Re: Urine toxic metals test

[Guest guest]

> my son's doc did a DMPS IV chelation, and ordered a post provocative

> test from DDI.All metals are within range. Does this mean anything??

In my opinion, No.

> He also ran blood tests and found that his Neutrophils are low.

In that case, be careful with DMSA. It tends to lower them even more in some

people.

> I used to chelate w/DMSA & ALA using Andy's protocol, and saw

> improvements in my son. His Essential Elements hair tests indicated

> mercury toxicity according to the counting rules. However his doc

> ordered a Urine test then (2001) and said that he was not " dumping "

> Hg, so he did not renew his script for DMSA, assuming he was NOT Hg

> toxic. I disagreed. I have not been able to continue with chelation as

> I would like to,

Why don't you buy your own DMSA. Why do you need a doctor's approval for it?

You can also chelate very well with ALA-only (at least when you cannot afford

DMSA).

Valentina

[Guest guest]

--- I began on ALA this weekend again. One of the reasons I have

not resumed is bc I, myself have gone downhill, and cannot focus,

concentrate, remember, etc. This all became worse when a dentisit

filled my wisdom teeth w/...you guessed it, amalgam...so they would be

easier to pull. This was around the time(2001) I began chelating

with Dmsa..and I have gone downhill since..also feeling very

overwhelmed being the only income source, and that only being part

time because of 's school hours.

I want to get on a regular weekend schedule with all my kids again. My

oldest daughter has been pretty depressed, crying for unknown reasons,

etc. I am thinking metals may have something to do with it, I suspect

yeast also. She also has very sweaty hands and feet. 's twin

sister has sensory issues...

What a MESS! I am currently LITERALLY living hand to mouth, but have

been fortunate to find a company willing to help me out. I also have

found a company that is very reasonable in prices.

Lindy

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In , Valentina Scharpf <val999@...> wrote:

>

> > my son's doc did a DMPS IV chelation, and ordered a post provocative

> > test from DDI.All metals are within range. Does this mean anything??

>

> In my opinion, No.

>

>

>

> > He also ran blood tests and found that his Neutrophils are low.

>

> In that case, be careful with DMSA. It tends to lower them even more

in some

> people.

>

>

>

>

> > I used to chelate w/DMSA & ALA using Andy's protocol, and saw

> > improvements in my son. His Essential Elements hair tests indicated

> > mercury toxicity according to the counting rules. However his doc

> > ordered a Urine test then (2001) and said that he was not " dumping "

> > Hg, so he did not renew his script for DMSA, assuming he was NOT Hg

> > toxic. I disagreed. I have not been able to continue with chelation as

> > I would like to,

>

> Why don't you buy your own DMSA. Why do you need a doctor's approval

for it?

> You can also chelate very well with ALA-only (at least when you

cannot afford

> DMSA).

>

>

>

> Valentina

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, but most of it comes out in the feces. Believe me, we ran both tests

several years ago and the difference was amazing!

Barb

[ ] Re: Urine toxic metals test

I've read that ALA excretes metals through both feces and urine.

Jutta

>

> I was told the day after the round would be the best. But Ala

excretes metals through the feces, right? So not sure what the urine

would show, if anything.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anyone know this for sure? Even if it were true that Ala excretes mercury

through both stool and urine you would only be getting half the picture by

testing one, if you happen to " catch " it, that is. I do believe that Ala

excretes mercury " primarily " through the stool, dmsa/dmps through the urine.

[ ] Re: Urine toxic metals test

I've read that ALA excretes metals through both feces and urine.

Jutta

>

> I was told the day after the round would be the best. But Ala

excretes metals through the feces, right? So not sure what the urine

would show, if anything.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you need a doctor to request the urine and feces tests from DDI or can you

obtain it yourself? If so, how?

Thanks.

-

[ ] Re: Urine toxic metals test

I've read that ALA excretes metals through both feces and urine.

Jutta

>

> I was told the day after the round would be the best. But Ala

excretes metals through the feces, right? So not sure what the urine

would show, if anything.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Okay, now I'm really getting confused . We do use ALA and

> DSMA, in about a 2.5 to 1 ratio. So, if ALA excretes through the

> feces wouldn't I expect to see more coming out in the feces?

I had read that ALA excreted thru the BM. However, in chelating

myself, I have recently noticed very sore kidneys on round. I have

taken breaks, reduced the dose, changed the protocol, etc, and still

my kidneys get really sore when I take ALA. So if it excretes

primarily thru the BM, I must have a lot of metal coming out in the

BM, because it sure feels like a lot is coming out thru my kidneys also.

