Re: OT: Pam/High Eosinophils- CBC w/differential

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

If you do a simple Google, elevated eosinophils brings up discussion

of parasites. Every MD I spoke to mentioned allergies and parasites

in the same breath.

It certainly could be that it typically indicates allergies,

especially if your child DOES have allergies (my son doesn't present

himself that way). Our EOS were 15.

If you don't have any other symptoms of parasites, then I might not

get too concerned. If he has stomach pain, changes in bowel

movements, itchy anus, sleep disturbances and/or chronic yeast

overgrowth, then you might want to do some testing or even just a

trial round of Vermox (for those who are convinced it is worms).

It is apparently NOT common to see the white thread-like worms in

the stool, but you certainly can start checking. You can also play

detective and take a flashlight to his rear-end while he is sound

asleep (good luck with THAT one!) since the worms come out at night

to breed and feed.

Ick. Great morning conversation. We are in the middle of re-

treating the family with Vermox since my daughter started itching

like mad a few weeks ago. *sigh*

Take care,

Pam

>

> Pam,

> though you can explain more about your experience with

high eosinophils related to parasites from the CBC with

differential. When we did my son's baseline testing, his CBC

w/differential indicated his eosinophils to be 19.3 ref range of

[0.0 - 4.0]. When I questioned the dr, he indicated that high

eosinophils typically indicate a person has allergies nothing about

the possibility of parasites.

>

> Thanks for sharing your insight!

>

> Jackie---

> jhines@...

>

> " In God We Trust - All Others Bring Data! " - W. Deming

>

>

[Guest guest]

> When we did my son's baseline testing, his CBC w/differential indicated his

eosinophils to be 19.3 ref range of [0.0 - 4.0].

I too knew that increased number of eosinophils are produced in the body for

fighting parasites, but it could indicate other things too, like viral infection

and inflammation. My son had high eosinophils (not such high number) and he did

have worms.

Is your son having asthma like problems with this high number?

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Really? In my reading, I only came across two reasons for high esophinils,

allergies and parasites. I thought the markers for viral were lymphocytes and

neutrophils, think Andy said this. He does talk about this in his book, Amalgam

Illness.

Re: [ ] OT: Pam/High Eosinophils- CBC w/differential

> When we did my son's baseline testing, his CBC w/differential indicated his

eosinophils to be 19.3 ref range of [0.0 - 4.0].

I too knew that increased number of eosinophils are produced in the body for

fighting parasites, but it could indicate other things too, like viral infection

and inflammation. My son had high eosinophils (not such high number) and he did

have worms.

Is your son having asthma like problems with this high number?

Valentina

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

This is what I read, . I have no idea how accurate some of these internet

places are.

When my son's results came and I've seen the high eosinophils (this was about 5

years ago) I started researching. So I came across lots of information. How

accurate is this.... I don't know. But my understanding is that our body

manufactures more

eusinophils to fight worms. This is their natural meaning. But the eusinophils

also have RNases and DNases which are enzyme that breakdown RNA and DNA so they

must have a role in viral infections.

Again, I don't know how true this is. This is just what I read in different

places. If you want, I am sure I can dig out some links Just let me know.

Valentina

> Really? In my reading, I only came across two reasons for high esophinils,

allergies and parasites. I thought the markers for viral were lymphocytes and

neutrophils, think Andy said this. He does talk about this in his book, Amalgam

Illness.

>

> > When we did my son's baseline testing, his CBC w/differential indicated

his eosinophils to be 19.3 ref range of [0.0 - 4.0].

>

> I too knew that increased number of eosinophils are produced in the body for

fighting parasites, but it could indicate other things too, like viral infection

and inflammation. My son had high eosinophils (not such high number) and he did

have worms.

> Is your son having asthma like problems with this high number?

>

> Valentina

>

[Guest guest]

Just to add to this discussion, I just asked our DAN if there were

any markers for parasites other than the usual symptoms...and she

said high eosinophils. I would look into a herbal remedy to combat

parasites (I am already doing this)...such as ia. We will also

do a parasite cleanse, waiting for the right time.

Kim

>

> Really? In my reading, I only came across two reasons for high

esophinils, allergies and parasites. I thought the markers for viral

were lymphocytes and neutrophils, think Andy said this. He does talk

about this in his book, Amalgam Illness.

