Re: All the viral stuff experts :) could you please take a look?

[Guest guest]

Okay, so not an expert but I can tell you what my plans are for my son if that

helps? I also figure he has latent virus problems since he was vaccinated with

live viruses. It just seems like a lot of them have it. I am thinking to do

the virastop protocal that others have found helpful. It seems like I read that

if they responded well to it that they likely have a problem, especially if they

regress when you lower the dosage. You may be able to find out more information

about the virastop on 's website. That is www.enzymestuff.com We have

limited funds for all of this and I figure it would be cheaper to try it out

than do testing first.

A good chiropractor that does muscle testing may also be able to help. Mine

has been very helpful.

I have done some testing with Great Plains Labs in the Kansas City area. My

insurance actually paid for a lot of it. I do remember some people doing virus

panels.

I wish I could be more of a help! If you searched virus panel in the archives

I wonder what would come up?

Wish you well!

Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote:

Well, I am asking you to take a look at a message that Kenny V sent

yesterday and didn't get any replies to and is in real need for some help.

He asked me for help off the list, but I am sorry to say I am really not

very knowledgeable into viral stuff, and am very sorry I cannot help.

Could somebody please help with some suggestions?

Thank you so much!!

Valentina

__________

Subject: Viral titer question

For those of you who have and are currently looking into viral

issues I would appreciate your advice.

I know there are many of you who have contributed much on viral

issues and have posted about it in length.

Also I have read the last contribution to the files section. Thank

you all so much for all of your efforts very informative.

Which brings me to ask my question.

We are currently chelating and will continue our course probably for

another year.

Since doing biomed. we have not done any form of testing in the past

4 years.

All our original testing was mostly allergy related and a few dealing

with gut and heavy metals.

Ok.. As far as I know my son doesn't fit the criteria for a viral kid

besides some food allergies as well as never sick. I do plan on

applying a natural anti- viral protocol to see if he responds before

moving more aggressively to an Rx form of therapy.

However I would still like to rule out viruses and would like to know

what is the best testing we should have done to see what course of

action should be taken?

I did read in the last helpful viral guide in the file section that

it would be best to have a plan of action in place and or a doctor

who would be familiar with this before testing.

(Which we really don't)

I had called our pervious Dan doc to ask what testing would be of a

benefit and a course of action they would take. But was not convinced

they had a clue as to what to recommend. I had mentioned I would like

to do a viral panel based on the vaccinations in which my son

received. . But they had to get back to me and actually called

another doc for their advice. They came back with doing an EV

(cluster lab core

or what ever that is . (Believe that would include EBV, HHV6,

Cytomeglma.

Does this make any sense to any of you since my son was not immunized

to these?

Or am I missing something?

I did read in Andy's book that these would be secondary diagnosis

criteria for ruling out heavy metal toxicity but we already know that

my son is heavy metal burdened and all currently chelating.

So I am not in any way comfortable with running any tests with out

hearing from those of you who have looked into this already.

Would it be more beneficial to do viral titers to those in which he

had received vaccinations to rule out these first?

Or does what has been suggested help us understand if we have

underlying viral issues?

Please help me understand this a little better. I would appreciate

any input for those of you who may have already crossed that bridge.

Thanks again

Kenny V

______________

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Kenny:

It is not absolutely nec to test as some kids who do not test with high viral

titers appear to be helped by some kind of viral treatment. A lot of my gd's

viral issues, per blood tests got sorted out with chelation, true for some kids,

not so true for others. She had every soft sign of viral problems, save for one.

Having said that, I believe Andy's rec is to use astragalus and echinacea one

week a month, alternately, of course. The antivirals work more efficiently

together, so good to combine. We have elderberry (the primary ingredient in

Sambucol) in her multi. Also, as you have read, no doubt, Andy recommends a 3

month trial of antivirals, and if you get no response, crossing it off.

