sleep we give him. He has been suspended for 4 days for

> covering 4 teachers head to toe in mud when they were outside

> chasing him trying to get him back in the school building after an

> ellopment issue.

>

> Can you tell I need help? Please This is not my child. I don't want

> to give up chelation. The tests tell me he needs this.

> He has loads of other issues like viral (herpes cold sores) and

> allergies and I want to address them all at some time but I need to

> get control of this issue right now and want to know how to avoid

> this from ever happening again...while still being able to chelate

> him.

>

> C.F.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Mineralize during chelation? Do you mean during off days only?

Stefan

>

> I think you need to lower the dose if he is that toxic and start very

> slowly. I assume you are doing the 3 hours during the day/4 at night

3-day

> cycle?

>

> Make sure you are mineralizing, mineralizing, mineralizing during

chelation

> and on the off days.

>

> Barb

[Guest guest]

Carie,

I would agree that you need to lower the dose of chelator. Remember

that Andy explains that twice or three times as much chelator

doesn't mean that twice or three times as many metals are being

excreted. Using a much lower dose might make your son a lot more

comfortable and the possibility of continuing chelation much more

plausible. My son gets 6 mg each of ALA and DMSA per dose and we

worked up to that over 6 rounds. We just finished round 10 and I

have no intention of increasing it for some good while. He weighs

32 pounds.

About the GSE, Dana is the expert, but I started with 1 drop morning

one. 1 drop morning 2, 1 drop evening 2, and built up from their to

4 drops three times a day. Be sure that you are giving high count

probiotics AWAY from the GSE. And be giving lots of them.

I'm not sure about the food thing, but if someone is having yeast

overgrowth, they will be trying to feed that yeast the sugar it

wants. I've had yeast problems before and I would daydream about

chocolate bars. This may explain some or all of the eating. Yeast

might also explain the night waking/not sleeping problem.

Are you following Andy's recommendations for supplementing during

chelation? They are in the supplement file. From all reports,

chelation can be very uncomfortable without proper supplementation.

I'm sure that other people who have experience with viral issues

will help you, but I do know that there are many people who have

dealt with both simultaneously. I would recommend IMO that you try

to get the yeast, supplementation, and lowered dosing things worked

out first if you feel that they are issues.

Good luck,

Anita

>

> My sons total toxic representation is all the way across the page.

> scoring approx 98% toxic in alluminun,antimony and tin. 85% toxic

in

> arsenic, 65% toxic in mercury, 55% toxic in lead, etc.. So I know

> that chelating him is the best thing. He also has Aspergers

> Syndrome, ADHD and SID.

>

> We started chelating him with Dmsa 50mgs every 4 hours, 3 days on

> and 4 off on Aug 5th..10 weeks ago he was 77lbs at 9yrs. old

> Today he is 93lbs, a gain of 16 pounds in the last 2 1/2 months.

> He is constintely saying he is starving. We have found out he has

> been eating his breakfast at home, his packed lunch on the bus

ride

> to school, his snack on his first break, a cafeteria lunch at

noon,

> and then he hits the fridge when he comes home while Im at work.

How

> could he possibly be " starving " !

>

> He also has a sleep disorder ever since he was little called " he

> wont go to sleep unless I medicate him to sleep " disorder. We

have

> lived with that just fine all these years. but he is sleeping in

> class, I thought due the 12am and 4am doses. But he is sleeping

on

> other days in class on his off days too. (most likely due to

> teachers letting him on monday, so why not tues and so on)

>

> His behaviors are so bad, they are the worsed I have ever seen, at

> school, home, or public you name it. Yes I did think it was yeast.

> And I would use GSE...but I do not know how much and right now

> nothing is happening. There is non- compliance, fits on the

floor,

> beligerant stand offs, horrible manners, silly/goofing off so bad

> that he literally looks like he's on drugs.

>

> We decided not to chelated on one of the weekends, saw no

difference.

> We decided to add ALA 50mgs with the Dmsa every 4 hours. Saw no

> difference except that he stayed awake all night despite the

aterax

> for sleep we give him. He has been suspended for 4 days for

> covering 4 teachers head to toe in mud when they were outside

> chasing him trying to get him back in the school building after an

> ellopment issue.

>

> Can you tell I need help? Please This is not my child. I don't

want

> to give up chelation. The tests tell me he needs this.

> He has loads of other issues like viral (herpes cold sores) and

> allergies and I want to address them all at some time but I need

to

> get control of this issue right now and want to know how to avoid

> this from ever happening again...while still being able to chelate

> him.

>

> C.F.

>

[Guest guest]

Andy Cutler recommends giving supplements on both " on " and " off " days.

S S

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Mineralize during chelation?  Do you mean during off days only?<BR>

<BR>

Stefan<BR>

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> I think you need to lower the dose if he is that toxic and start very <BR>

> slowly.  I assume you are doing the 3 hours during the day/4 at night <BR>

3-day <BR>

> cycle?<BR>

> <BR>

> Make sure you are mineralizing, mineralizing, mineralizing during <BR>

chelation <BR>

> and on the off days.<BR>

> <BR>

> Barb<BR>

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[Guest guest]

Sounds like he would benefit from digestive enzymes and probably probiotics. It

doesn't matter how much one eats if the body can't digest it properly. Many on

this list use enzymes from HNI. Have you identified and reduced/removed sources

of exposure to the arsenic, mercury, and lead? I presume he has NO mercury

amalgam dental fillings and hasn't gotten any vaccines since you started

chelating...

