experts

[Guest guest]

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Isn't it funny how being a celebrity makes them " experts " at

everything? I mean where do these people get such EGO'S!!?

In Lexapro , " linda dickson " <golddreams@c...> wrote:

> I would like to know, when did tom cruise becaome such a expert on

depression and anti-depressants

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[Guest guest]

I just saw a rerun of that interview on MSNBC's Countdown. I agree with the

commentator that that could very well discourage people who were/are on the

verge of deciding whether or not to seek help. That stuff scares me. If it

weren't for Psychiatry, I'd be dead. The quality of my life has increased

so much, even more so since the Lexapro 30 mg has kicked in within the last

couple of days. I say, better living through Chemistry.

Sue C

-- experts

I would like to know, when did tom cruise becaome such a expert on

depression and anti-depressants

[Guest guest]

> I would like to know, when did tom cruise becaome such a expert on

depression and anti-depressants

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>

, I am in Norway and I just sat down to watch CNN while eating my

dinner and I was so upset by what I heard / saw ! Horrible! He has no

idea what damage he is doing.

SHUT UP MAN!

;o) GRRRRR

[Guest guest]

Hear hear and I am happy for you !

> I just saw a rerun of that interview on MSNBC's Countdown. I

agree with the

> commentator that that could very well discourage people who

were/are on the

> verge of deciding whether or not to seek help. That stuff scares

me. If it

> weren't for Psychiatry, I'd be dead. The quality of my life has

increased

> so much, even more so since the Lexapro 30 mg has kicked in within

the last

> couple of days. I say, better living through Chemistry.

>

> Sue C

> -- experts

>

> I would like to know, when did tom cruise becaome such a expert on

> depression and anti-depressants

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I joined this group thinking it was for people who have been

afflicted by this neurotoxin in the same manner like myself and

countless other have.

" I say, better living through Chemistry "

This seems to be the prevailing attitude here and I find it pretty

sad. Tom Cruise is absolutely right. There are scores of other ways

to deal with depression and illnesses than what conventional

medicine and the pharmaceutical industry puts forth. It is

unfortunate so many have bought into this. Psychiatry is junk

science and for every person who attests here that they have been

helped by these neurotoxins then I will show you three who have been

hurt to varying degrees. The quicker you realize there are better,

safer, and less toxic ways to deal with things short of altering

your brain's chemistry then the better off you will be. The

pharmaceutical industry is the most powerful lobby in Washington DC

and it is patently obvious that their propoganda machine has been

effective just judging by how readily people dismiss Cruise as a nut

instead of taking a look at the substance of his argument. Some day

down the line we will look back at this time and realize how

tragically wrong we were and this just doesn't just apply to

psychotropic meds. The sooner we look at a more holistic approach

that takes into account preventitive medicine the better off we'll

be. I, for one, will never let some ghoulish shrink play chemistry

set with my brain again based not on science, but conjecture and

guessing. It is junk science. ANyways, my rant is over and I'll

probably offend some here, but that is the way it goes. If anyone

agrees then let me know, especially if you want off these harmful

chemicals and onto a more balanced and healthy approach. God bless

> I just saw a rerun of that interview on MSNBC's Countdown. I

agree with the

> commentator that that could very well discourage people who

were/are on the

> verge of deciding whether or not to seek help. That stuff scares

me. If it

> weren't for Psychiatry, I'd be dead. The quality of my life has

increased

> so much, even more so since the Lexapro 30 mg has kicked in within

the last

> couple of days. I say, better living through Chemistry.

>

> Sue C

> -- experts

>

> I would like to know, when did tom cruise becaome such a expert on

> depression and anti-depressants

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not offended but I also don't agree ;-).

Your reaction is as defensive as mine was. Human nature.

The solution is not that simple. Both ways of thinking are needed

for more healthy living.

I exercise, I eat right (GI) (I take classes on this), I interact

with friends and family, R & R, and so on and so on.

But it is not enough. And I am a mother to 2 small children. Two

souls who have a right to a functioning mother. Something that I am

not without the meds. I have tried several times.

Had only gone by what TC talked about: exercise and vitamines

she could have harmed her child, as her depression was the post-p

kind.

And BTW Tom Cruise is not talking about what you are talking about.

This is what he believes :

" In fact, there is science behind the idea that chemical imbalances

produce depression. Scientologists, though, have a deep-seated

hatred of everything associated with psychiatry — not just the

stereotypical psychiatric counseling, but also any medication

designed to treat mental disorders. They reject the " science " behind

this in favor of teaching that our souls have been infested with

invisible spirits known as " Thetans " by the alien emperor Xenu. "

http://atheism.about.com/b/a/172798.htm

;o) !

Cathrine.

> > I just saw a rerun of that interview on MSNBC's Countdown. I

> agree with the

> > commentator that that could very well discourage people who

> were/are on the

> > verge of deciding whether or not to seek help. That stuff

scares

> me. If it

> > weren't for Psychiatry, I'd be dead. The quality of my life has

> increased

> > so much, even more so since the Lexapro 30 mg has kicked in

within

> the last

> > couple of days. I say, better living through Chemistry.

> >

> > Sue C

> > -- experts

> >

> > I would like to know, when did tom cruise becaome such a expert

on

> > depression and anti-depressants

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am not going to defend Scientology. Nonetheless, the basic notion

that psychiatry is junk science is dead on. I am referring to what

psychiatry for the most part is today. That is a 15 minute med check

and out the door. I am in no way impuning therapy. In fact, I think

it is an integral part to recovery. I also don't necessarily

disagree with the position that there are chemical imbalances.

