Re: does anyone know? autism in animals?

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I have always suspected that cows with mad cow were autistic. Get on the

search engine Dogpile (it my favorite because it uses Google) and click on

video and put mad cow on the search engine field to view what a cow looks like

as

Mad Cow. I swear the cow looks autistic. The animals that are being raised

are heavily vaccinated like our children. Many animals have become

suspectible to disease and then the flock or herd is killed but I have always

wondered

have we created an autoimmune response in these animals. It really makes

you wonder????

Kath

[Guest guest]

I know a lay researcher who investigated Mad Cow here in the UK. He noticed that

organically raised cows didn't come down with Mad Cow. So he looked into this

further and found out that organophosphates used earlier to eradicate the warble

fly, a pest, could very well be the cause. The pesticide was poured onto the

spinal region of the cows. (Remember how atteh hieght of the outbreak we were

warned not to eat brain and spinal regions of cows!) Plus organophosphates

chelate copper which reduces copper in the brain. This combined with manganese

enriched food will produce Mad Cow symptoms. Furthermore, the lay researcher had

his house burned down mysteriously and I think his lawyer died under strange

circumstances.

Organophosphates BTW destroy the deactivate the enzyme necessary for breaking

down acetylcholine so that this neurotransmitter stay in the synpases. This has

the effect of heightening the sympathetic nervous system rendering the body

hyperactive, dry mouth, sluggish digestive system, and DILATD PUPILS. Ring a

bell!!!

Re: [ ] does anyone know? autism in animals?

I have always suspected that cows with mad cow were autistic. Get on the

search engine Dogpile (it my favorite because it uses Google) and click on

video and put mad cow on the search engine field to view what a cow looks like

as

Mad Cow. I swear the cow looks autistic. The animals that are being raised

are heavily vaccinated like our children. Many animals have become

suspectible to disease and then the flock or herd is killed but I have always

wondered

have we created an autoimmune response in these animals. It really makes

you wonder????

Kath

[Guest guest]

pesticides seems more likely, particularly those containing arsenic.

S S

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Hello everybody, <BR>

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I talked today to a friend who used to work with autistic children; <BR>

her info seems strange and does not look precise, but maybe someone <BR>

knows anything about it? She says she has seen / heard somewhere that <BR>

there has been a recent increase in autism in rural areas, all around <BR>

the world, and that animals in these (which, exactly?) areas are often <BR>

also displaying autistic behaviors (??). She said, maybe the pollution <BR>

is to blame. I tried to search the Internet for signs of autism in <BR>

animals, but couldn't find anything. What is it all about? Just the <BR>

regular nonsense or something more interesting? <BR>

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[Guest guest]

I didn't mention - she was speaking of WILD animals, ferrets, and

whatever is still left in the woods. (Or maybe I misunderstood her).

That's why she made a guess it was due to pollution.

About domestic animals - actually, I've never gave a thought to the

fact that cows and pigs might be vaccinated, too! Dogs and cats are, I

know (and neutered too...)

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info! That really makes one wonder!

I wanted to ask couple of questions connected with this:

1) I was under the impression that the cows who displayed MAd Cow

and the bodies of the people who died of CJD were analyzed for

prions, and prions were found - but now I've realized I don't know

if it was really the case! Is it?

2) reduced copper, increased manganese - how would this give the Mad

Cow symptoms?

Thank you very much for the info!

Elena

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> I know a lay researcher who investigated Mad Cow here in the UK.

He noticed that organically raised cows didn't come down with Mad

Cow. So he looked into this further and found out that

organophosphates used earlier to eradicate the warble fly, a pest,

could very well be the cause. The pesticide was poured onto the

spinal region of the cows. (Remember how atteh hieght of the

outbreak we were warned not to eat brain and spinal regions of

cows!) Plus organophosphates chelate copper which reduces copper in

the brain. This combined with manganese enriched food will produce

Mad Cow symptoms. Furthermore, the lay researcher had his house

burned down mysteriously and I think his lawyer died under strange

circumstances.

>

> Organophosphates BTW destroy the deactivate the enzyme necessary

for breaking down acetylcholine so that this neurotransmitter stay

in the synpases. This has the effect of heightening the sympathetic

nervous system rendering the body hyperactive, dry mouth, sluggish

digestive system, and DILATD PUPILS. Ring a bell!!!

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animals?

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>

> I have always suspected that cows with mad cow were autistic.

Get on the

> search engine Dogpile (it my favorite because it uses Google)

and click on

> video and put mad cow on the search engine field to view what a

cow looks like as

> Mad Cow. I swear the cow looks autistic. The animals that are

being raised

> are heavily vaccinated like our children. Many animals have

become

> suspectible to disease and then the flock or herd is killed but

I have always wondered

> have we created an autoimmune response in these animals. It

really makes

> you wonder????

