Re: Please help answer ALA question...

[Guest guest]

> First, I know there is someone in this group who said they loved ALA

> from the first time they used it...noticed a difference right away

I'm one of them but there are others too. I suspect the great response

on the first round was due to the sulfur or something, because the

amount of Hg getting out in one round was miniscule.

> We noticed a difference in jackson

> from the first dose friday night...and it continued through out

> Sunday night. More social, aware, happy, etc.

This is great!

>

> However, this morning, he was a wreck. He looked more autistic this

> morning than he has in the past year. Spinning, humming, stimming

> 100% MORE!!!, VERY irritable, VERY OCD-like, just horrible.

I bet it's yeast. Try increasing the GSE to 2 drops 2 or 3X/day, see

if that helps. Give activated charcoal an hour later if he seems worse

after the GSE. You can keep increasing if it's helping, and keep going

with it a day or so after the symptoms subside.

Nell

[Guest guest]

> However, this morning, he was a wreck. He looked more autistic this

> morning than he has in the past year. Spinning, humming, stimming

> 100% MORE!!!, VERY irritable, VERY OCD-like, just horrible.

>

> Can ALA move metals that fast out of the body?

Yes. Plus, the combination of ALA and your other chelator is almost

guaranteed to increase yeast. Try increasing your yeast protocol, see

if that helps. My son would spin himself when he had yeast.

> He also has another yeast flare-up...extreme giggling,tantrumy this

> morning....DRUNK looking... We are currently giving 2 candex in the

> morning with 1 drop of GSE and 1 drop of advanced biocidin. We

> started this sat. morning. Is there anything else I can add to get

> rid of this latest yeast flare-up?

I would increase the GSE.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thank you Valentina: Yes, it was you! Within 2-3 hours after the

first ALA dose, he was fun again...playing with us, happy, etc. No

big gains or anything, but what really excited me was the fact that

he wanted to be around us again. He usually just goes into the

basement and ignores everyone. He wanted to be with us!

I dont have a clue about his cysteine levels, but I know that he is

low glutathione. The weird thing about that is he has a hard time

adjusting to the TD-GSH we have (we had to stop, it made him

cry/irritable)...I was thinking of lipo-GSH. Have you used that?

I gave low dose every 3 hours day and night..until last night. I

gave it 10:00 pm, 2:00 am, 6:00 am. Otherwise, it was consistently

every 3 hours all weekend. Dont laugh here, but I dont know if he

is a fast metabolizer? How would you know?

Anne gave me some good yeast advice...I plan to start tonight. We

chelate every other weekend, so maybe we can get things back to

normal during our 11 days off. Yikes...I hate yeast!

Thanks! Kim

>

> > I know there is someone in this group who said they loved ALA

> > from the first time they used it...noticed a difference right away

> > and was very excited to use ALA. If anyone can recall who that

> > is..I'd love to talk to them.

>

> I am one of the people that had really nice improvements with ALA.

> My son just became a different person 2-3 hours after the first

dose.

>

>

>

> > We noticed a difference in jackson

> > from the first dose friday night...and it continued through out

> > Sunday night. More social, aware, happy, etc.

>

> If ALA had such fast effect, usually that means that he is low

cysteine

> and/or low glutathione.

>

>

>

> > However, this morning, he was a wreck. He looked more autistic

this

> > morning than he has in the past year. Spinning, humming, stimming

> > 100% MORE!!!, VERY irritable, VERY OCD-like, just horrible.

>

> Maybe you give too much?

> From my experience, too much ALA doesn't cause this kind of

reaction. We

> have seen a very emotional (crying easily, being impressed by

anything) kind

> of reaction with too much ALA.

> This could be though the yeast.

> Also, could be a supplement.

>

>

>

> > Can ALA move metals that fast out of the body? Could this be

metals

> > coming out?

>

> After only a few hours? I don't think so... but, of course, I could

be

> wrong.

> How much ALA are you giving? Every 3 hours? Did you go every 4

hours during

> the night? Is your son by any chance a fast metabolizer?

>

>

>

> > I recall reading Charlie Hoover's posts, where he said

> > he and his wife were scared at first...their son Lenny looked more

> > autistic during the first few days after the ON days...and after a

> > few rounds, they thought about stopping. They obviously are glad

> > they didnt stop....so, I wonder if this is normal?

>

> My son feels a little " off " during the first day off the chelation.

> Sometimes yeast causes this. But we never had a really bad yeast

problem, so

> I really cannot tell... I am thinking that the lower

cysteine/sulfur maybe

> could cause this, but I don't know.

> We never had such a bad problem. I mean my son never gained and

then lost

> skills, because of ALA.

>

>

> > He also has another yeast flare-up...extreme giggling,tantrumy

this

> > morning....DRUNK looking... We are currently giving 2 candex in

the

> > morning with 1 drop of GSE and 1 drop of advanced biocidin. We

> > started this sat. morning. Is there anything else I can add to

get

> > rid of this latest yeast flare-up?

>

> Maybe increase GSE?

> For me GSE works really well for yeast.

> Give charcoal also (between meals).