Some are using Virastop, we have, and we have gotten some negs e.g a cold sore

(she never had one before, no family hist of cold sores whatsoever) and some

minor irritability.

The positives we got were: more mature, independent behavior. For example, and

ours just turned 5, she is now brushing her teeth and washing her hands without

being told, taking her own clothes out of the clothes basket and putting them

away and drying her own hair. Small things, but important. As a matter of fact,

I don't believe my daughter ever did the clothes thing until she was about 20,

lol.

The difference is that she has always resisted doing things for herself. So if

her hands were sticky, she would ask that we wipe them off, now she just goes to

the bathroom and washes them herself and will fight anyone who tries to help

(me, I did, ashamed to say). So, the maturity she is displaying is more

commensurate with her cognitive skills, now.

I have to add that we got almost the same improvements with Proboost Thymic

Protein A, as we have with the VS, however, it faded a little when the trial was

over, and the Proboost is about $135 a month, so pricey.

If you have any specific questions, please ask, but I think that is the jist of

the viral story. Perhaps others can approach it from another direction.

Viral titer question

For those of you who have and are currently looking into viral

issues I would appreciate your advice.

I know there are many of you who have contributed much on viral

issues and have posted about it in length.

Also I have read the last contribution to the files section. Thank

you all so much for all of your efforts very informative.

Which brings me to ask my question.

We are currently chelating and will continue our course probably for

another year.

Since doing biomed. we have not done any form of testing in the past

4 years.

All our original testing was mostly allergy related and a few dealing

with gut and heavy metals.

Ok.. As far as I know my son doesn't fit the criteria for a viral kid

besides some food allergies as well as never sick. I do plan on

applying a natural anti- viral protocol to see if he responds before

moving more aggressively to an Rx form of therapy.

However I would still like to rule out viruses and would like to know

what is the best testing we should have done to see what course of

action should be taken?

I did read in the last helpful viral guide in the file section that

it would be best to have a plan of action in place and or a doctor

who would be familiar with this before testing.

(Which we really don't)

I had called our pervious Dan doc to ask what testing would be of a

benefit and a course of action they would take. But was not convinced

they had a clue as to what to recommend. I had mentioned I would like

to do a viral panel based on the vaccinations in which my son

received. . But they had to get back to me and actually called

another doc for their advice. They came back with doing an EV

(cluster lab core

or what ever that is . (Believe that would include EBV, HHV6,

Cytomeglma.

Does this make any sense to any of you since my son was not immunized

to these?

Or am I missing something?

I did read in Andy's book that these would be secondary diagnosis

criteria for ruling out heavy metal toxicity but we already know that

my son is heavy metal burdened and all currently chelating.

So I am not in any way comfortable with running any tests with out

hearing from those of you who have looked into this already.

Would it be more beneficial to do viral titers to those in which he

had received vaccinations to rule out these first?

Or does what has been suggested help us understand if we have

underlying viral issues?

Please help me understand this a little better. I would appreciate

any input for those of you who may have already crossed that bridge.

Thanks again

Kenny V

______________

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

> Would it be more beneficial to do viral titers to those in which he

> had received vaccinations to rule out these first?

> Or does what has been suggested help us understand if we have

> underlying viral issues?

My experience was mixed -- n had a high titer for varicella (he

was vaxed for it) and for EBV, but not for measles (vaxed also). I

think really you aren't going to know until you run the tests, and my

only advice would be to test for as many viruses as possible just to

get it over with and have as much info as you can. Anne was able to

get this done locally which would be cheaper and much more convenient.

High-dose vit A is good for measles, I suspect Virastop is good for

EBV (not only that but I think that's what it helped for n). I'm

hoping that as time goes on the peeps on the list will be figuring out

more about which agents work best on which viruses, which agents are

broad-spectrum, etc.

The other route you could take is to forget the testing and do a trial

of Virastop or OLE and see what happens. It does seem that if your

child was vaxed and ended up on the spectrum, usually there are viral

as well as metal problems.

