Re: Need Advice - Vitamin K Shot

[Guest guest]

Only you can decide if this is something you want to give.... I WAS NEVER

told about this one! The only way I knew about this is when I obtained my

prenatal/postnatal records which included my delivery information and

's 'routine' medical papers.... then confirmed when I received medical

records from the peds office. They apparently receive a copy of the

paperwork.

Here is a link and I was pretty ticked about it since the only thing I had

to sign for and authorize was the Hep B shot! Since I am in PA and it is

routinely given, here is the link....

http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/pennsylvania.htm It provides links to

additional websites about problems with the vitamin K etc... I would ask

your doctor as to why he needs it. There are other alternatives. I wonder

why we don't have to sign a consent form on this too. Good for you that you

are doing your homework now. I didn't even know he received this. All I

thought he got was tested for PKU and the MMR. Stupid me!

To find your state: http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

Jackie---

----- Original Message -----

> I'll be giving birth in May, and have concluded that no way will they

> eye drops be given, or the Hib shot, or any other vaccine shot for

> that matter ever...but my doctor (who also has an autistic child) is

> strongly urging me to get the vitamin k shot for my baby. Anyone know

> of any harm from the vitamin k shot? Is it okay?

> Thanks,

> autiemom4

[Guest guest]

There are a lot of good resources and information at those sites

Jackie, thank you.

But I am still wondering how safe it is. I am not a vegetarian who

eats a lot of dark green leafy vegetables, how much of a difference

does that make? I am getting some conflicting feedback about this

vitamin K Shot, many are saying it is fine, but I am afraid to take

risks, I already have 3 boys with autism, and one girl with

aspergers. This will be a boy, which the doctor said is even more

reason to give the k shot due to circumcision.

I will definately be closely monitoring (and have other family

members there to help monitor in case I am " out of it " ) the nurses

who are taking the stats and caring for my baby immediately after

giving birth.

Thanks,

anyone else who may have helpful insight would be appreciated!!

autiemom4

>

> Only you can decide if this is something you want to give.... I

WAS NEVER

> told about this one! The only way I knew about this is when I

obtained my

> prenatal/postnatal records which included my delivery information

and

> 's 'routine' medical papers.... then confirmed when I

received medical

> records from the peds office. They apparently receive a copy of

the

> paperwork.

>

> Here is a link and I was pretty ticked about it since the only

thing I had

> to sign for and authorize was the Hep B shot! Since I am in PA

and it is

> routinely given, here is the link....

> http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/pennsylvania.htm It provides links

to

> additional websites about problems with the vitamin K etc... I

would ask

> your doctor as to why he needs it. There are other alternatives.

I wonder

> why we don't have to sign a consent form on this too. Good for

you that you

> are doing your homework now. I didn't even know he received

this. All I

> thought he got was tested for PKU and the MMR. Stupid me!

>

> To find your state: http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

>

> Jackie---

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> > I'll be giving birth in May, and have concluded that no way will

they

> > eye drops be given, or the Hib shot, or any other vaccine shot

for

> > that matter ever...but my doctor (who also has an autistic

child) is

> > strongly urging me to get the vitamin k shot for my baby.

Anyone know

> > of any harm from the vitamin k shot? Is it okay?

> > Thanks,

> > autiemom4

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I'll be giving birth in May, and have concluded that no way will they

> eye drops be given, or the Hib shot, or any other vaccine shot for

> that matter ever...but my doctor (who also has an autistic child) is

> strongly urging me to get the vitamin k shot for my baby. Anyone know

> of any harm from the vitamin k shot? Is it okay?

I have this link

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/VitaminK.html

Dana

[Guest guest]

This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks Dana!!!

autiemom4

> >

> > I'll be giving birth in May, and have concluded that no way will

they

> > eye drops be given, or the Hib shot, or any other vaccine shot

for

> > that matter ever...but my doctor (who also has an autistic

child) is

> > strongly urging me to get the vitamin k shot for my baby.

Anyone know

> > of any harm from the vitamin k shot? Is it okay?

>

>

> I have this link

>

> http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/VitaminK.html

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>>I am getting some conflicting feedback about this

> vitamin K Shot, many are saying it is fine, but I am afraid to take

> risks, I already have 3 boys with autism, and one girl with

> aspergers. This will be a boy, which the doctor said is even more

> reason to give the k shot due to circumcision.

What about taking a vitamin K supplement now, and also later if nursing?

Dana

[Guest guest]

,

I believe you need the Vitamin K to clot blood properly. Not very

long ago, a little boy bled to death after his circumcision. I

don't know if he'd been given the Vitamin K, but I'm guessing that

he was. It is the norm. There are complications that go with

circumcision. It is a surgical procedure. I guess the question in

my mind, one that might offend many people here, is why would we

want to circumcise our little boys, particularly if doing so puts

them at risk for anything.