>

> I hope your son gets well

>

>

> Valentina

>

[Guest guest]

Yeast is the worst. Now that I think about it, if I had to do it

over again I would have gotten my little guy up and running on

GSE/Candidase/Candex and OLE at the same time, using as much of the

former combo as I needed to help control any yeast the OLE kicked up

from its antiviral properties. This would have had nice effects all

around, including in the anti-bacterial arena.

Good luck. Try to get the yeast under control before and work hard

to manage it during the next round. I think you will be very

pleased.

Anne

> >

> > > I know there is someone in this group who said they loved ALA

> > > from the first time they used it...noticed a difference right

away

> > > and was very excited to use ALA. If anyone can recall who

that

> > > is..I'd love to talk to them.

> >

> > I am one of the people that had really nice improvements with

ALA.

> > My son just became a different person 2-3 hours after the first

> dose.

> >

> >

> >

> > > We noticed a difference in jackson

> > > from the first dose friday night...and it continued through out

> > > Sunday night. More social, aware, happy, etc.

> >

> > If ALA had such fast effect, usually that means that he is low

> cysteine

> > and/or low glutathione.

> >

> >

> >

> > > However, this morning, he was a wreck. He looked more

autistic

> this

> > > morning than he has in the past year. Spinning, humming,

stimming

> > > 100% MORE!!!, VERY irritable, VERY OCD-like, just horrible.

> >

> > Maybe you give too much?

> > From my experience, too much ALA doesn't cause this kind of

> reaction. We

> > have seen a very emotional (crying easily, being impressed by

> anything) kind

> > of reaction with too much ALA.

> > This could be though the yeast.

> > Also, could be a supplement.

> >

> >

> >

> > > Can ALA move metals that fast out of the body? Could this be

> metals

> > > coming out?

> >

> > After only a few hours? I don't think so... but, of course, I

could

> be

> > wrong.

> > How much ALA are you giving? Every 3 hours? Did you go every 4

> hours during

> > the night? Is your son by any chance a fast metabolizer?

> >

> >

> >

> > > I recall reading Charlie Hoover's posts, where he said

> > > he and his wife were scared at first...their son Lenny looked

more

> > > autistic during the first few days after the ON days...and

after a

> > > few rounds, they thought about stopping. They obviously are

glad

> > > they didnt stop....so, I wonder if this is normal?

> >

> > My son feels a little " off " during the first day off the

chelation.

> > Sometimes yeast causes this. But we never had a really bad yeast

> problem, so

> > I really cannot tell... I am thinking that the lower

> cysteine/sulfur maybe

> > could cause this, but I don't know.

> > We never had such a bad problem. I mean my son never gained and

> then lost

> > skills, because of ALA.

> >

> >

> > > He also has another yeast flare-up...extreme giggling,tantrumy

> this

> > > morning....DRUNK looking... We are currently giving 2 candex

in

> the

> > > morning with 1 drop of GSE and 1 drop of advanced biocidin. We

> > > started this sat. morning. Is there anything else I can add

to

> get

> > > rid of this latest yeast flare-up?

> >

> > Maybe increase GSE?

> > For me GSE works really well for yeast.

> > Give charcoal also (between meals).

> >

> > I hope your son gets well

> >

> >

> > Valentina

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> I know there is someone in this group who said they loved ALA

> from the first time they used it...noticed a difference right away

> and was very excited to use ALA. If anyone can recall who that

> is..I'd love to talk to them.

I am one of the people that had really nice improvements with ALA.

My son just became a different person 2-3 hours after the first dose.

> We noticed a difference in jackson

> from the first dose friday night...and it continued through out

> Sunday night. More social, aware, happy, etc.

If ALA had such fast effect, usually that means that he is low cysteine

and/or low glutathione.

> However, this morning, he was a wreck. He looked more autistic this

> morning than he has in the past year. Spinning, humming, stimming

> 100% MORE!!!, VERY irritable, VERY OCD-like, just horrible.

Maybe you give too much?

From my experience, too much ALA doesn't cause this kind of reaction. We

have seen a very emotional (crying easily, being impressed by anything) kind

of reaction with too much ALA.

This could be though the yeast.

Also, could be a supplement.

> Can ALA move metals that fast out of the body? Could this be metals

> coming out?

After only a few hours? I don't think so... but, of course, I could be

wrong.

How much ALA are you giving? Every 3 hours? Did you go every 4 hours during

the night? Is your son by any chance a fast metabolizer?

> I recall reading Charlie Hoover's posts, where he said

> he and his wife were scared at first...their son Lenny looked more

> autistic during the first few days after the ON days...and after a

> few rounds, they thought about stopping. They obviously are glad

> they didnt stop....so, I wonder if this is normal?

My son feels a little " off " during the first day off the chelation.

Sometimes yeast causes this. But we never had a really bad yeast problem, so

I really cannot tell... I am thinking that the lower cysteine/sulfur maybe

could cause this, but I don't know.

We never had such a bad problem. I mean my son never gained and then lost

skills, because of ALA.