Nell

[Guest guest]

my best suggestion is the " premier autism panel " from immunosciences. i believe

dr mccandless helped to formulate this particular panel. lots of good info in

the panel but costly! i run to do stuff like this cause i have a genuine tough

nut and i need answers!

vicki

Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote:

Well, I am asking you to take a look at a message that Kenny V sent

yesterday and didn't get any replies to and is in real need for some help.

He asked me for help off the list, but I am sorry to say I am really not

very knowledgeable into viral stuff, and am very sorry I cannot help.

Could somebody please help with some suggestions?

Thank you so much!!

Valentina

__________

Subject: Viral titer question

For those of you who have and are currently looking into viral

issues I would appreciate your advice.

I know there are many of you who have contributed much on viral

issues and have posted about it in length.

Also I have read the last contribution to the files section. Thank

you all so much for all of your efforts very informative.

Which brings me to ask my question.

We are currently chelating and will continue our course probably for

another year.

Since doing biomed. we have not done any form of testing in the past

4 years.

All our original testing was mostly allergy related and a few dealing

with gut and heavy metals.

Ok.. As far as I know my son doesn't fit the criteria for a viral kid

besides some food allergies as well as never sick. I do plan on

applying a natural anti- viral protocol to see if he responds before

moving more aggressively to an Rx form of therapy.

However I would still like to rule out viruses and would like to know

what is the best testing we should have done to see what course of

action should be taken?

I did read in the last helpful viral guide in the file section that

it would be best to have a plan of action in place and or a doctor

who would be familiar with this before testing.

(Which we really don't)

I had called our pervious Dan doc to ask what testing would be of a

benefit and a course of action they would take. But was not convinced

they had a clue as to what to recommend. I had mentioned I would like

to do a viral panel based on the vaccinations in which my son

received. . But they had to get back to me and actually called

another doc for their advice. They came back with doing an EV

(cluster lab core

or what ever that is . (Believe that would include EBV, HHV6,

Cytomeglma.

Does this make any sense to any of you since my son was not immunized

to these?

Or am I missing something?

I did read in Andy's book that these would be secondary diagnosis

criteria for ruling out heavy metal toxicity but we already know that

my son is heavy metal burdened and all currently chelating.

So I am not in any way comfortable with running any tests with out

hearing from those of you who have looked into this already.

Would it be more beneficial to do viral titers to those in which he

had received vaccinations to rule out these first?

Or does what has been suggested help us understand if we have

underlying viral issues?

Please help me understand this a little better. I would appreciate

any input for those of you who may have already crossed that bridge.

Thanks again

Kenny V

______________

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Hi Kenny, I would agree, you really do not have to run

tests at all. Some kids showed no viral issues and

responded, if not recovered with anti-viral treatment.

What we did for starters was used a natural ant-viral

to see if Valtrex was the way to go. We used

Lauricidin for a short time only and within a week our

son had a rash and cold soars around the mouth 2X's.

That was our Q to get the Valtrex, we just had a hard

time getting a Rx from our Dr. Any how, this is what

we did to either rule out anti-viral or not. BTW he is

doing wonderful on Valtrex. There is a Valtrex

group, started up by a Father, who's son recovered

from Valtrex. I am not saying use Valtrex, if your

child is viral it would be a good thing to treat it.

HTH Good Luck

--- Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...>

wrote:

---------------------------------

Kenny:

It is not absolutely nec to test as some kids who do

not test with high viral titers appear to be helped by

some kind of viral treatment. A lot of my gd's viral

issues, per blood tests got sorted out with chelation,

true for some kids, not so true for others. She had

every soft sign of viral problems, save for one.

Having said that, I believe Andy's rec is to use

astragalus and echinacea one week a month,

alternately, of course. The antivirals work more

efficiently together, so good to combine. We have

elderberry (the primary ingredient in Sambucol) in her

multi. Also, as you have read, no doubt, Andy

recommends a 3 month trial of antivirals, and if you

get no response, crossing it off.