Anita

> >>I am getting some conflicting feedback about this

> > vitamin K Shot, many are saying it is fine, but I am afraid to

take

> > risks, I already have 3 boys with autism, and one girl with

> > aspergers. This will be a boy, which the doctor said is even

more

> > reason to give the k shot due to circumcision.

>

>

> What about taking a vitamin K supplement now, and also later if

nursing?

>

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Bleeding to death is only one of the risks. If anyone is considering

circumcising their son, they might want to check out these two pages.

There are some pictures on the first one that are hard to look at.

The second link has much information on how circumcisions are very

unnecessary.

http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/

http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/

When I had my first child, a boy, I had to share a room at the

hospital. The woman next to me had her baby boy circumcised. He

started to cry after that, refused to nurse, and screamed pretty much

continously for the next 30 hours, when I left. It was horrible.

I'm not trying to offend or criticize parents who've made a different

decision than I did, but I do think that this is yet another area in

which the medical community has, to put it mildly, failed the public.

Anita

Really, had I been told they could bleed to death I would have really

looked into that.

>

> Again too, we have been told a great many things by our doctors.

That is really interesting and I totally trust what you say about the

boys you know not getting infections. I can add this to the list of

lies my doctors have told me.

>

[Guest guest]

I already have 3 boys with safe circumcision, and 3 nephews as well.

Problems with that procedure are rare, especially with newer and

newer methods. There are many benefits to having your son cir'ed.

Hygiene is a big one.

> ,

>

> I believe you need the Vitamin K to clot blood properly. Not very

> long ago, a little boy bled to death after his circumcision. I

> don't know if he'd been given the Vitamin K, but I'm guessing that

> he was. It is the norm. There are complications that go with

> circumcision. It is a surgical procedure. I guess the question

in

> my mind, one that might offend many people here, is why would we

> want to circumcise our little boys, particularly if doing so puts

> them at risk for anything.

>

> Anita

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

but I do think that this is yet another area in

> which the medical community has, to put it mildly, failed the public.

Yes, although tradition as pointed out is a big part of it.

But the tradition, except for Jews, started with doctors I suppose.

When I refused to circ n the nurse came charging in wanting to

know why. I just said, " what's the point? I'm not doing it " and then

she told me I had made the doc doing the circs that day so happy, that

he hated doing such a pointless operation.

Nell

[Guest guest]

I was not going to reply to this, however have decided to chime in.

I have to agree with Valentina on this one. I was pregnant with my

son while I was in nursing school, and I was about 8 months pregnant

when I had to observe a circumcision. It was the most horrible thing

I'd ever seen. I had been vasilating between circing and not, and

this experience was the deciding factor, so I chose not to circ my

son. The American Academy of Pediatrics no longer recommends circing

for hygiene purposes, or at all for that matter.

Just my 2 cents....

, proud mom of Drake

>

> > There are many benefits to having your son cir'ed.

> > Hygiene is a big one.

>

> That is not true.

> I can tell you first hand that hygiene has absolutely nothing to

do with

> circumcision. You obviously never saw an uncircumcised penis. The

skin comes

> off anyway. You can wash without problem.

> It is obvious to me that this has absolutely nothing to do with

being clean.

>

> What other benefits are you referring to?

>

>

> Valentina

>

[Guest guest]

yes I have too seen an uncircumcised penis...and I decided to circ

my boys (this is 15-17 years ago) because of that. I know of a few

mothers who wished they would have because of the cleanliness factor.

If it is good enough for God to tell the Jewish people to do it, it

is good enough for me.

Laurel

>

> > There are many benefits to having your son cir'ed.

> > Hygiene is a big one.

>

> That is not true.

> I can tell you first hand that hygiene has absolutely nothing to

do with

> circumcision. You obviously never saw an uncircumcised penis. The

skin comes

> off anyway. You can wash without problem.

> It is obvious to me that this has absolutely nothing to do with

being clean.

>

> What other benefits are you referring to?

>

>

> Valentina

>

[Guest guest]

from what I understand, the medical profession has come a long way

with better and safer ways to circumcise, even in the last 5 - 10

years since my older boys were done.

Laurel

> >

> > > There are many benefits to having your son cir'ed.

> > > Hygiene is a big one.

> >

> > That is not true.

> > I can tell you first hand that hygiene has absolutely nothing to

> do with

> > circumcision. You obviously never saw an uncircumcised penis.

The

> skin comes

> > off anyway. You can wash without problem.

> > It is obvious to me that this has absolutely nothing to do with

> being clean.

> >

> > What other benefits are you referring to?

> >

> >

> > Valentina

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I recently listened to a book on tape of " As Nature Made Him " . The

" complication " in this true story happened some time ago (early 60s) but

affected the family profoundly.