S S

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My sons total toxic representation is all the way across the page. <BR>

scoring approx 98% toxic in alluminun,antimony and tin. 85% toxic in <BR>

arsenic, 65% toxic in mercury, 55% toxic in lead, etc..  So I know <BR>

that chelating him is the best thing. He also has Aspergers <BR>

Syndrome, ADHD and SID.<BR>

<BR>

We started chelating him with Dmsa 50mgs every 4 hours, 3 days on <BR>

and 4 off on Aug 5th..10 weeks ago he was 77lbs at 9yrs. old<BR>

Today he is 93lbs, a gain of 16 pounds in the last 2 1/2 months.<BR>

He is constintely saying he is starving. We have found out he has <BR>

been eating his breakfast at home, his packed lunch on the bus ride <BR>

to school, his snack on his first break, a cafeteria lunch at noon, <BR>

and then he hits the fridge when he comes home while Im at work. How <BR>

could he possibly be " starving " !  <BR>

<BR>

He also has a sleep disorder ever since he was little called " he <BR>

wont go to sleep unless I medicate him to sleep " disorder.  We have <BR>

lived with that just fine all these years. but he is sleeping in <BR>

class, I thought due the 12am and 4am doses.  But he is sleeping on <BR>

other days in class on his off days too. (most likely due to <BR>

teachers letting him on monday, so why not tues and so on) <BR>

<BR>

His behaviors are so bad, they are the worsed I have ever seen, at <BR>

school, home, or public you name it. Yes I did think it was yeast. <BR>

And I would use GSE...but I do not know how much and right now <BR>

nothing is happening.  There is non- compliance, fits on the floor, <BR>

beligerant stand offs, horrible manners, silly/goofing off so bad <BR>

that he literally looks like he's on drugs.<BR>

<BR>

We decided not to chelated on one of the weekends, saw no difference.<BR>

We decided to add ALA 50mgs with the Dmsa every 4 hours. Saw no <BR>

difference except that he stayed awake all night despite the aterax <BR>

for sleep we give him.  He has been suspended for 4 days for <BR>

covering 4 teachers head to toe in mud when they were outside <BR>

chasing him trying to get him back in the school building after an <BR>

ellopment issue.<BR>

<BR>

Can you tell I need help? Please  This is not my child. I don't want <BR>

to give up chelation. The tests tell me he needs this.<BR>

He has loads of other issues like viral (herpes cold sores) and <BR>

allergies and I want to address them all at some time but I need to <BR>

get control of this issue right now and want to know how to avoid <BR>

this from ever happening again...while still being able to chelate <BR>

him.<BR>

<BR>

C.F.<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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She means daily whether or not you are chelating. Give minerals during

chelation and after your round is complete.

Jackie---

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> Mineralize during chelation? Do you mean during off days only?

>

> Stefan

>

>

>>

>> I think you need to lower the dose if he is that toxic and start very

>> slowly. I assume you are doing the 3 hours during the day/4 at night

> 3-day

>> cycle?

>>

>> Make sure you are mineralizing, mineralizing, mineralizing during

> chelation

>> and on the off days.

>>

>> Barb

[Guest guest]

C.F.,

Is your son having bowel movements?

Everything you described sounds like one of my sons when he was very

impacted from chelating.

If he is impacted you could clean him out with enemas/suppositories.

Two days ago I tried a new one with my son. It's a Fleet liquid

glycerine suppository for babies/kids. The only ingredients are

purified water and glycerine. It worked VERY, VERY well within 1/2

an hour. It worked so well I had to give him an emergency bath and

break out the steam cleaner for the carpeting. And as soon as it

all came out he was like a different kid, my nice boy was back and

he isn't craving food all day long.

Good luck figuring this out,

>

> My sons total toxic representation is all the way across the page.

> scoring approx 98% toxic in alluminun,antimony and tin. 85% toxic

in

> arsenic, 65% toxic in mercury, 55% toxic in lead, etc.. So I know

> that chelating him is the best thing. He also has Aspergers

> Syndrome, ADHD and SID.

>

> We started chelating him with Dmsa 50mgs every 4 hours, 3 days on

> and 4 off on Aug 5th..10 weeks ago he was 77lbs at 9yrs. old

> Today he is 93lbs, a gain of 16 pounds in the last 2 1/2 months.

> He is constintely saying he is starving. We have found out he has

> been eating his breakfast at home, his packed lunch on the bus

ride

> to school, his snack on his first break, a cafeteria lunch at

noon,

> and then he hits the fridge when he comes home while Im at work.

How

> could he possibly be " starving " !