Some are using Virastop, we have, and we have gotten

some negs e.g a cold sore (she never had one before,

no family hist of cold sores whatsoever) and some

minor irritability.

The positives we got were: more mature, independent

behavior. For example, and ours just turned 5, she is

now brushing her teeth and washing her hands without

being told, taking her own clothes out of the clothes

basket and putting them away and drying her own hair.

Small things, but important. As a matter of fact, I

don't believe my daughter ever did the clothes thing

until she was about 20, lol.

The difference is that she has always resisted doing

things for herself. So if her hands were sticky, she

would ask that we wipe them off, now she just goes to

the bathroom and washes them herself and will fight

anyone who tries to help (me, I did, ashamed to say).

So, the maturity she is displaying is more

commensurate with her cognitive skills, now.

I have to add that we got almost the same improvements

with Proboost Thymic Protein A, as we have with the

VS, however, it faded a little when the trial was

over, and the Proboost is about $135 a month, so

pricey.

If you have any specific questions, please ask, but I

think that is the jist of the viral story. Perhaps

others can approach it from another direction.

Viral titer question

For those of you who have and are currently

looking into viral

issues I would appreciate your advice.

I know there are many of you who have contributed

much on viral

issues and have posted about it in length.

Also I have read the last contribution to the files

section. Thank

you all so much for all of your efforts very

informative.

Which brings me to ask my question.

We are currently chelating and will continue our

course probably for

another year.

Since doing biomed. we have not done any form of

testing in the past

4 years.

All our original testing was mostly allergy related

and a few dealing

with gut and heavy metals.

Ok.. As far as I know my son doesn't fit the

criteria for a viral kid

besides some food allergies as well as never sick. I

do plan on

applying a natural anti- viral protocol to see if he

responds before

moving more aggressively to an Rx form of therapy.

However I would still like to rule out viruses and

would like to know

what is the best testing we should have done to see

what course of

action should be taken?

I did read in the last helpful viral guide in the

file section that

it would be best to have a plan of action in place

and or a doctor

who would be familiar with this before testing.

(Which we really don't)

I had called our pervious Dan doc to ask what

testing would be of a

benefit and a course of action they would take. But

was not convinced

they had a clue as to what to recommend. I had

mentioned I would like

to do a viral panel based on the vaccinations in

which my son

received. . But they had to get back to me and

actually called

another doc for their advice. They came back with

doing an EV

(cluster lab core

or what ever that is . (Believe that would include

EBV, HHV6,

Cytomeglma.

Does this make any sense to any of you since my son

was not immunized

to these?

Or am I missing something?

I did read in Andy's book that these would be

secondary diagnosis

criteria for ruling out heavy metal toxicity but we

already know that

my son is heavy metal burdened and all currently

chelating.

So I am not in any way comfortable with running any

tests with out

hearing from those of you who have looked into this

already.

Would it be more beneficial to do viral titers to

those in which he

had received vaccinations to rule out these first?

Or does what has been suggested help us understand

if we have

underlying viral issues?

Please help me understand this a little better. I

would appreciate

any input for those of you who may have already

crossed that bridge.

Thanks again

Kenny V

______________

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all your suggestions please keep them coming.

We will be trying an anti viral protocol that is natural before

proceeding to an Rx approach.

But again id like to at least have one round of tests to rule out any

virus that may be serious. That we may have an idea on a treatment

plan.

I know that testing is not all that conclusive, however I have heard

that if you have either high titers to a virus or low immunity to one

you have been vaccinated, than that is a good indicator as well.

Again if anyone has already been there what tests are the best to

have. Based on what I was told

Either

A. They came back with doing an EV (cluster lab core or what ever

that is. (Believe that would include EBV, HHV6, Cytomeglma.