S S

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,<BR>

<BR>

There are complications that go with <BR>

circumcision.  It is a surgical procedure.  I guess the question in <BR>

my mind, one that might offend many people here, is why would we <BR>

want to circumcise our little boys, particularly if doing so puts <BR>

them at risk for anything.<BR>

<BR>

Anita<BR>

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thank you! that would be great!

Laurel

> > >

> > > but I do think that this is yet another area in

> > > > which the medical community has, to put it mildly, failed

the

> > public.

> > >

> > > Yes, although tradition as pointed out is a big part

of

> it.

> > > But the tradition, except for Jews, started with doctors I

> suppose.

> > >

> > > When I refused to circ n the nurse came charging in

wanting

> to

> > > know why. I just said, " what's the point? I'm not doing it "

and

> > then

> > > she told me I had made the doc doing the circs that day so

> happy,

> > that

> > > he hated doing such a pointless operation.

> > >

> > > Nell

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Exactly what I was looking for, thank you Jackie!

Laurel

>

> Read this again and discuss this with your doctor

>

http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/SAFETY/2003/03Feb_PI/AquaMEPHYTON_PI.pdf

>

> Jackie---

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> >I will get us back on topic, since it was my original post to

begin

> > with, I didn't expect to get all the clamour about a personal

> > decision I am making for my son!!!!!!!

> > My question was how safe is the vitamin k shot? The only reason

why

> > I am considering it is because the doc brought up that I am

having a

> > boy. When my daughter was born 2 years ago she did not get the

> > vitamin k shot and it was not a concern to me. My daughter has

> > received 0 procedures...no eye drops, no immunizations, no hib

shot,

> > no vit. k shot...and she is fine and developing beautifully.

> > I only mentioned the circ because that would be the only reason

to

> > get the vit k shot IMO. I have also heard that if problems

develop,

> > he can still get vit k, but orally, to help with clotting.

> > has anyone else experienced this?

> > Laurel

>

[Guest guest]

I have to chime in here also. One of the smarter things that my pediatrician did

was

urge me NOT to circumsize. He said that unless there were religious reasons,

there is

absolutely no reason to put them through that. I bath my boys daily and we have

NEVER had a cleanliness problem. That is a total myth!

>

> <tt>

> ,<BR>

> <BR>

> There are complications that go with <BR>

> circumcision.  It is a surgical procedure.  I guess the question in <BR>

> my mind, one that might offend many people here, is why would we <BR>

> want to circumcise our little boys, particularly if doing so puts <BR>

> them at risk for anything.<BR>

> <BR>

> Anita<BR>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I was not asking everyone's advice on whether I should circumcise,

(that is my personal decision) . I was only asking about the vit k

shot. can we get back on topic - please?!!

Laurel

> >

> > <tt>

> > ,<BR>

> > <BR>

> > There are complications that go with <BR>

> > circumcision.  It is a surgical procedure.  I guess the question

in <BR>

> > my mind, one that might offend many people here, is why would we

<BR>

> > want to circumcise our little boys, particularly if doing so

puts <BR>

> > them at risk for anything.<BR>

> > <BR>

> > Anita<BR>

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I wasn't insisting that at all! I have just had several mothers say

they wished they had because at a certain age when young boys are

bathing themselves, they don't get themselves as clean as moms do

when they are younger, and it can cause problems. And as for

your " be thankful that is all you got " remark, I wasn't aware this

is a group where you flame and attack others for their personal

beliefs, we are in this together and should support one another. And

last time I checked, circumcision doesn't cause mercury poisoning or

autism! I never asked " what do you think about circumcision, in

fact, you are the one that attacked me for mentioning it!!! The

only reason circing was mentioned was because it would be the ONLY

reason to give the vitamin k shot in the first place. I think how

you have responded here is just shameful!

And has probably offended and hurt a lot more parents than just me!

Laurel

> > > >

> > > > <tt>

> > > > ,<BR>

> > > > <BR>

> > > > There are complications that go with <BR>

> > > > circumcision. It is a surgical procedure. I guess the

question

> > in <BR>

> > > > my mind, one that might offend many people here, is why

would we

> > <BR>

> > > > want to circumcise our little boys, particularly if doing so

> > puts <BR>

> > > > them at risk for anything.<BR>

> > > > <BR>

> > > > Anita<BR>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _______________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

> Actually, you should consider yourself lucky that that's all you got.

>

>

> Valentina

Wow, really uncalled for!

[Guest guest]

thank you Kayla! I am thinking that is how we are going to do this.

;o)

Laurel

>

> >I was not asking everyone's advice on whether I should

circumcise,

> >(that is my personal decision) . I was only asking about the vit

k

> >shot. can we get back on topic - please?!!

> >Laurel

> >

> >

> >

> >

>