Re: Re: Need Advice - Vitamin K Shot

February 4, 2006

you can go to the fda's website and look up the vitamin k shot and read about

the adverse reactions, one adverse reaction that I have discovered from the

shot, was jaundice, now, both of my children were jaundiced, I have a boy (AS)

and a girl (NT).

My sister in law recently just had a baby girl and did not do the eye drops or

vitamin k shot, and all is well.

I know that I will not do it again.

About the boy thing, if you circumcise on the 8th day AND breast feed, the child

will have his own capacity to clot blood, he will get Vit K from breast milk.

It is not a huge issue, but they will try and scare you,....stand firm once you

make your decision!

Plenty of kids have not gotten the Vit K shot and lived.

Hope this helps in your decision.

:0)

Hope

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " autiemom4 " <autiemom4@...>

There are a lot of good resources and information at those sites

Jackie, thank you.

But I am still wondering how safe it is. I am not a vegetarian who

eats a lot of dark green leafy vegetables, how much of a difference

does that make? I am getting some conflicting feedback about this

vitamin K Shot, many are saying it is fine, but I am afraid to take

risks, I already have 3 boys with autism, and one girl with

aspergers. This will be a boy, which the doctor said is even more

reason to give the k shot due to circumcision.

I will definately be closely monitoring (and have other family

members there to help monitor in case I am " out of it " ) the nurses

who are taking the stats and caring for my baby immediately after

giving birth.

Thanks,

anyone else who may have helpful insight would be appreciated!!

autiemom4

>

> Only you can decide if this is something you want to give.... I

WAS NEVER

> told about this one! The only way I knew about this is when I

obtained my

> prenatal/postnatal records which included my delivery information

and

> 's 'routine' medical papers.... then confirmed when I

received medical

> records from the peds office. They apparently receive a copy of

the

> paperwork.

>

> Here is a link and I was pretty ticked about it since the only

thing I had

> to sign for and authorize was the Hep B shot! Since I am in PA

and it is

> routinely given, here is the link....

> http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/pennsylvania.htm It provides links

to

> additional websites about problems with the vitamin K etc... I

would ask

> your doctor as to why he needs it. There are other alternatives.

I wonder

> why we don't have to sign a consent form on this too. Good for

you that you

> are doing your homework now. I didn't even know he received

this. All I

> thought he got was tested for PKU and the MMR. Stupid me!

>

> To find your state: http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

>

> Jackie---

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> > I'll be giving birth in May, and have concluded that no way will

they

> > eye drops be given, or the Hib shot, or any other vaccine shot

for

> > that matter ever...but my doctor (who also has an autistic

child) is

> > strongly urging me to get the vitamin k shot for my baby.

Anyone know

> > of any harm from the vitamin k shot? Is it okay?

> > Thanks,

> > autiemom4

>

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February 4, 2006

Gavin is circ'd b/c in 1996 it wasn't a controversy...

And I got liam circ'd in 2004 --I went back and forth, and just months after

he was born I jumped off the deep end in my views of medicine and health care

and wish I could go back not not circ him, not vit k him, not let them put the

gunk in his eyes.

If I were to have another child tomorrow, I would skip all that.

Have you looked into the stuff about circ's? if you decide to go thru with it,

vit K is a good idea b/c of the bleeding --so I have been told, I looked into

this but never found anything really bad about the shot.

A firend of mine who had a baby around the same time as liam, skipped all

that... nothing. once she had the baby she told the docs to give her her baby

and HANDS OFF!! lol and her baby is 17 month old, vax free and in perfect

health.

My 17 mo old is vax free but did get the shot and antibiotic cream in the eyes

and he is fine and perfectly healthy too.

sorry that doesn't really help, but what every you choose will be the right

decision!

autiemom4 <autiemom4@...> wrote:

There are a lot of good resources and information at those sites

February 4, 2006

How about not circ'ing and skipping the vit K shot? www.nocirc.org is a

resourse that might make you think twice.

shelly

[ ] Re: Need Advice - Vitamin K Shot

There are a lot of good resources and information at those sites

Jackie, thank you.

But I am still wondering how safe it is. I am not a vegetarian who

eats a lot of dark green leafy vegetables, how much of a difference

does that make? I am getting some conflicting feedback about this

vitamin K Shot, many are saying it is fine, but I am afraid to take

risks, I already have 3 boys with autism, and one girl with

aspergers. This will be a boy, which the doctor said is even more

reason to give the k shot due to circumcision.