>

>

> Re: [ ] OT: Pam/High Eosinophils- CBC

w/differential

>

>

> > When we did my son's baseline testing, his CBC w/differential

indicated his eosinophils to be 19.3 ref range of [0.0 - 4.0].

>

> I too knew that increased number of eosinophils are produced in

the body for fighting parasites, but it could indicate other things

too, like viral infection and inflammation. My son had high

eosinophils (not such high number) and he did have worms.

> Is your son having asthma like problems with this high number?

>

>

> Valentina

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, he used to pick at his butt (appeared to be underwear issues... but I

wonder) but has never had issues with yeast, bowels itchy anus or sleeping

issues. When we went to the new DAN!, they even checked hit butt for a red

ring, but I assume this was for yeast issues over parasites...

The only way I am going to be able to check his butt is to convince him to

sleep with no underwear on! LOL ) I don't think this is going to happen

anytime soon for my almost 7 yo. I always am observant of his stools since

he still needs help wiping... I hate to be graphic here, what kind of

'itching like mad' does she do? Is Vermox OTC??? I'll check into this and

ask my ND that I trust!

Thanks for your help! This is nothing but a pain in the a--! Literally!

Jackie---

----- Original Message -----

From: " noaholiviaian " <phaselow@...>

> If you do a simple Google, elevated eosinophils brings up discussion

> of parasites. Every MD I spoke to mentioned allergies and parasites

> in the same breath.

>

> It certainly could be that it typically indicates allergies,

> especially if your child DOES have allergies (my son doesn't present

> himself that way). Our EOS were 15.

>

> If you don't have any other symptoms of parasites, then I might not

> get too concerned. If he has stomach pain, changes in bowel

> movements, itchy anus, sleep disturbances and/or chronic yeast

> overgrowth, then you might want to do some testing or even just a

> trial round of Vermox (for those who are convinced it is worms).

>

> It is apparently NOT common to see the white thread-like worms in

> the stool, but you certainly can start checking. You can also play

> detective and take a flashlight to his rear-end while he is sound

> asleep (good luck with THAT one!) since the worms come out at night

> to breed and feed.

>

> Ick. Great morning conversation. We are in the middle of re-

> treating the family with Vermox since my daughter started itching

> like mad a few weeks ago. *sigh*

>

> Take care,

>

> Pam

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

just so you know, my son had lots of worms and he never had any kind of itch.

I've never seen anything crawling out of his... stuff, either nothing of the

usual signs. He did have rashes though. We've decided to do a test because my

understanding is that 80% of people have them.

Before chelation, NOTHING worked to treat parasites. Absolutely nothing. We

tried natural remedies and drugs. Everything just made him sick, vomiting, and

the worms were still there. After we started chelation, the tests didn't show

worms anymore (and I was not giving any treatment for worms anymore).

Valentina

> Okay, he used to pick at his butt (appeared to be underwear issues... but I

> wonder) but has never had issues with yeast, bowels itchy anus or sleeping

> issues. When we went to the new DAN!, they even checked hit butt for a red

> ring, but I assume this was for yeast issues over parasites...

>

> The only way I am going to be able to check his butt is to convince him to

> sleep with no underwear on! LOL ) I don't think this is going to happen

> anytime soon for my almost 7 yo. I always am observant of his stools since

> he still needs help wiping... I hate to be graphic here, what kind of

> 'itching like mad' does she do? Is Vermox OTC??? I'll check into this and

> ask my ND that I trust!

>

> Thanks for your help! This is nothing but a pain in the a--! Literally!

>

> Jackie---

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " noaholiviaian " <phaselow@...>

> > If you do a simple Google, elevated eosinophils brings up discussion

> > of parasites. Every MD I spoke to mentioned allergies and parasites

> > in the same breath.

> >

> > It certainly could be that it typically indicates allergies,

> > especially if your child DOES have allergies (my son doesn't present

> > himself that way). Our EOS were 15.

> >

> > If you don't have any other symptoms of parasites, then I might not

> > get too concerned. If he has stomach pain, changes in bowel

> > movements, itchy anus, sleep disturbances and/or chronic yeast

> > overgrowth, then you might want to do some testing or even just a

> > trial round of Vermox (for those who are convinced it is worms).