> He also has another yeast flare-up...extreme giggling,tantrumy this

> morning....DRUNK looking... We are currently giving 2 candex in the

> morning with 1 drop of GSE and 1 drop of advanced biocidin. We

> started this sat. morning. Is there anything else I can add to get

> rid of this latest yeast flare-up?

Maybe increase GSE?

For me GSE works really well for yeast.

Give charcoal also (between meals).

I hope your son gets well

Valentina

[Guest guest]

> I dont have a clue about his cysteine levels, but I know that he is

> low glutathione. The weird thing about that is he has a hard time

> adjusting to the TD-GSH we have (we had to stop, it made him

> cry/irritable)...I was thinking of lipo-GSH. Have you used that?

It is preferable to encourage the body to make its own by supplying

the appropriate precursors.

> I gave low dose every 3 hours day and night..until last night. I

> gave it 10:00 pm, 2:00 am, 6:00 am. Otherwise, it was consistently

> every 3 hours all weekend.

If you are doing 7 doses a day, you might consider 3.5 hour spacing,

instead of having those 4 hour intervals at night. (Two of the

intervals will be 3:15 using this schedule).

One last thought, if I may - You probably want to go to the low end of

the low dose range on the next round, if you are not already there.

[Guest guest]

> Thank you Valentina: Yes, it was you! Within 2-3 hours after the

> first ALA dose, he was fun again...playing with us, happy, etc. No

> big gains or anything, but what really excited me was the fact that

> he wanted to be around us again. He usually just goes into the

> basement and ignores everyone. He wanted to be with us!

I still remember what my son did after the first dose of ALA. It was just

incredible. He suddenly became interested in the world around him.

So I guess this should be a clue for you. Your son is probably low cysteine.

Even if he is low glutathione, I heard so many times about bad experiences

with supplemental glutathione... I personally would not try it. I know my

son is very low glutathione, but I don't think supplementing it is the way

to go. I don't know why so many kids react badly to glutathione, even if

they need it so much. From what I read, a better way to go is working on

helping the body make its own glutathione.

> I dont have a clue about his cysteine levels, but I know that he is

> low glutathione. The weird thing about that is he has a hard time

> adjusting to the TD-GSH we have (we had to stop, it made him

> cry/irritable)...I was thinking of lipo-GSH. Have you used that?

>

> I gave low dose every 3 hours day and night..until last night. I

> gave it 10:00 pm, 2:00 am, 6:00 am. Otherwise, it was consistently

> every 3 hours all weekend. Dont laugh here, but I dont know if he

> is a fast metabolizer? How would you know?

If you have a hair test, look at the Ca/P ratio. If it is low, then he would

be a fast metabolizer.

Don't ask me why that is I don't really understand...

If you don't - is he a skinny kid?

My son is a very fast metabolizer. He needs ALA doses every 2 1/2 and even

every 2 hours.

During the night, I try to keep the every 2 1/2 hours schedule, but if I am

really tired and can't wake up in time I go 3 hours. I think there is less

redistribution giving more frequent doses, if you are a fast metabolizer.

> Anne gave me some good yeast advice...I plan to start tonight. We

> chelate every other weekend, so maybe we can get things back to

> normal during our 11 days off. Yikes...I hate yeast!

Good luck!

I am sure you will have everything under control in no time

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your suggestions. We were pretty low dose, but not the

lowest of doses...which we can do Feb 17-20th..our next round.

You mentioned that it is best to add precursers of glutathione as

opposed to supplementing directly with glutathione...are you

referring to NAC? Since it appears that we are " low cysteine " ,

wouldnt it make sense then that NAC would be good, especially given

his reaction to ALA? And, if you do think NAC would be good, any

suggestions as to what brand, type?

Oh, also we just got the MB-12 injections in the mail, but didnt want

to start them our very first ALA weekend.

Thanks again, still seem to be learning so much here. Kim

>

> > I dont have a clue about his cysteine levels, but I know that he

is

> > low glutathione. The weird thing about that is he has a hard

time

> > adjusting to the TD-GSH we have (we had to stop, it made him

> > cry/irritable)...I was thinking of lipo-GSH. Have you used that?

>

> It is preferable to encourage the body to make its own by supplying

> the appropriate precursors.

>

>

> > I gave low dose every 3 hours day and night..until last night. I

> > gave it 10:00 pm, 2:00 am, 6:00 am. Otherwise, it was

consistently

> > every 3 hours all weekend.

>

> If you are doing 7 doses a day, you might consider 3.5 hour

spacing,

> instead of having those 4 hour intervals at night. (Two of the

> intervals will be 3:15 using this schedule).

>

> One last thought, if I may - You probably want to go to the low end

of

> the low dose range on the next round, if you are not already there.

>

[Guest guest]

> Since it appears that we are " low cysteine " ,

> wouldnt it make sense then that NAC would be good

You should verify that cysteine is indeed low before using NAC.

Since low glutathione in an indicator of oxidative stress, it may be

beneficial to double check that you are supplementing enough anti-

oxidants. By doing providing enough of these, you will be " sparing "

glutathione, thus raising GSH levels.