>

> He also has a sleep disorder ever since he was little called " he

> wont go to sleep unless I medicate him to sleep " disorder. We

have

> lived with that just fine all these years. but he is sleeping in

> class, I thought due the 12am and 4am doses. But he is sleeping

on

> other days in class on his off days too. (most likely due to

> teachers letting him on monday, so why not tues and so on)

>

> His behaviors are so bad, they are the worsed I have ever seen, at

> school, home, or public you name it. Yes I did think it was yeast.

> And I would use GSE...but I do not know how much and right now

> nothing is happening. There is non- compliance, fits on the

floor,

> beligerant stand offs, horrible manners, silly/goofing off so bad

> that he literally looks like he's on drugs.

>

> We decided not to chelated on one of the weekends, saw no

difference.

> We decided to add ALA 50mgs with the Dmsa every 4 hours. Saw no

> difference except that he stayed awake all night despite the

aterax

> for sleep we give him. He has been suspended for 4 days for

> covering 4 teachers head to toe in mud when they were outside

> chasing him trying to get him back in the school building after an

> ellopment issue.

>

> Can you tell I need help? Please This is not my child. I don't

want

> to give up chelation. The tests tell me he needs this.

> He has loads of other issues like viral (herpes cold sores) and

> allergies and I want to address them all at some time but I need

to

> get control of this issue right now and want to know how to avoid

> this from ever happening again...while still being able to chelate

> him.

>

> C.F.

>

[Guest guest]

> Today he is 93lbs, a gain of 16 pounds in the last 2 1/2 months.

> He is constintely saying he is starving.

For my son, this meant either he was eating foods or supplements he

did not tolerate, or he had a yeast overgrowth issue. Since you are

chelating, try increasing your son's yeast protocol, see if that helps.

> His behaviors are so bad, they are the worsed I have ever seen, at

> school, home, or public you name it. Yes I did think it was yeast.

> And I would use GSE...but I do not know how much and right now

> nothing is happening. There is non- compliance, fits on the floor,

> beligerant stand offs, horrible manners, silly/goofing off so bad

> that he literally looks like he's on drugs.

Definitely sounds like yeast. Also sounds like my son when I needed

to remove supplements.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all of your responses...I'll try to respond to all

questions.

anneecbyrnn: Yes I had his thyroid tested last year..all seemed

within normal limits. I am concerned about that because

hypothyroidism does run in our family..

jromkema: I was only dosing him every 4 hours, but I will start

doing it 3 hours during the day and 4 at night. I give him a

mulitvitamin every day that has minerals in it. It's Thorne's

citrate formula Basic Nutrients III without copper and iron. It

states it has Calcium 300mg, Iodine 225mcg, Magnesium 285mg, Zinc

15mg, Selenium 200mcg, Manganese 6mg, Chromium 200mcg, Molybdenum

100mcg, Potassium 90mg, Boron 3mg, Choline 100mg, Vanadium 100mcg.

I do suppliment him with additional calcium and magnesium. I wonder

if thats enough.

mysuperteach: I must be giving him too much. I could lower the ALA

to 25mg, but I thought 50mg would be ok to give. I had heard that it

suppose to be 1/2mg per pound.

Shepard: We had my son's amalgams removed last march. And I

haven't given him any vaccines since his 3rd DPT at 6 months old. I

haven't been very consistent with the enzymes I even wondered if

they did any good. I've done my best in removal of exposures, no

school wide flu shot program participation, went to glass cookware,

put a hypoallergenic non formaldyhyde mattress cover on his bed,

etc..

parent23angels: He says he has been having BM's. Sometimes they are

2 times a day.

dana: I have given him the one drop, two drop GSE. But like I said

nothing was happening. He can swallow pills so I gave him 125mg of

GSE caps a couple of times on thurs and today. Last night I gave

probiotics, but not at the same time as the GSE. I have limited his

sugar intake and snacking much to his dismay. I think I'm not going

to be able to do the chelation without having a specific diet along

with it. I don't know which one that will be. I only know of the

GFCF diet and the SCD diet. I'm still getting periods of non-

compliance and goofing off behavior, but over this fall break it is

starting to be managable. Today he seemed so tired and he took a 3

hour nap in the middle of the day. That never happens so I am

hoping that with lowering the chelating doses this weekend and uping

the yeast protocol and lowering his sugar intake he will be feeling

much better.

I appreciate the support...you guys really help me to refocus and by

getting answers so quickly...it helps me not to panic.

C.F.

> > Today he is 93lbs, a gain of 16 pounds in the last 2 1/2 months.

> > He is constintely saying he is starving.

>

>

> For my son, this meant either he was eating foods or supplements he

> did not tolerate, or he had a yeast overgrowth issue. Since you

are

> chelating, try increasing your son's yeast protocol, see if that

helps.

>

>

> > His behaviors are so bad, they are the worsed I have ever seen,

at

> > school, home, or public you name it. Yes I did think it was

yeast.

> > And I would use GSE...but I do not know how much and right now

> > nothing is happening. There is non- compliance, fits on the

floor,

> > beligerant stand offs, horrible manners, silly/goofing off so

bad

> > that he literally looks like he's on drugs.

>

>

> Definitely sounds like yeast. Also sounds like my son when I

needed

> to remove supplements.

>

> Dana

>