>

> Kath

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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thanks a lot! Arsenic really seems possible. I just don't know: she

was speaking about the increase of autism in recent, times, about 5

years, and the symptoms in animals discovered at about the same

time, if I understood correctly - has there been a corresponding

recent increase in arsenic-containing pesticides?

Sincerely,

Elena

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> Hello everybody, <BR>

> <BR>

> I talked today to a friend who used to work with autistic

children; <BR>

> her info seems strange and does not look precise, but maybe

someone <BR>

> knows anything about it? She says she has seen / heard somewhere

that <BR>

> there has been a recent increase in autism in rural areas, all

around <BR>

> the world, and that animals in these (which, exactly?) areas are

often <BR>

> also displaying autistic behaviors (??). She said, maybe the

pollution <BR>

> is to blame. I tried to search the Internet for signs of autism in

<BR>

> animals, but couldn't find anything. What is it all about? Just

the <BR>

> regular nonsense or something more interesting? <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

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[Guest guest]

I have the same question, see high levels of uranium and arsenic in

hair tests from people in Dallas, TX. I even wonder if its from all

the chemtrails, high levels of AL and Barium

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> > <tt>

> > Hello everybody, <BR>

> > <BR>

> > I talked today to a friend who used to work with autistic

> children; <BR>

> > her info seems strange and does not look precise, but maybe

> someone <BR>

> > knows anything about it? She says she has seen / heard somewhere

> that <BR>

> > there has been a recent increase in autism in rural areas, all

> around <BR>

> > the world, and that animals in these (which, exactly?) areas are

> often <BR>

> > also displaying autistic behaviors (??). She said, maybe the

> pollution <BR>

> > is to blame. I tried to search the Internet for signs of autism

in

> <BR>

> > animals, but couldn't find anything. What is it all about? Just

> the <BR>

> > regular nonsense or something more interesting? <BR>

> > <BR>

> > <BR>

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[Guest guest]

Sorry for the ignorance - what does barium do?

BTW, there's a ton of uranium in hair tests of people from Los Angeles

area too. Andy says it is in the soil here.

[Guest guest]

Pesticides, fungicides, etc., contain heavy metals. That's why we

only do organic now. If you look on the EPA's website, quite a few

have mercury in them.

Also, we had a lot of arsenic from fluoride, I guess it's part of

the treatment process for fluoride. If you go to laytondental.com

(our dentist) he gives info on Mercury and fluoride. Fluoride also

contains lead (again as part of the treatment process). We pretty

much avoid all chemicals and use our sauna or ozonated hot tub if my

kids eat anything non-organic which happens at school. They've made

significant progress. My older one was always NT, but my little one

has made such incredible progress.

Best regards,

Debbie

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> > > <tt>

> > > Hello everybody, <BR>

> > > <BR>

> > > I talked today to a friend who used to work with autistic

> > children; <BR>

> > > her info seems strange and does not look precise, but maybe

> > someone <BR>

> > > knows anything about it? She says she has seen / heard

somewhere

> > that <BR>

> > > there has been a recent increase in autism in rural areas, all

> > around <BR>

> > > the world, and that animals in these (which, exactly?) areas

are

> > often <BR>

> > > also displaying autistic behaviors (??). She said, maybe the

> > pollution <BR>

> > > is to blame. I tried to search the Internet for signs of

autism

> in

> > <BR>

> > > animals, but couldn't find anything. What is it all about?

Just

> > the <BR>

> > > regular nonsense or something more interesting? <BR>

> > > <BR>

> > > <BR>

> > > <BR>

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[Guest guest]

Debbie,

thanks for the info, and congrats concerning the progress!

ELena

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Where did you get this info? Aluminum is added to public water supplies in the

fluoridation process.

S S

Also, we had a lot of arsenic from fluoride, I guess it's part of <BR>

the treatment process for fluoride.  Fluoride also <BR>

contains lead (again as part of the treatment process). 

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Another factor could be all the toxic garbage they allow in fertilizers now and

are NOT required to list on the labels. Consider reading Duf 's " Fateful

Harvest " about this in WA.

I don't know how much mercury (thimerosal) is in cow vaccines. Mercury is

bio-accumulative so the ones now would have multi-generational accumulation.

S S

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I have the same question, see high levels of uranium and arsenic in <BR>

hair tests from people in Dallas, TX.  I even wonder if its from all <BR>

the chemtrails, high levels of AL and Barium <BR>

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> > <BR>

> > pesticides seems more likely, particularly those containing <BR>

> arsenic.<BR>

> > S S<BR>

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>

> Another factor could be all the toxic garbage they allow in

fertilizers now and are NOT required to list on the labels. Consider

reading Duf 's " Fateful Harvest " about this in WA.

