Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 In a message dated 10/02/2006 03:27:21 GMT Standard Time, mouser4@... writes: Has anybody had good success using Waiora drops for chelation? >>>Well in nearly 6 years on this list - Thats one I never heard of DMSA works well. ALA too Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 never heard of this. what is it (ingredients). who makes it. costs??? tx for filling me in. i like to hear about new and interesting things. vicki Mum231ASD@... wrote: In a message dated 10/02/2006 03:27:21 GMT Standard Time, mouser4@... writes: Has anybody had good success using Waiora drops for chelation? >>>Well in nearly 6 years on this list - Thats one I never heard of DMSA works well. ALA too Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Wasn't this discussed just a few weeks ago here? The Natural cellular... defense, or something. The zeolites. Right? Valentina > never heard of this. what is it (ingredients). who makes it. costs??? tx for filling me in. i like to hear about new and interesting things. > > vicki > > Mum231ASD@... wrote: > > In a message dated 10/02/2006 03:27:21 GMT Standard Time, > mouser4@... writes: > > Has anybody had good success using Waiora drops for chelation? > > >>>Well in nearly 6 years on this list - Thats one I never heard of > > DMSA works well. ALA too > > Mandi in UK > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Yes Natural Cellular Defense, zeolites is what its also referred to as. Re: [ ] Waiora Drops Wasn't this discussed just a few weeks ago here? The Natural cellular... defense, or something. The zeolites. Right? Valentina > never heard of this. what is it (ingredients). who makes it. costs??? tx for filling me in. i like to hear about new and interesting things. > > vicki > > Mum231ASD@... wrote: > > In a message dated 10/02/2006 03:27:21 GMT Standard Time, > mouser4@... writes: > > Has anybody had good success using Waiora drops for chelation? > > >>>Well in nearly 6 years on this list - Thats one I never heard of > >>> > > DMSA works well. ALA too > > Mandi in UK > ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Go to ncdheavymetaldetox.com for lots of info. I also have more info but do you want to open attachments? Re: [ ] Waiora Drops never heard of this. what is it (ingredients). who makes it. costs??? tx for filling me in. i like to hear about new and interesting things. vicki Mum231ASD@... wrote: In a message dated 10/02/2006 03:27:21 GMT Standard Time, mouser4@... writes: Has anybody had good success using Waiora drops for chelation? >>>Well in nearly 6 years on this list - Thats one I never heard of DMSA works well. ALA too Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 We used this product for my 10 year old PDD-NOS for 1 week at 5 drops 2 times a day (just to make sure he was getting enought water and that everything is OK with it). At nearly the same time he started on that, he also started on OLE (500mg daily). We stopped both supps after one week (7 days). Afterwords (a day or two) my son broke out in a rash near his mouth. That went away then it jumped to his legs, ankles, then gone there then jumped to his hands. This rash looks ALOT like eczema but did not last a fraction as long as exzema does.. and he hasnt had that stuff in a few years. Also after stopping both the NCD and the OLE, he began having asthma bouts at night. All of the above I believe is the result of the OLE, however, the dosage at 500mg daily does not seem nearly high enough to cause the rashes, etc. related to viral die-off... soo.. I dunno. He was also very 'zoned out' or spacey the first two days after we stopped but that soon cleared. Nine days after being off both of these he scored a perfect 100 on a spelling test (the first time all year!). He definately has much better focus and concentration. For two nights in a row he has sit at the kitchen table, completely focused, and worked on his Valentine cards (some 46 in all) WITHOUT once asking for help OR getting distracted, stopping or complaining. THIS, folks, is something that my son has NEVER done EVER. He would ALWAYS loose interest and ask mom or dad to help him. Also, his reading is much more fluid (for the first book, the second and third book he begins to get a little fatigued and starts missing words). Again, he was off the OLE and the NCD for 1-1/2 weeks. This week (Wed.) we started him back on the NCD at 10 drops 2 x daily, and also added back in the OLE.... so im kinda intersted if we will see more gains. Could the gains we are seeing be the OLE or the NCD? I honestly do not know. He has been on Vit. C 500mg daily, a multi and a multidolphulus for awhile now. It could but a factor of things coming together, but nothing was really noticable until we stopped the OLE and the NCD after one week. Email me and i'll keep ya posted (perhaps by the end of the next week). BTW, I do not sell this stuff and greatly detest it's marketing. I do not know anyone who does sell it. I purchased mine from 911Health.com or something like that. > > > > In a message dated 10/02/2006 03:27:21 GMT Standard Time, > > mouser4@... writes: > > > > Has anybody had good success using Waiora drops for chelation? > > > > >>>Well in nearly 6 years on this list - Thats one I never heard of > > >>> > > > > DMSA works well. ALA too > > > > Mandi in UK > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 yup, same stuff I still haven't heard good or bad when using this for kids on the spectrum, but I'm keeping my ears/eyes open. > > Wasn't this discussed just a few weeks ago here? > The Natural cellular... defense, or something. The zeolites. Right? > > > Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 i can't find any info at that website except testimonials (and the multi-levels marketing info to become distributor). RE: [ ] Waiora Drops Go to ncdheavymetaldetox.com for lots of info. I also have more info but do you want to open attachments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 > Could the gains we are seeing be the OLE or the NCD? I honestly do > not know. I have never used NCD, but my kids had similar improvements with OLE. Try adding them back one at a time, and leave a few days between them, so you can determine the effects of just one. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 After doing 6 rounds of DMSA using the Andy Cutler protocol I felt like my kidneys and liver were failing and that I couldn't do it again right now, but the protocol did stop the severe pain from recirculating metals and make things better each round. Because I thought it would be easier on my kidneys and liver, I decided to try NCD and I switched to using this 2 weeks ago instead of DMSA with good effect. I have to take much more than the recommended dose to keep the recirculating down. At least 10 drops every 3 hours, sometimes more at night and during liver time (1-3am). I can also take NDF/NDF+ again so I have been taking those also with good results. I'm back up to 10 drops of NDF four times a day (I swallow the NDF as it only contains dead probiotics to break the candida cell wall and doesn't methylate the released mercury) and 3 drops about 8 times a day of the NDF+ (which I only take sublingually and do not swallow as this is what methylated mercury through my body 8 months ago when I accidentally swallowed 3 droppers of it instead of NDF along with zinc). I also take terramin (a zeolite like mineral supplement) that helps mercury not to be uptaken by the villi (roots) in the intestine. Other than that I'm doing a protocol to restore my iodine levels (brain, thyroid, and other endocrine organs) as I reduce my burden of mercury. I take vitamin-c which is critical when supplementing with iodine and other than that just a handful of supplements and a multivitamin (eat right for your type O) and some plant based oils (coconut, whole vitamin E, sunflower, safflower) I hate the multi-level products, as I know they are insanely overpriced ($200 for 4 small bottles that probably cost them $5) but this one works well for me. sometime I hope to figure out how to make it myself cheaply. It's probably just some water based suspension of a food grade zeolite, like " food-bond " http://www.zeotechcorp.com/Animal.asp Cheers, _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of kendra Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:04 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Waiora Drops i can't find any info at that website except testimonials (and the multi-levels marketing info to become distributor). RE: [ ] Waiora Drops Go to ncdheavymetaldetox.com for lots of info. I also have more info but do you want to open attachments? ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Thanks, Dana. We have been at it again, but this time at 10 drops 2 x a day... until Sunday. Can OLE work that fast? Everything I have read stated a higher dosage for a longer period of time before seeing any rashes, etc. > > Could the gains we are seeing be the OLE or the NCD? I honestly do > > not know. > > > I have never used NCD, but my kids had similar improvements with OLE. > Try adding them back one at a time, and leave a few days between > them, so you can determine the effects of just one. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 > > Thanks, Dana. We have been at it again, but this time at 10 drops 2 x > a day... until Sunday. Can OLE work that fast? For some kids, yes. Everything I have read > stated a higher dosage for a longer period of time before seeing any > rashes, etc. My son needed higher dose and longer time, but other kids are more immediate. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 I think the gains you saw could be the NCD. I just visited my doc over the weekend, the one who has recommended we start these drops for my daughter (I haven't yet). He said he has seen really great results on his cancer patients, and some pretty interesting things for his autism patients. One girl who was very hyper and unfocused has calmed down exactly as you described, just from the NCD drops. I agree with you on the marketing. I always hated that with glyconutrients, which we tried for 9 months, it was like $100 a jar! They didn't do a thing for my daughter. Now faced with another situation where the company is MLM, I'm so hesitant. And $50/bottle when the bottle is so tiny. But if it works, it will be well worth the money. > > We used this product for my 10 year old PDD-NOS for 1 week at 5 > drops 2 times a day (just to make sure he was getting enought water > and that everything is OK with it). At nearly the same time he > started on that, he also started on OLE (500mg daily). > > We stopped both supps after one week (7 days). Afterwords (a day or > two) my son broke out in a rash near his mouth. That went away then > it jumped to his legs, ankles, then gone there then jumped to his > hands. This rash looks ALOT like eczema but did not last a fraction > as long as exzema does.. and he hasnt had that stuff in a few years. > > Also after stopping both the NCD and the OLE, he began having asthma > bouts at night. All of the above I believe is the result of the OLE, > however, the dosage at 500mg daily does not seem nearly high enough > to cause the rashes, etc. related to viral die-off... soo.. I dunno. > He was also very 'zoned out' or spacey the first two days after we > stopped but that soon cleared. > > Nine days after being off both of these he scored a perfect 100 on a > spelling test (the first time all year!). He definately has much > better focus and concentration. For two nights in a row he has sit > at the kitchen table, completely focused, and worked on his > Valentine cards (some 46 in all) WITHOUT once asking for help OR > getting distracted, stopping or complaining. THIS, folks, is > something that my son has NEVER done EVER. He would ALWAYS loose > interest and ask mom or dad to help him. Also, his reading is much > more fluid (for the first book, the second and third book he begins > to get a little fatigued and starts missing words). > > Again, he was off the OLE and the NCD for 1-1/2 weeks. This week > (Wed.) we started him back on the NCD at 10 drops 2 x daily, and > also added back in the OLE.... so im kinda intersted if we will see > more gains. > > Could the gains we are seeing be the OLE or the NCD? I honestly do > not know. He has been on Vit. C 500mg daily, a multi and a > multidolphulus for awhile now. It could but a factor of things > coming together, but nothing was really noticable until we stopped > the OLE and the NCD after one week. Email me and i'll keep ya posted > (perhaps by the end of the next week). > > BTW, I do not sell this stuff and greatly detest it's marketing. I > do not know anyone who does sell it. I purchased mine from > 911Health.com or something like that. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Can someone tell me what OLE is? Sky, see below! Leigh RE: [ ] Waiora Drops Go to ncdheavymetaldetox.com for lots of info. I also have more info but do you want to open attachments? ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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