Dana

[Guest guest]

This sounds like potential kidney damage....

Are you going to continue to chelate with ALA Dana?

Eileen.

--- In , " danasview " <danasview@...

> I had read that ALA excreted thru the BM. However, in chelating

> myself, I have recently noticed very sore kidneys on round. I have

> taken breaks, reduced the dose, changed the protocol, etc, and still

> my kidneys get really sore when I take ALA. So if it excretes

> primarily thru the BM, I must have a lot of metal coming out in the

> BM, because it sure feels like a lot is coming out thru my kidneys

also.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

> Dana your comment has me quite intrigued,

>

> Could you please tell me exactly what it was you took,

> Entire content thereof, Brand and amount?

Well, right now the only multi mineral I have is Thorne PicMins [i

ordered a different one which should be here in a few days], but I

don't like taking it every day because in my opinion the manganese is

too high [and caused toxicity symptoms when I gave it to my #4]. But,

I took one of those, plus magnesium and potassium. Plus an adult

multi that I take, that has selenium, iodine, and several other

minerals. I may do more experimentation and try adding in each

mineral separately, I have separate bottles here that I used to

experiment with what my son needed, because he was mineral toxic

previously but had recently needed a little supplementation.

I had been experimenting with dropping all my supplements, to see if

maybe my kidneys had become tired of processing out *all* of the

things I had been taking. This was probably a reason why the OLE was

not entirely effective, because I needed minerals also.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> I just had a look at the Pic Mins you mention and would be concerned

> about the boron it contains,

I bought all the minerals separately when I was trying minerals for my

son [who was toxic in most minerals], and boron did cause problems.

So that is a problem, yes.

But the manganese dose caused toxicity for my #4, nasty symptom.

> I supplement individually, minerals, vitamins and iodine topically

> plus orally and find it works really well,

Yes, this is what I usually do, but I took the PicMins, plus others,

just to determine if it was some sort of mineral/electrolyte

imbalance. And it was, at least partially. So today, I took some

individual minerals, instead of the PicMins.

> Multi's are bad news often wrong amounts and forms.

For my son, multi's have always been bad. I have a few that have

worked for me tho.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am new in this list; please can you clarify how you can notice that

supplement have a toxic effect on brain?

Is it a bad behavior of child or some indication showing that?

Thanks,

Tarek

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On Behalf Of Eileen Prunster

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:00 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Urine toxic metals test

I just had a look at the Pic Mins you mention and would be concerned

about the boron it contains,

Simply because I tried taking varying amounts of boron for its

action in regard to estrogen but found it had a toxic effect on

brain function and ended up cutting it out altogether,

Even 1mg or less wasn't good tried at every couple of days,

I've since found out it's used in rat bait and altho its bound to be

at much higher amounts than I took I really feel better off without

it despite it having a marked good effect on my female cycle.

I supplement individually, minerals, vitamins and iodine topically

plus orally and find it works really well,

Gives a much clearer pic of any filler issues or interactions with

other supps or even as stand alone supps,

Multi's are bad news often wrong amounts and forms.

Thankyou for that info Dana its very interesting.

Eileen.

> > Dana your comment has me quite intrigued,

> >

> > Could you please tell me exactly what it was you took,

> > Entire content thereof, Brand and amount?

>

>

> Well, right now the only multi mineral I have is Thorne PicMins [i

> ordered a different one which should be here in a few days], but I

> don't like taking it every day because in my opinion the manganese

is

> too high [and caused toxicity symptoms when I gave it to my #4].

But,

> I took one of those, plus magnesium and potassium. Plus an adult

> multi that I take, that has selenium, iodine, and several other

> minerals. I may do more experimentation and try adding in each

> mineral separately, I have separate bottles here that I used to

> experiment with what my son needed, because he was mineral toxic

> previously but had recently needed a little supplementation.

>

> I had been experimenting with dropping all my supplements, to see

if

> maybe my kidneys had become tired of processing out *all* of the

> things I had been taking. This was probably a reason why the OLE

was

> not entirely effective, because I needed minerals also.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> I am new in this list; please can you clarify how you can notice that

> supplement have a toxic effect on brain?

>

> Is it a bad behavior of child or some indication showing that?

For my son, behaviors, stims, loss of language, things like that.

Dana