Also Schlosser's " Fast Food Nation " . You'll never set foot in a

Mc's again.

Nell

[Guest guest]

I supposed such signs are rather subjective... animals do not have human

language patterns... but on the other hand, we do notice when our animals are " a

little off " ...

I had a brother-sister pair of cats that had kittens (back before I learned

about responsible pet ownership) and there was one " special " kitten with close

set crossed eyes... oh boy was he special.... I made sure the family that

adopted him knew they were getting a special needs kitty!!

I can't really recall what behaviors made me dx him as MR, it was 10 years

ago! but believe me, you know when you see it!! lol

poor kitties!

eboudovs <eboudovs@...> wrote:

Hello everybody,

I talked today to a friend who used to work with autistic children;

[Guest guest]

That's why I haven't seen the movie...thank you...

.....we depend on mcd's fries for quick snacks on the road.

[ ] Re: does anyone know? autism in animals?

>

>

> Another factor could be all the toxic garbage they allow in

fertilizers now and are NOT required to list on the labels. Consider

reading Duf 's " Fateful Harvest " about this in WA.

Also Schlosser's " Fast Food Nation " . You'll never set foot in a

Mc's again.

Nell

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[Guest guest]

After watching " Super Size Me " , I haven't so much as set foot in a Mc's

since!

We now go out for fries about once a month to either 's or In N' Out

Burger, and

I even feel guilty about feeding them that.

> >

> >

> > Another factor could be all the toxic garbage they allow in

> fertilizers now and are NOT required to list on the labels. Consider

> reading Duf 's " Fateful Harvest " about this in WA.

>

> Also Schlosser's " Fast Food Nation " . You'll never set foot in a

> Mc's again.

>

> Nell

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[Guest guest]

I do make our own, and doesn't like french fries baked. He wants me to

buy a fry daddy and deep fry them. I was thinking about doing this, then I read

that Andy Cutler said that any oil heated to frying was bad and that deep fryers

were bad.

on the other hand....

Would I be better off deep frying in grapeseed oil in our own fryer than getting

Mcs?

Re: [ ] Re: does anyone know? autism in animals?

> .....we depend on mcd's fries for quick snacks on the road.

Why don't you just make your own ?

Valentina

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[Guest guest]

> .....we depend on mcd's fries for quick snacks on the road.

Why don't you just make your own ?

Valentina

[Guest guest]

> Would I be better off deep frying in grapeseed oil in our own fryer

than getting Mcs?

I think so! Or even coconut oil. One of the details in " Fast Food

Nation " is an interview with one of the potato growers who supplies

McD's. He had to put so many chemicals on the potatoes that he grew

his own separate organic crop to feed his own family. Don't know where

you live, but here in VA organic potatoes are not very expensive.

Also the oil McD's uses is full of trans fats. They used to use beef

tallow, which was actually healthier and really yummy.

Nell

[Guest guest]

I love MCD fries, but we now stop at independent bbq restaurants and get

fries. They usually leave the skin on (more iodine, etc), and don't add all

the taste enhancers. Yum.

Fries are an essential part of driving... they aren't even good once you get

them home. lol.

Cheers,

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Subject: Re: [ ] Re: does anyone know? autism in animals?

> .....we depend on mcd's fries for quick snacks on the road.

Why don't you just make your own ?

Valentina

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[Guest guest]

It was in the original post. Laytondental.com. He is our dentist

and we have spoken with him. Has tons of articles in his office but

also has summarized on his website.

>

> Also, we had a lot of arsenic from fluoride, I guess it's part of

<BR>

> the treatment process for fluoride.  Fluoride also <BR>

> contains lead (again as part of the treatment process). 

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I haven't heard that but I don't see why animals would be any more

immune to mercury. I do know that my sister is training to be a vet

and the vet she is working under said that he beleives the rise in

vaccination of animals is what is causing so much of the allergies,

and diseases he is seeing in animals. Most domestic animals are now

presenting with people diseases at huge increases from what he saw 20

years ago when few people vaccinated house pets. He told her " off the

record " that he would not vaccinate a house pet that does not go

outdoors. It was not worth it.

>

> Hello everybody,

>

> I talked today to a friend who used to work with autistic children;

> her info seems strange and does not look precise, but maybe someone

> knows anything about it? She says she has seen / heard somewhere

that

> there has been a recent increase in autism in rural areas, all

around

> the world, and that animals in these (which, exactly?) areas are

often

> also displaying autistic behaviors (??). She said, maybe the

pollution

> is to blame. I tried to search the Internet for signs of autism in

> animals, but couldn't find anything. What is it all about? Just the

> regular nonsense or something more interesting?

>