> >

> > It is apparently NOT common to see the white thread-like worms in

> > the stool, but you certainly can start checking. You can also play

> > detective and take a flashlight to his rear-end while he is sound

> > asleep (good luck with THAT one!) since the worms come out at night

> > to breed and feed.

> >

> > Ick. Great morning conversation. We are in the middle of re-

> > treating the family with Vermox since my daughter started itching

> > like mad a few weeks ago. *sigh*

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> > Pam

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

> The only way I am going to be able to check his butt is to convince

him to

> sleep with no underwear on!

What works here is...naked yoga. Teach them Downward-facing Dog and

you're in business.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

This is a 'stop dead in your tracks' type of itching and digging in

to the anus. As a parent, this would not go unnoticed! Since the

itch is so pronounced and the worms come out at night, sleep is

often disturbed. After we treated for pinworms I noticed my son

looked more rested, but he never woke us up during the time he was

infected (his symptoms went on for 6 months before we figured this

out). He never wakes us up, though. Poor kid vomited one night and

stayed in bed only whimpering... we 'taught' him not to get out of

his big boy bed at night and are now having one hell of a time

making him understand there are exceptions to every rule!

I'm sure many docs become savvy in the world of pinworms only after

actually having a patient with pinworms. It really isn't something

much discussed. I would suspect, in this case, that your doctor is

correct in assuming these elevated EOS are due to allergies because

your child looks " allergic " . Don't fault him too much for that

one. He could also have both; who knows???

Vermox is a prescription drug. Two pills over two weeks time to

kill all of the worms (doesn't kill the eggs. I think it starves

the worms somehow). Medicaid paid for it.

You don't need a positive parasite test to treat for parasites;

either with the ia or with Vermox. One way to test for

pinworms is to take a flat, sticky " stick " and press it around the

anus first thing in the morning or when he is sound asleep. They

then look under the microscope for the eggs or actual worms. Many,

many MDs will treat based on symptoms alone because parasites are

actually quite common and testing can be unreliable (and these docs

are so good at prescribing rather than investigating for $$$

purposes).

IF you ever treat for pinworms, it is adviseable to treat the entire

family. My husband said he actually noticed anal irritation only

after it went away. We didn't treat our other two kids the first

time (I was so wary of using pharmaceuticals!!!) and now we paid for

it by needing to treat everyone again.

This is just my opinion, but I wouldn't assume that ia/herbs

are 'safer' than Vermox just because it is an non-prescription or

herbal remedy. Cloves, Wormwood and Black Walnut are powerful

stuff! Some parents have said their kids did poorly with black

walnut due to the high phenol content. However, I believe cloves

kill the eggs where Vermox fails.

Yes, pain in the A** is true!

Pam

>

> Okay, he used to pick at his butt (appeared to be underwear

issues... but I

> wonder) but has never had issues with yeast, bowels itchy anus or

sleeping

> issues. When we went to the new DAN!, they even checked hit butt

for a red

> ring, but I assume this was for yeast issues over parasites...

>

> The only way I am going to be able to check his butt is to

convince him to

> sleep with no underwear on! LOL ) I don't think this is going

to happen

> anytime soon for my almost 7 yo. I always am observant of his

stools since

> he still needs help wiping... I hate to be graphic here, what

kind of

> 'itching like mad' does she do? Is Vermox OTC??? I'll check into

this and

> ask my ND that I trust!

>

> Thanks for your help! This is nothing but a pain in the a--!

Literally!

>

> Jackie---

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " noaholiviaian " <phaselow@...>

> > If you do a simple Google, elevated eosinophils brings up

discussion

> > of parasites. Every MD I spoke to mentioned allergies and

parasites

> > in the same breath.

> >

> > It certainly could be that it typically indicates allergies,

> > especially if your child DOES have allergies (my son doesn't

present

> > himself that way). Our EOS were 15.

> >

> > If you don't have any other symptoms of parasites, then I might

not

> > get too concerned. If he has stomach pain, changes in bowel

> > movements, itchy anus, sleep disturbances and/or chronic yeast

> > overgrowth, then you might want to do some testing or even just a

> > trial round of Vermox (for those who are convinced it is worms).

> >

> > It is apparently NOT common to see the white thread-like worms in

> > the stool, but you certainly can start checking. You can also

play

> > detective and take a flashlight to his rear-end while he is sound

> > asleep (good luck with THAT one!) since the worms come out at

night

> > to breed and feed.

