Guest guest Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 About the NG-Rx, very expensive lecithin and other ingredients you could have for a fraction of the cost. I agree the ingredients/supplements are very useful, we use them: phosphatidylcholine, phosphatidyserine etc. but the MARKUP is practically criminal. Re: Re: NDF Plus In a message dated 20/08/2005 19:06:54 GMT Daylight Time, sarah@... writes: Had a look. Does sound remarkably like PCA-RX and about the same price:) but without the customs.Have you used it yourself? >>>>No I haven;t but, Cally could solve the import tax problems Mail me off list for more Mandi in Dorset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 > Hi, Being new at this, could you tell me what NDF Plus is please?!! Regards Hi all, > > Just a word of warning for anyone on the gfcf diet (or not come to that) > regarding using NDF Plus. > > We have been using NDF for quite a few days now and suddenly has > started hunting for any foods he can get his hands on. He has never been like this > as he has always had a sensory problem. Going in the supermarket is > currently a nightmare! Don't know if it is because he has suddenly become more > aware of food and his sensory problems are going or if he is detoxing and this is > causing him to look for highs. I suspect the latter but I am honestly not > sure. > > On the plus side his imagination which was totally impaired is improving by > the day. Action man alias Bond features highly and is diving, > climbing, eating and many other fantastic feats. Oh for the real thing > mmm............... oops sorry, drifted off there for a minute! Anyway, he has also found > perfect balance as he was always a little ungainly and is now using his arms to > propell himself more on the trampoline. His colouring is phenominal and he > is using correct colours, staying withing the lines etc. (He absoloutely > hated colouring). > > So from my point of view the NDF Plus is definately doing something but I > must remember to lock the food cupboards! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 > Hi, Being new at this, could you tell me what NDF Plus is please?!! Regards Hi all, > > Just a word of warning for anyone on the gfcf diet (or not come to that) > regarding using NDF Plus. > > We have been using NDF for quite a few days now and suddenly has > started hunting for any foods he can get his hands on. He has never been like this > as he has always had a sensory problem. Going in the supermarket is > currently a nightmare! Don't know if it is because he has suddenly become more > aware of food and his sensory problems are going or if he is detoxing and this is > causing him to look for highs. I suspect the latter but I am honestly not > sure. > > On the plus side his imagination which was totally impaired is improving by > the day. Action man alias Bond features highly and is diving, > climbing, eating and many other fantastic feats. Oh for the real thing > mmm............... oops sorry, drifted off there for a minute! Anyway, he has also found > perfect balance as he was always a little ungainly and is now using his arms to > propell himself more on the trampoline. His colouring is phenominal and he > is using correct colours, staying withing the lines etc. (He absoloutely > hated colouring). > > So from my point of view the NDF Plus is definately doing something but I > must remember to lock the food cupboards! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Hi , NDF Plus is a liquid which contains Chlorella, certain probiotics and other products such as milk thistle. Ultimately, it is a way to detoxify metals etc including mercury and is supposed to cross the blood brain barrier. You can find further information at www.highernature.co.uk Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 In a message dated 20/08/2005 19:06:54 GMT Daylight Time, sarah@... writes: Had a look. Does sound remarkably like PCA-RX and about the same price:) but without the customs.Have you used it yourself? >>>>No I haven;t but, Cally could solve the import tax problems Mail me off list for more Mandi in Dorset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 In a message dated 20/08/2005 18:16:18 GMT Daylight Time, Thorpeheather@... writes: You can find further information at www.highernature.co.uk >>>Do you actually purchase it from Higher Nature?. The price is outrageous. BCN sell in USA for $75 which is £41 - of course you would have the issues of duty and shipping to add to that. Maybe Terri can tell us if Scotland will be keeping it via them also? Cally can get it for $75 too Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 > Thanks , Had a look. Does sound remarkably like PCA-RX and about the same price:) but without the customs. Have you used it yourself? Hi , > > NDF Plus is a liquid which contains Chlorella, certain probiotics and other > products such as milk thistle. > > Ultimately, it is a way to detoxify metals etc including mercury and is > supposed to cross the blood brain barrier. > > You can find further information at _www.highernature.co.uk_ > (http://www.highernature.co.uk) > > Hope this helps. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Hi , No I haven't. The reason we are trying it is because it is recommended by Lang from Brainchild. He hasn't been wrong with the things he has recommended to us so far regarding so I had no hesitation in giving it a go. We bought our first bottle from Higher Nature because I wanted to get on with it during the holidays and I had a few hiccups obtaining it from other sources. Next time I need to order it though I will be doing more research regarding costs etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 In a message dated 17/08/2005 10:28:59 GMT Daylight Time, Thorpeheather@... writes: On the plus side his imagination which was totally impaired is improving by the day. Action man alias Bond features highly and is diving, climbing, eating and many other fantastic feats. Oh for the real thing mmm............... oops sorry, drifted off there for a minute! Anyway, he has also found perfect balance as he was always a little ungainly and is now using his arms to propell himself more on the trampoline. His colouring is phenominal and he is using correct colours, staying withing the lines etc. (He absoloutely hated colouring). >>>Hey great improvements! Go ! Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 My DAN doctor wants us to start NDF Plus in two weeks and I think I read something about this before. Is it bad? Is is equivalent to ALA? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 my son takes ndf plus periodically. supposed to soak up excess metals floating around. something like that. vicki marley9697 <marley9697@...> wrote: My DAN doctor wants us to start NDF Plus in two weeks and I think I read something about this before. Is it bad? Is is equivalent to ALA? Thanks. ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 > The NDF is similar to the PCA-Rx in some ways Yeah, both are a toss up as to whether they will help or cause problems. > and yes, you can use > them with other chelators. If you aren't concerned with determining > which is most effective and are just wanting to get the crud out, a > combination can help to detox faster. or may cause problems faster, depending on how lucky you are. > Much of what is in the > " natural " stuff goes in and clears out free radicals along with > pulling metals and dead virus out of the system. Consider it as a > vacuum for the residue that the more " non-natural " agents leave > behind. That was my understanding. ALA is a natural substance. good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Well, I am more confused now then I ever was so I guess I will go with my DAN and start NDF Plus. I will post how things are going so others can benefit. Thanks! > > > My DAN doctor wants us to start NDF Plus in two weeks and I > think > > I > > > read something about this before. Is it bad? Is is equivalent to > > ALA? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 > > Where is Moria's site? > I would like to read that. I like the PCA-Rx but have never used the > NDF. The folks at Maxam says you can use the PCA with other chelators > and I know of one family that had success with the NDF but the child > was high functioing. my site is here: http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ the page with user reports on various products is here: http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Chelation_products.html#NDF > > Most people here are recommending not using it at all. See Moria's > > site for user reports. And let me comment here, that while I am VERY glad to see people using my new page as a reference, y'all will also have to bear in mind that unfortunately I don't have all that many reports (for most of the things). Certainly not a terribly clear case for most of the things listed. At least IMO. good wishes, Moria > > > > Nell > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 > > Where is Moria's site? http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Chelation_products.html#chlorella Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I'm very interested in ALA...I wish my doc at the time had known to use it with the DMSA...now I'm too frightened to use the DMSA. > > The NDF is similar to the PCA-Rx in some ways > > Yeah, both are a toss up as to whether they will help or > cause problems. > > > and yes, you can use > > them with other chelators. If you aren't concerned with > determining > > which is most effective and are just wanting to get the crud out, a > > combination can help to detox faster. > > or may cause problems faster, depending on how lucky you are. > > > Much of what is in the > > " natural " stuff goes in and clears out free radicals along with > > pulling metals and dead virus out of the system. Consider it as a > > vacuum for the residue that the more " non-natural " agents leave > > behind. That was my understanding. > > ALA is a natural substance. > > good wishes, > Moria > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I use it with ALA ... & TD-DMPS -- You'll probably get every answer under the sun, since there is no " right " protocol for everyone. Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not sure if this will help or confuse, but here is a good link on a NDF dosage protocol as well as clinical trials. http://www.healthydetox.org/ndf/ndf_summary.html Regarding ALA and NDF plus, unlike PCA-Rx, which does include lipoic acids- i cannot seem to find lipoic acids as an ingredients in NDF plus- which means you will not be double dosing the lipoic acids in the treatment. Here is also a link for the least expensive NDF plus i have found in case you were curious. http://www.thenaturalhealthadvocates.shoppingcartsplus.com/catalog/item/1449430/\ 908634.htm -jja dxat2in98 <astralweeks1@...> wrote: I'm very interested in ALA...I wish my doc at the time had known to use it with the DMSA...now I'm too frightened to use the DMSA. > > The NDF is similar to the PCA-Rx in some ways > > Yeah, both are a toss up as to whether they will help or > cause problems. > > > and yes, you can use > > them with other chelators. If you aren't concerned with > determining > > which is most effective and are just wanting to get the crud out, a > > combination can help to detox faster. > > or may cause problems faster, depending on how lucky you are. > > > Much of what is in the > > " natural " stuff goes in and clears out free radicals along with > > pulling metals and dead virus out of the system. Consider it as a > > vacuum for the residue that the more " non-natural " agents leave > > behind. That was my understanding. > > ALA is a natural substance. > > good wishes, > Moria > ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Thank you so much. I appreciate you finding the cheaper price! That's great. Jeannine > > > The NDF is similar to the PCA-Rx in some ways > > > > Yeah, both are a toss up as to whether they will help or > > cause problems. > > > > > and yes, you can use > > > them with other chelators. If you aren't concerned with > > determining > > > which is most effective and are just wanting to get the crud out, a > > > combination can help to detox faster. > > > > or may cause problems faster, depending on how lucky you are. > > > > > Much of what is in the > > > " natural " stuff goes in and clears out free radicals along with > > > pulling metals and dead virus out of the system. Consider it as a > > > vacuum for the residue that the more " non-natural " agents leave > > > behind. That was my understanding. > > > > ALA is a natural substance. > > > > good wishes, > > Moria > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Jeannine, I get my NDF plus from Brainchildnutritionals.com -- I think its the same price as this -- since I get my minerals and vitamins there too, only one shipping to pay. Diane > Thank you so much. I appreciate you finding the cheaper price! That's > great. > > Jeannine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 i use ndf plus in addition to td dmps. i dont use it regularly though. vicki dxat2in98 <astralweeks1@...