I will definately be closely monitoring (and have other family

members there to help monitor in case I am " out of it " ) the nurses

who are taking the stats and caring for my baby immediately after

giving birth.

Thanks,

anyone else who may have helpful insight would be appreciated!!

autiemom4

>

> Only you can decide if this is something you want to give.... I

WAS NEVER

> told about this one! The only way I knew about this is when I

obtained my

> prenatal/postnatal records which included my delivery information

and

> 's 'routine' medical papers.... then confirmed when I

received medical

> records from the peds office. They apparently receive a copy of

the

> paperwork.

>

> Here is a link and I was pretty ticked about it since the only

thing I had

> to sign for and authorize was the Hep B shot! Since I am in PA

and it is

> routinely given, here is the link....

> http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/pennsylvania.htm It provides links

to

> additional websites about problems with the vitamin K etc... I

would ask

> your doctor as to why he needs it. There are other alternatives.

I wonder

> why we don't have to sign a consent form on this too. Good for

you that you

> are doing your homework now. I didn't even know he received

this. All I

> thought he got was tested for PKU and the MMR. Stupid me!

>

> To find your state: http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

>

> Jackie---

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> > I'll be giving birth in May, and have concluded that no way will

they

> > eye drops be given, or the Hib shot, or any other vaccine shot

for

> > that matter ever...but my doctor (who also has an autistic

child) is

> > strongly urging me to get the vitamin k shot for my baby.

Anyone know

> > of any harm from the vitamin k shot? Is it okay?

> > Thanks,

> > autiemom4

>

=======================================================

February 5, 2006

I was told it wasn't necessary because there is a lot of vitamin K in

the colostrum, your baby will get when you start brestfeeding. I'll

have to look up the internet for the link.

Nadia

2006/2/4, autiemom4 <autiemom4@...>:

> There are a lot of good resources and information at those sites

> Jackie, thank you.

> But I am still wondering how safe it is. I am not a vegetarian who

> eats a lot of dark green leafy vegetables, how much of a difference

> does that make? I am getting some conflicting feedback about this

> vitamin K Shot, many are saying it is fine, but I am afraid to take

> risks, I already have 3 boys with autism, and one girl with

> aspergers. This will be a boy, which the doctor said is even more

> reason to give the k shot due to circumcision.

> I will definately be closely monitoring (and have other family

> members there to help monitor in case I am " out of it " ) the nurses

> who are taking the stats and caring for my baby immediately after

> giving birth.

> Thanks,

> anyone else who may have helpful insight would be appreciated!!

> autiemom4

>

> >

> > Only you can decide if this is something you want to give.... I

> WAS NEVER

> > told about this one! The only way I knew about this is when I

> obtained my

> > prenatal/postnatal records which included my delivery information

> and

> > 's 'routine' medical papers.... then confirmed when I

> received medical

> > records from the peds office. They apparently receive a copy of

> the

> > paperwork.

> >

> > Here is a link and I was pretty ticked about it since the only

> thing I had

> > to sign for and authorize was the Hep B shot! Since I am in PA

> and it is

> > routinely given, here is the link....

> > http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/pennsylvania.htm It provides links

> to

> > additional websites about problems with the vitamin K etc... I

> would ask

> > your doctor as to why he needs it. There are other alternatives.

> I wonder

> > why we don't have to sign a consent form on this too. Good for

> you that you

> > are doing your homework now. I didn't even know he received

> this. All I

> > thought he got was tested for PKU and the MMR. Stupid me!

> >

> > To find your state: http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

> >

> > Jackie---

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > > I'll be giving birth in May, and have concluded that no way will

> they

> > > eye drops be given, or the Hib shot, or any other vaccine shot

> for

> > > that matter ever...but my doctor (who also has an autistic

> child) is

> > > strongly urging me to get the vitamin k shot for my baby.

> Anyone know

> > > of any harm from the vitamin k shot? Is it okay?

> > > Thanks,

> > > autiemom4

> >

>

> =======================================================

>

February 5, 2006

Why would circumcision have anything to do with vitamin K? If he is so worried

about your son getting vitamin K give it orally. With your history I wouldn't

be taking any chances either!

danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

>>I am getting some conflicting feedback about this

> vitamin K Shot, many are saying it is fine, but I am afraid to take

> risks, I already have 3 boys with autism, and one girl with

> aspergers. This will be a boy, which the doctor said is even more

> reason to give the k shot due to circumcision.