All of the so-called disorders like bipolar and ADD/ADHD and all the

rest for the most part are symptoms. They are symptoms are various

imbalances. Symptoms of nutritional deficiencies, environmental

toxicity, dysfunctional patterns of emotional responses. The idea

that the " imbalances " can be corrected through dangerous and toxic

chemicals is the part I have a problem with. Lets just say you are

depressed. Lexapro is prescribed. What was the scientific process

that went into determining that you had a serotonin deficiency to

begin with? The answer is there isn't one because there is no

possible way to accurately judge neurotransmitter levels in the

brain until you are laying on a slab getting an autopsy. Hence, the

shrink's prescription is based on conjecture and guess work.

Besides, the drugs do nothing to address the underlying symptoms to

begin with and often throw it farther out of whack.

You said both ways of thinking are what is needed. I am not

advocating natural remedies for everything. In fact, my ideal model

is probably much like yours with a hybrid of the natural and

conventional approach being undertaken. In the end I know which

would prove more effective if administered right. I have seen it too

many times. However, there is too damn much money involved for that

ever to come to fruition.

Lastly, what got me to where I am at was through my own experiences

with psychotropic meds. But what really slammed it home is that I

teach at a school for severely emotionally disturbed children and I

have seen the stark reality on a daily basis of how catastrophic

psychiatry can be when left unabated. Many of these poor children

are screwed for life if they continue down the path they are on

right now with conventional medicine and psychiatry. Conversely, I

have been fortunate enough to see some children try a different

approach and they were cured. Yes, cured of the so-called diseases

and imbalances or whatever. I appreciate the tone of your post.

Take care

> > > I just saw a rerun of that interview on MSNBC's Countdown. I

> > agree with the

> > > commentator that that could very well discourage people who

> > were/are on the

> > > verge of deciding whether or not to seek help. That stuff

> scares

> > me. If it

> > > weren't for Psychiatry, I'd be dead. The quality of my life

has

> > increased

> > > so much, even more so since the Lexapro 30 mg has kicked in

> within

> > the last

> > > couple of days. I say, better living through Chemistry.

> > >

> > > Sue C

> > > -- experts

> > >

> > > I would like to know, when did tom cruise becaome such a

expert

> on

> > > depression and anti-depressants

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Very well said. I agree.

Wanda

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Kathy Lintzenich" <hands-on-healing@...>

This is a chatgroup. We all knew we were becoming members for the purpose of discussion. Hopefully this discussion is

helpful for certain members of the group. Every post isn't going to pertain to every member. However, I would like to think that

somewhere along the way, people have been helped by many members of our group.

The body doesn't like invasive measures. It can be very helpful to tweak the dose of LDN or start low and work up. This is just an

opinion based on the facts of physiology. So even though it is an opinion, it carries a high percentage of reliability and validity.

I would like to think and I do think that all of us down deep in our hearts, are all here for the higher purpose of learning and helping

others achieve a better quality and quantity of life.

Best wishers,

Kathy

[Guest guest]

This is a chatgroup. We all knew we were becoming members for the purpose of discussion. Hopefully this discussion is

helpful for certain members of the group. Every post isn't going to pertain to every member. However, I would like to think that

somewhere along the way, people have been helped by many members of our group.

The body doesn't like invasive measures. It can be very helpful to tweak the dose of LDN or start low and work up. This is just an

opinion based on the facts of physiology. So even though it is an opinion, it carries a high percentage of reliability and validity.

I would like to think and I do think that all of us down deep in our hearts, are all here for the higher purpose of learning and helping

others achieve a better quality and quantity of life.

Best wishers,

Kathy

[Guest guest]

An interesting question is whether the figures

indicating longer overall survival with CLL

expert care includes trials..

Karni

[Guest guest]

At 10:04 AM 8/31/2011, Karni wrote:

>.......... whether the figures indicating longer overall

survival

>with CLL expert care includes trials..

A characteristic of this retrospective analysis was that all

patients analyzed have " the same practice setting where

access to clinical trials, multidisciplinary consultation,

and medical technologies are identical " . As such, patients

treated in clinical trials were included in all of the data

analyses.

Apparently, the only patients treated in clinical trials who

were 'not' included in the data analyses were patients who

were treated 'before' disease progression. (see SNIP

below).

I did not notice any data analyses in which participation in

a clinical trial was a variable, e.g. analysis of only

patients in clinical trials and comparing those treated by a

specialist vs. those treated by a non-specialist, or

comparing OS for patients participating in trials vs.

patients not participating in trials, etc..... Why such

comparisons were not done was not discussed, but, again, may

be related to a technical nuance of retrospective analysis

that prevents such comparisons.

Al Janski

REFERENCE:

" Hematologist/oncologist disease-specific expertise and

survival: Lessons from chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL)

/small lymphocytic lymphoma (SLL) " ; Tait D. Shanafelt MD et

al.; Article first published online: 26 AUG 2011; DOI:

10.1002/cncr.26474 ABSTRACT:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.26474/abstract

RESULTS SNIP.....

" During the study interval, 320 (24%) patients received

therapy. Of these, 92 had their first treatment under the

direction of a non-Mayo physician or were treated before

disease progression as part of clinical trials testing early

intervention (n = 44) and were excluded from analysis on

type of first-line therapy. Among the remaining 184

patients, 104 had their first treatment selected by a CLL

hematologist, whereas the remaining 80 had their first

treatment selected by a non-CLL hematologist. Patients seen

by a CLL hematologist were markedly more likely to receive

their first-line treatment as part of a clinical trial (48%

vs 16%; P < .001). The type of firstline therapy

administered differed based on physician disease-specific

expertise (P < .001) with CLL hematologists more likely to

administer purine nucleoside analog-based treatment (70% vs

28%) and less likely to administer a nonpurine alkylating

agent combination (8% vs 28%), single agent alkylator (12%

vs 22%), or antibody only therapy steroids (10% vs 19%).