> >

> > Ick. Great morning conversation. We are in the middle of re-

> > treating the family with Vermox since my daughter started itching

> > like mad a few weeks ago. *sigh*

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> > Pam

>

[Guest guest]

>>He never wakes us up, though. Poor kid vomited one night and

> stayed in bed only whimpering... we 'taught' him not to get out of

> his big boy bed at night and are now having one hell of a time

> making him understand there are exceptions to every rule!

I had this problem with my son. What we did, was one night we put him

in bed without having used the toilet first. Then, about 2 minutes

later, we went in and told him " we forgot to use the potty " , and asked

him to get out of bed to use the potty. The next night, same thing,

but we asked him while he was already in bed, " did you use the potty " ,

and he said " no " so we told him to go use the potty. Then a few

nights where we used the potty before bed like usual. Then we missed

it again, and when he first went into bed, he said " potty " so he went.

This variation went on for several weeks [kid probably thought we had

become senile with forgetting so often LOL]. Now he will call out to

us and let us know when he needs to get up for something. And it has

expanded to being something he wants, like a toy, that he left in

another room. But overall, he will stay in bed and call out if he

needs/wants to get up.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Boy, just the calling out for things would be a great addition! I

laugh about how good of an employee my son will be since he is such

a rule follower.

I will try what you did. We've done social stories (which he can

recite perfectly), but what you did is much more concrete.

Thanks,

Pam

> >>He never wakes us up, though. Poor kid vomited one night and

> > stayed in bed only whimpering... we 'taught' him not to get out

of

> > his big boy bed at night and are now having one hell of a time

> > making him understand there are exceptions to every rule!

>

>

> I had this problem with my son. What we did, was one night we put

him

> in bed without having used the toilet first. Then, about 2 minutes

> later, we went in and told him " we forgot to use the potty " , and

asked

> him to get out of bed to use the potty. The next night, same

thing,

> but we asked him while he was already in bed, " did you use the

potty " ,

> and he said " no " so we told him to go use the potty. Then a few

> nights where we used the potty before bed like usual. Then we

missed

> it again, and when he first went into bed, he said " potty " so he

went.

> This variation went on for several weeks [kid probably thought we

had

> become senile with forgetting so often LOL]. Now he will call out

to

> us and let us know when he needs to get up for something. And it

has

> expanded to being something he wants, like a toy, that he left in

> another room. But overall, he will stay in bed and call out if he

> needs/wants to get up.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

We had a similar problem with our son. He would not come out of his room in

the morning. I don't remember ever teaching him not to. It took me 3 years

to finally make him understand that it is OK to do it. Poor kid would wake

up and need to go to the bathroom and if I didn't make my ears big enough to

hear him, he would stay in bed for hours sometimes, until he would finally

start crying.

He is a rule follower too, to the letter, but mostly at school. In this

case, he made his own rule, because I am pretty sure I didn't teach him

that.

We finally managed to teach him that it's OK to come out by calling him

after he would be in bed already, and have him do something fun, like

running around the house, me chasing him, or something similar. Of course,

for a while we had to do this every night, but that was OK.

In the morning, if I would hear him waking up, I wouldn't go in his room but

I would just call him. It was very difficult to change the habit of me

opening the door first and then him getting out of bed.

I didn't realize other people have the same problem.

Valentina

> Boy, just the calling out for things would be a great addition! I

> laugh about how good of an employee my son will be since he is such

> a rule follower.

>

> I will try what you did. We've done social stories (which he can

> recite perfectly), but what you did is much more concrete.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

>

> > >>He never wakes us up, though. Poor kid vomited one night and

> > > stayed in bed only whimpering... we 'taught' him not to get out

> of

> > > his big boy bed at night and are now having one hell of a time

> > > making him understand there are exceptions to every rule!

> >

> >

> > I had this problem with my son. What we did, was one night we put

> him

> > in bed without having used the toilet first. Then, about 2 minutes

> > later, we went in and told him " we forgot to use the potty " , and

> asked

> > him to get out of bed to use the potty. The next night, same

> thing,

> > but we asked him while he was already in bed, " did you use the

> potty " ,

> > and he said " no " so we told him to go use the potty. Then a few

> > nights where we used the potty before bed like usual. Then we

> missed

> > it again, and when he first went into bed, he said " potty " so he

> went.