What about taking a vitamin K supplement now, and also later if nursing?

Dana

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February 5, 2006

Okay, now that makes more sense. I was wondering what a well, penis had to do

with a vitamin. Sorry!

Seems vitamin K would be needed but couldn't it be given in an oral form?

Orally given soon after delivery should be working if the surgery wasn't done

until the day of discharge.

I didn't know about the possible complications with that procedure...I had

both of my boys done and wasn't told anything could happen to them like that! I

would have reconsidered if I knew that. Is it possible to wait?

Anita Kugelstadt <mysuperteach@...> wrote:

,

I believe you need the Vitamin K to clot blood properly. Not very

long ago, a little boy bled to death after his circumcision. I

don't know if he'd been given the Vitamin K, but I'm guessing that

he was. It is the norm. There are complications that go with

circumcision. It is a surgical procedure. I guess the question in

my mind, one that might offend many people here, is why would we

want to circumcise our little boys, particularly if doing so puts

them at risk for anything.

Anita

---------------------------------

- Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

February 5, 2006

I did it because I was afraid of not being able to keep the area clean and them

get infections.

Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote:

> I guess the question in

> my mind, one that might offend many people here, is why would we

> want to circumcise our little boys, particularly if doing so puts

> them at risk for anything.

You know, I wanted to ask the same question. I come from a different

culture, where nobody does this. So... what's the reason? Does anybody know?

Valentina

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February 5, 2006

I think others do it because of habit. Dad's want their boys to look like them.

I think I remember my husband saying that at one point. When our second son was

born I sort of thought about not doing it (pain factor) but my husband wanted

both boys to look the same and I was assured they would be numb. Really, had I

been told they could bleed to death I would have really looked into that.

Again too, we have been told a great many things by our doctors. That is

really interesting and I totally trust what you say about the boys you know not

getting infections. I can add this to the list of lies my doctors have told me.

So many things we do are just out of habit. We park in the same are when we

go to the grocery store and sit in the same area at church every Sunday. When

we have a baby, especially for the first time, we are told these things are just

done. It used to be that all pubic hair was shaved off before delivery. Surely

no woman said yeah to that procedure but likely hardly anyone said anything

about it for a very long time since it was just " done that way " . The sheep

running off the moutain effect. We don't think to ask why and what if...

Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote:

In my country nobody circumcises and I've never heard of anything like that.

Honestly! My son is not circumcised, my nephews, nobody I know...

they are all OK in that department. No infections

Is there any other reason, other than this one??

I am not saying that there is no risk for infection if you don't circumcise. I

really have no idea. But I've never heard of anybody having this

problem. Actually, before I came in this country, I didn't even know this is

something done routinely.

Valentina

> I did it because I was afraid of not being able to keep the area clean and

them get infections.

>

> Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote:

> > I guess the question in

> > my mind, one that might offend many people here, is why would we

> > want to circumcise our little boys, particularly if doing so puts

> > them at risk for anything.

>

> You know, I wanted to ask the same question. I come from a different

> culture, where nobody does this. So... what's the reason? Does anybody know?

>

> Valentina

>

> =======================================================

>

February 5, 2006

That's the beauty of a public school education, teaches you to obey obediently

without asking questions. It takes a long time to knock the curiosity out of

children, but, you have to admit, they do a great job!!

Has to be easier now since kids start going to daycare at 6 weeks, and even stay

at home moms have them in preschool by the age of 3 or 4. The earlier you get

them, the easier it is to mold their little minds. The Catholic Church used to

say, give me a child until the age of 6 and we will have them for life.

I read an article once where they talked about the value of homeschooling your

child just until the age of 8. It said the kids were much less suseptible to

peer pressure and scored much higher in independent/critical thinking. I did

send my daughter to a structured Montessori program until the 4th grade. If I

had to do it all over again, I would have kept her there.

Re: [ ] Re: Need Advice - Vitamin K Shot

I think others do it because of habit. Dad's want their boys to look like

them. I think I remember my husband saying that at one point. When our second

son was born I sort of thought about not doing it (pain factor) but my husband

wanted both boys to look the same and I was assured they would be numb. Really,

had I been told they could bleed to death I would have really looked into that.