Or

B Would it be more beneficial to do viral titers to those in which

he had received vaccinations to rule out these first?

****** Please see below*****

>

> my best suggestion is the " premier autism panel " from

immunosciences. i believe dr mccandless helped to formulate this

particular panel. lots of good info in the panel but costly! i run

to do stuff like this cause i have a genuine tough nut and i need

answers!

>

> vicki

Vicki

If I may ask

How much do these cost, and do you know all what they test for?

Link/ description

Thanks

Kenny V

>

> Subject: Viral titer question

>

> For those of you who have and are currently looking into viral

> issues I would appreciate your advice.

>

> I know there are many of you who have contributed much on viral

> issues and have posted about it in length.

> Also I have read the last contribution to the files section. Thank

> you all so much for all of your efforts very informative.

> Which brings me to ask my question.

> We are currently chelating and will continue our course probably for

> another year.

> Since doing biomed. we have not done any form of testing in the

past

> 4 years.

> All our original testing was mostly allergy related and a few

dealing

> with gut and heavy metals.

>

> Ok.. As far as I know my son doesn't fit the criteria for a viral

kid

> besides some food allergies as well as never sick. I do plan on

> applying a natural anti- viral protocol to see if he responds before

> moving more aggressively to an Rx form of therapy.

>

> However I would still like to rule out viruses and would like to

know

> what is the best testing we should have done to see what course of

> action should be taken?

>

> I did read in the last helpful viral guide in the file section that

> it would be best to have a plan of action in place and or a doctor

> who would be familiar with this before testing.

> (Which we really don't)

> I had called our pervious Dan doc to ask what testing would be of

a

> benefit and a course of action they would take. But was not

convinced

> they had a clue as to what to recommend. I had mentioned I would

like

> to do a viral panel based on the vaccinations in which my son

> received. . But they had to get back to me and actually called

> another doc for their advice. They came back with doing an EV

> (cluster lab core

> or what ever that is . (Believe that would include EBV, HHV6,

> Cytomeglma.

>

> Does this make any sense to any of you since my son was not

immunized

> to these?

> Or am I missing something?

>

> I did read in Andy's book that these would be secondary diagnosis

> criteria for ruling out heavy metal toxicity but we already know

that

> my son is heavy metal burdened and all currently chelating.

>

> So I am not in any way comfortable with running any tests with out

> hearing from those of you who have looked into this already.

>

> Would it be more beneficial to do viral titers to those in which

he

> had received vaccinations to rule out these first?

> Or does what has been suggested help us understand if we have

> underlying viral issues?

>

> Please help me understand this a little better. I would appreciate

> any input for those of you who may have already crossed that bridge.

>

> Thanks again

> Kenny V

>

> ______________

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think I responded to this once before, but my feeling is that if

you are going to do a blood draw, get as much testing out of it as

possible. We tested for HHV6, CMV, EBV, Herpes1 and 2, Measles, and

probably some others I can't think of now. From my research there

are 8 known herpes viruses. You might check for all of them?

Anne

> >

> > my best suggestion is the " premier autism panel " from

> immunosciences. i believe dr mccandless helped to formulate this

> particular panel. lots of good info in the panel but costly! i

run

> to do stuff like this cause i have a genuine tough nut and i need

> answers!

> >

> > vicki

>

>

> Vicki

> If I may ask

> How much do these cost, and do you know all what they test for?

> Link/ description

>

>

> Thanks

> Kenny V

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Subject: Viral titer question

> >

> > For those of you who have and are currently looking into viral

> > issues I would appreciate your advice.

> >

> > I know there are many of you who have contributed much on viral

> > issues and have posted about it in length.

> > Also I have read the last contribution to the files section. Thank

> > you all so much for all of your efforts very informative.

> > Which brings me to ask my question.

> > We are currently chelating and will continue our course probably

for

> > another year.

> > Since doing biomed. we have not done any form of testing in the

> past

> > 4 years.