> > This variation went on for several weeks [kid probably thought we

> had

> > become senile with forgetting so often LOL]. Now he will call out

> to

> > us and let us know when he needs to get up for something. And it

> has

> > expanded to being something he wants, like a toy, that he left in

> > another room. But overall, he will stay in bed and call out if he

> > needs/wants to get up.

> >

> > Good luck.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Valentina,

Also very good ideas! I'm going to try this, too. In some ways I

have such a compliant little boy; this time to a fault.

Thanks,

Pam

> > > >>He never wakes us up, though. Poor kid vomited one night and

> > > > stayed in bed only whimpering... we 'taught' him not to get

out

> > of

> > > > his big boy bed at night and are now having one hell of a

time

> > > > making him understand there are exceptions to every rule!

> > >

> > >

> > > I had this problem with my son. What we did, was one night we

put

> > him

> > > in bed without having used the toilet first. Then, about 2

minutes

> > > later, we went in and told him " we forgot to use the potty " ,

and

> > asked

> > > him to get out of bed to use the potty. The next night, same

> > thing,

> > > but we asked him while he was already in bed, " did you use the

> > potty " ,

> > > and he said " no " so we told him to go use the potty. Then a

few

> > > nights where we used the potty before bed like usual. Then we

> > missed

> > > it again, and when he first went into bed, he said " potty " so

he

> > went.

> > > This variation went on for several weeks [kid probably

thought we

> > had

> > > become senile with forgetting so often LOL]. Now he will call

out

> > to

> > > us and let us know when he needs to get up for something. And

it

> > has

> > > expanded to being something he wants, like a toy, that he left

in

> > > another room. But overall, he will stay in bed and call out

if he

> > > needs/wants to get up.

> > >

> > > Good luck.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Before we started biomed ours was a complete rule follower and very compliant,

also. If you told her something once, it was set in stone. Could/would not

lie, either.

Boy has this changed with chelation! Be careful what you wish for :-) The

change took us totally by surprise and kind of got out of hand, now manageable,

but requires constant monitoring.

Re: [ ] Re: OT: Pam/High Eosinophils- CBC w/differential

We had a similar problem with our son. He would not come out of his room in

the morning. I don't remember ever teaching him not to. It took me 3 years

to finally make him understand that it is OK to do it. Poor kid would wake

up and need to go to the bathroom and if I didn't make my ears big enough to

hear him, he would stay in bed for hours sometimes, until he would finally

start crying.

He is a rule follower too, to the letter, but mostly at school. In this

case, he made his own rule, because I am pretty sure I didn't teach him

that.

We finally managed to teach him that it's OK to come out by calling him

after he would be in bed already, and have him do something fun, like

running around the house, me chasing him, or something similar. Of course,

for a while we had to do this every night, but that was OK.

In the morning, if I would hear him waking up, I wouldn't go in his room but

I would just call him. It was very difficult to change the habit of me

opening the door first and then him getting out of bed.

I didn't realize other people have the same problem.

Valentina

> Boy, just the calling out for things would be a great addition! I

> laugh about how good of an employee my son will be since he is such

> a rule follower.

>

> I will try what you did. We've done social stories (which he can

> recite perfectly), but what you did is much more concrete.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

>

> > >>He never wakes us up, though. Poor kid vomited one night and

> > > stayed in bed only whimpering... we 'taught' him not to get out

> of

> > > his big boy bed at night and are now having one hell of a time

> > > making him understand there are exceptions to every rule!

> >

> >

> > I had this problem with my son. What we did, was one night we put

> him

> > in bed without having used the toilet first. Then, about 2 minutes

> > later, we went in and told him " we forgot to use the potty " , and

> asked

> > him to get out of bed to use the potty. The next night, same

> thing,

> > but we asked him while he was already in bed, " did you use the

> potty " ,

> > and he said " no " so we told him to go use the potty. Then a few

> > nights where we used the potty before bed like usual. Then we

> missed

> > it again, and when he first went into bed, he said " potty " so he

> went.

> > This variation went on for several weeks [kid probably thought we

> had

> > become senile with forgetting so often LOL]. Now he will call out

> to

> > us and let us know when he needs to get up for something. And it

> has

> > expanded to being something he wants, like a toy, that he left in

> > another room. But overall, he will stay in bed and call out if he

> > needs/wants to get up.

> >

> > Good luck.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

> =======================================================

>