> wrote: > > Thank's everyone, but no one actually answered if this is supposed to > be in addition to ALA or replacement of. I do not want to do to much. > > Anybody? > > Thanks. The NDF is similar to the PCA-Rx in some ways and yes, you can use them with other chelators. If you aren't concerned with determining which is most effective and are just wanting to get the crud out, a combination can help to detox faster. Much of what is in the " natural " stuff goes in and clears out free radicals along with pulling metals and dead virus out of the system. Consider it as a vacuum for the residue that the more " non-natural " agents leave behind. That was my understanding. ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 Has anyone used NFD Plus from Bio Ray? And if so how did you use it( with or with out a chelator)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 We just started using it about 3 weeks ago. We are using a chelator 3 days a week too. We have been having a hard time pulling mercury from our daughter, so we added NDF for that reason. We use NDF every day regardless of our chelation schedule. We are going to continue until December when we will test again to see how she is doing. Jill Elijah's Retreat “YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!! Every significant advance that has happened for autism is the result of the efforts of parents.†- Jepson, MD (NAA Conference, 2005)                                      ________________________________ From: Kathleen Pominville <pominvillek@...> Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 1:32:19 PM Subject: [ ] Re: NDF Plus  Has anyone used NFD Plus from Bio Ray? And if so how did you use it( with or with out a chelator)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 It took FOREVER to see any mercury on hair or urine tests with my son. Some say that is the last metal to be chelated. Regardless, I saw continued improvements in my son's cognition, language and behaviors. Be patient. Try not to get too risky or aggressive. I have not used NDF Plus. For my son, lead excretion came first and from that we saw much of the progress. Mercury might not be the main issue... with everyone. Just a thought. Pam > > We just started using it about 3 weeks ago. We are using a chelator 3 days a > week too. We have been having a hard time pulling mercury from our daughter, so > we added NDF for that reason. We use NDF every day regardless of our chelation > schedule. We are going to continue until December when we will test again to > see how she is doing. > Jill > Elijah's Retreat > “YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!! Every significant advance that has happened for > autism is the result of the efforts of parents.†> - Jepson, MD (NAA Conference, 2005) >  >                                     > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kathleen Pominville <pominvillek@...> > > Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 1:32:19 PM > Subject: [ ] Re: NDF Plus > >  > Has anyone used NFD Plus from Bio Ray? And if so how did you use it( with or > with out a chelator)? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 Thanks, Pam. We have been pulling lots of lead from our daughter for over a year now, so we are hoping that the NDF will help the mercury excretion. I have read about the metals coming out in a hierarchy, so we are just plodding along knowing that sooner or later we will get it all  Jill Elijah's Retreat “YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!! Every significant advance that has happened for autism is the result of the efforts of parents.†- Jepson, MD (NAA Conference, 2005)                                      ________________________________ From: Pamela H <phaselow@...> Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 2:15:56 PM Subject: [ ] Re: NDF Plus  It took FOREVER to see any mercury on hair or urine tests with my son. Some say that is the last metal to be chelated. Regardless, I saw continued improvements in my son's cognition, language and behaviors. Be patient. Try not to get too risky or aggressive. I have not used NDF Plus. For my son, lead excretion came first and from that we saw much of the progress. Mercury might not be the main issue... with everyone. Just a thought. Pam > > We just started using it about 3 weeks ago. We are using a chelator 3 days a > week too. We have been having a hard time pulling mercury from our daughter, so > > we added NDF for that reason. We use NDF every day regardless of our chelation > > schedule. We are going to continue until December when we will test again to > see how she is doing. > Jill > Elijah's Retreat > “YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!! Every significant advance that has happened for > autism is the result of the efforts of parents.†> - Jepson, MD (NAA Conference, 2005) >  >                                     > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Kathleen Pominville <pominvillek@...> > > Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 1:32:19 PM > Subject: [ ] Re: NDF Plus > >  > Has anyone used NFD Plus from Bio Ray? And if so how did you use it( with or > with out a chelator)? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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