> > All our original testing was mostly allergy related and a few

> dealing

> > with gut and heavy metals.

> >

> > Ok.. As far as I know my son doesn't fit the criteria for a viral

> kid

> > besides some food allergies as well as never sick. I do plan on

> > applying a natural anti- viral protocol to see if he responds

before

> > moving more aggressively to an Rx form of therapy.

> >

> > However I would still like to rule out viruses and would like to

> know

> > what is the best testing we should have done to see what course of

> > action should be taken?

> >

> > I did read in the last helpful viral guide in the file section

that

> > it would be best to have a plan of action in place and or a doctor

> > who would be familiar with this before testing.

> > (Which we really don't)

> > I had called our pervious Dan doc to ask what testing would be

of

> a

> > benefit and a course of action they would take. But was not

> convinced

> > they had a clue as to what to recommend. I had mentioned I would

> like

> > to do a viral panel based on the vaccinations in which my son

> > received. . But they had to get back to me and actually called

> > another doc for their advice. They came back with doing an EV

> > (cluster lab core

> > or what ever that is . (Believe that would include EBV, HHV6,

> > Cytomeglma.

> >

> > Does this make any sense to any of you since my son was not

> immunized

> > to these?

> > Or am I missing something?

> >

> > I did read in Andy's book that these would be secondary diagnosis

> > criteria for ruling out heavy metal toxicity but we already know

> that

> > my son is heavy metal burdened and all currently chelating.

> >

> > So I am not in any way comfortable with running any tests with out

> > hearing from those of you who have looked into this already.

> >

> > Would it be more beneficial to do viral titers to those in

which

> he

> > had received vaccinations to rule out these first?

> > Or does what has been suggested help us understand if we have

> > underlying viral issues?

> >

> > Please help me understand this a little better. I would appreciate

> > any input for those of you who may have already crossed that

bridge.

> >

> > Thanks again

> > Kenny V

> >

> > ______________

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Since doing biomed. we have not done any form of testing in the past

> 4 years.

I have never tested any of my kids.

> Ok.. As far as I know my son doesn't fit the criteria for a viral kid

> besides some food allergies as well as never sick.

Never sick is one of the common symptoms.

I do plan on

> applying a natural anti- viral protocol to see if he responds before

> moving more aggressively to an Rx form of therapy.

I use OLE, ViraStop, and recently Lauricidin.

> However I would still like to rule out viruses and would like to know

> what is the best testing we should have done to see what course of

> action should be taken?

I know Dr. McCandless recommends a viral panel from Immunosciences Lab.

> to do a viral panel based on the vaccinations in which my son

> received.

I don't believe a " titers " test is the same as a viral panel.

> Would it be more beneficial to do viral titers to those in which he

> had received vaccinations to rule out these first?

> Or does what has been suggested help us understand if we have

> underlying viral issues?

It depends on which viruses you want to test for. The

vaccination-related viruses like measles, or other types of viruses

like herpes.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> I don't believe a " titers " test is the same as a viral panel.

I was wondering about this. Do you know how they're different?

Nell

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all your contributions, but I am still not settled as

to what is the first course of action would be.

(Please help me sort this all out)

You guys (well mostly Gals) have been my only means of support. Long

story sure ya all heard it by now

Doc dropped the ball with chelation at 5.5 years old. So…

oooooooooooooh!

We have been focusing on chelation like clockwork the past year.

Coming up on 50 rounds since returning to chelation this March.

Thanks to Andy and you all.

Btw my son is doing well and we definitely see him start to blossom

in many areas of self-dependence, maturity, academics, language, as

well as school program. However he has a way to go with areas of

correct socialization.

My son will be 8 years old this Mach so I am going through the

reality that we need an another short miracle to advance him further.

So of course we have been eating sleeping and focusing on chelation

gaining grounds with every round. But I am also afraid that we will

have lost some ground again with a possibly underlying virus issue.

Like I had said we will try an anti viral protocol first before

moving to aggressive one. However I want to stay on course with

chelation not to loose one round. Don't want to do many (big)

interventions together. Right Now we plan on doing mHBOT starting

April and will stop chelating as well as Mb12's at that time.

Again to see how he does with one intervention.

So what I would like to sort out is what we may do next. Need to be

ahead of the curve Bc I no longer consider to be aided by a treating

Physician. Just Natural instinct, lots of prayers and all you guys

that have been there all along.

Anyway what I wanted was advice as far as viral testing for those of

you who have already done this. Believe me we are not into testing

and what we have gone through years ago with my son.

However I would like to at least do this ONCE and if we are going to

do.

I would like it to be the RIGHT tests from the right place.

Our doc was going to do a cluster lab core? From (MDL)

But I have heard that was no good and bad reports about the lab too.

So if anyone may suggest what may be for our better interest please

don't be shy

All responses welcomed.

As always thanks for all your support

Kenny v

- In , " Anita Kugelstadt "

<mysuperteach@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Kenny,

>

> Sorry to have taken so long to respond. I'll tell you what

happened

> here, although I'm not at all expert. I didn't have my son tested

> for viruses in any helpful way. At the labs here in Canada (I

> *think it's all of Canada) you can't get numbers to go with the

> tests--only positive or negative. This isn't helpful. Plus I only

> asked for IgG (this was before I wrote the file, ugh.) My son had

no

> signs of viral issues other than an inability to maintain progress

> (although with chelation things were better, but not what I had

> expected). I have obsessing, however, about the fact that I

> dutifully took him in for his MMR only 6 weeks after he had a

brutal

> case of chicken pox. I believe now that this may have had

something

> to do with his autism, even though after that he was still very

much

> a talking, happy, interacting boy.

>

> Anyway, I used a natural antiviral protocol. Virastop, lauricidin,

> OLE and sambucol. He had a huge reaction (high fevers, lethargy,

> vomiting, rash, wierd behaviour, etc). I stopped the protocol

> because I wasn't prepared for such a bad reaction. This was a

> mistake.

>

> I will be starting a a viral protocol again. This time much slower

> and with a much more aggressive yeast protocol in place. Yeast was

> unbelievable. I've been chelating with oral DMSA/ALA and we never

> had yeast even close to this. I really CANNOT emphasize this

enough.

>

> If you can get free viral testing, I'd say go for it. If you

can't,

> IMO, some of the viruses we may be fighting aren't even on the map

> yet, and the tests aren't going to help with those, so save your

> money for other things. Also, this stuff is so new that no one is

> really sure what supplement/medication works for what virus or

virus

> combo, so, IMO, it's kind of like chelating. Try it a safe and

> sensible way to see if it works, regardless of the tests.

>

> Using the natural antivirals really seemed efficacious here, and

> when I start the viral protocol again I will be better prepared. A

> big part of this is mental preparation. While chelating, I take

> every step to make sure my son won't suffer in any way. I don't

> think this is possible during the viral protocol--some suffering

> will be necessary, and this comes very close to being intolerable

> for me.

>

> I wish you luck. I'm glad the viral file was of some help to you.

> I'll be updating it soon, adding in stuff I've discovered/learned

> lately.

>

> Best wishes, Kenny.

>

> Anita

>

>

> >

> > Please help me understand this a little better. I would appreciate

> > any input for those of you who may have already crossed that

> bridge.

> >

> > Thanks again

> > Kenny V

> >

> > ______________

> >

>

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>

> > I don't believe a " titers " test is the same as a viral panel.

>

> I was wondering about this. Do you know how they're different?

>

I don't know much about tests, but I think the titers test is testing

for antibodies? But the " other virus tests " are testing for presence

of the viruses? Not sure, but maybe.

Anyway, I have never heard of testing titers for any viruses other

than those for which there are vaccines.

Dana