Re: depressed over regression, what is going on?

March 11, 2006

> Behaviors include...very repetitive (he does the same action over and

> over), increased scripting, very emotional - cries if he just drops

> something, very clingy, almost OCDish....and a ton of verbal/visual

> stimming.

This sounds viral to me. Things to consider: Vit A (retinyl acetate

form, you can get a liquid one at Vitacost), olive leaf extract,

Virastop. Try cooking with coconut oil.

Sorry you and he are having a tough time. Those flus are bad business.

Nell

March 12, 2006

Kim, the flu really knocks a lot out of them, and me also. Really, is hard, but

is the normal course of events. Two steps forward, on step backward, etc.

Maddening, but the name of the game. I'm sure in a couple of weeks, he'll be

back where he was.

[ ] depressed over regression, what is going on?

Hey everyone: You know I have to be depressed if I am writing on a

weekend night. I usually never read/post on the weekends with our

crazy life around here..I had to find time though.

Most of you know that we began the ALA addition to our chelation

protocol on Feb. 3rd. We are doing 3 on/11 off, and dosing ala/dmsa

every 3 hours - even at night! We were blown away with the very

first dose of the first round, and it just got better and better. We

had yeast problems, but learned to calm them down, but never actually

beat the yeast, just made it a bit more tolerable.

Then, our son got the flu. During the course of that one week

flu...our son got NO supplements, no medications, diet was a

wreck..no enzymes,,nothing! It was not feasible to give him stuff

and have it just come right back out. I'll spare the details.

Now that he is feeing better...we started chelation again this

weekend. I am doubling up on all of the minerals and anti-yeast

supps...but I know he is yeasty.

THe worse part is...he is more autistic now than ever before.

Seriously, he is an autistic wreck. WHY on earth could we originally

see such tremendous gains in those first 2 rounds, now see such

regression with this round? Can the flu really do this to our

kids? Is this a result of the fact he had no supps for a week?

Behaviors include...very repetitive (he does the same action over and

over), increased scripting, very emotional - cries if he just drops

something, very clingy, almost OCDish....and a ton of verbal/visual

stimming. I really dont think it is due to chelation, but what is

going on?

ANy advice? THanks. Kim

=======================================================

March 12, 2006

Doubling up was probably your first mistake. Here the child probably

hasnt eaten and if you gave him ANY supps on an empty

stomach...nevermind double...probably caused major stomach ache.

When my son was on all the " adult doses " of stuff...he was more

autistic than ever too. Sometimes less is more. I would give his

body a chance to regain it's strength and then start again slowly.

Stomach problems and autistic behavior I beleive go hand in hand. I

pulled all my son's stuff to see what would happen and he is doing

awesome. I chelated him for only 3 months, he is 2.5. I know as an

adult if I take ANYTHING on an empty stomach (including probiotics)

I have a headache for the remainder of the day...and that could

cause autistic behavior in children as well. Just my opinion...good

luck...

>

> Hey everyone: You know I have to be depressed if I am writing on

a

> weekend night. I usually never read/post on the weekends with our

> crazy life around here..I had to find time though.

>

> Most of you know that we began the ALA addition to our chelation

> protocol on Feb. 3rd. We are doing 3 on/11 off, and dosing

ala/dmsa

> every 3 hours - even at night! We were blown away with the very

> first dose of the first round, and it just got better and better.

We

> had yeast problems, but learned to calm them down, but never

actually

> beat the yeast, just made it a bit more tolerable.

>

> Then, our son got the flu. During the course of that one week

> flu...our son got NO supplements, no medications, diet was a

> wreck..no enzymes,,nothing! It was not feasible to give him stuff

> and have it just come right back out. I'll spare the details.

>

> Now that he is feeing better...we started chelation again this

> weekend. I am doubling up on all of the minerals and anti-yeast

> supps...but I know he is yeasty.

>

> THe worse part is...he is more autistic now than ever before.

> Seriously, he is an autistic wreck. WHY on earth could we

originally

> see such tremendous gains in those first 2 rounds, now see such

> regression with this round? Can the flu really do this to our

> kids? Is this a result of the fact he had no supps for a week?

>

> Behaviors include...very repetitive (he does the same action over

and

> over), increased scripting, very emotional - cries if he just

drops

> something, very clingy, almost OCDish....and a ton of

verbal/visual

> stimming. I really dont think it is due to chelation, but what is

> going on?

>

> ANy advice? THanks. Kim

>

March 12, 2006

Kim,

My son is now 11 and it never fails, after a virus,

there is sometimes a return of autistic symptoms for a

little while, then it is over. With my son, it is the

eye blinking tics and some scripting and OCD. I

believe viruses/flus/bacterial infections totally

stress the nervous system, and knock them off kilter

for a bit. IT never lasts, I promise! He will be

fine, been there so many times, but with each year of

age, he is amazing us with mostly acting " typical "

now, Juli

--- Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...>

wrote:

> Kim, the flu really knocks a lot out of them, and me

> also. Really, is hard, but is the normal course of

> events. Two steps forward, on step backward, etc.

> Maddening, but the name of the game. I'm sure in a

> couple of weeks, he'll be back where he was.

>

> [ ] depressed over

> regression, what is going on?

>

> Hey everyone: You know I have to be depressed if

> I am writing on a

> weekend night. I usually never read/post on the

> weekends with our

> crazy life around here..I had to find time though.

>

> Most of you know that we began the ALA addition to

> our chelation

> protocol on Feb. 3rd. We are doing 3 on/11 off,

> and dosing ala/dmsa

> every 3 hours - even at night! We were blown away

> with the very

> first dose of the first round, and it just got

> better and better. We

> had yeast problems, but learned to calm them down,

> but never actually

> beat the yeast, just made it a bit more tolerable.

>

> Then, our son got the flu. During the course of

> that one week

> flu...our son got NO supplements, no medications,

> diet was a

> wreck..no enzymes,,nothing! It was not feasible

> to give him stuff

> and have it just come right back out. I'll spare

> the details.

>

> Now that he is feeing better...we started

> chelation again this

> weekend. I am doubling up on all of the minerals

> and anti-yeast

> supps...but I know he is yeasty.

>

> THe worse part is...he is more autistic now than

> ever before.

> Seriously, he is an autistic wreck. WHY on earth

> could we originally

> see such tremendous gains in those first 2 rounds,

> now see such

> regression with this round? Can the flu really

> do this to our

> kids? Is this a result of the fact he had no

> supps for a week?

>

> Behaviors include...very repetitive (he does the

> same action over and

> over), increased scripting, very emotional - cries

> if he just drops

> something, very clingy, almost OCDish....and a ton

> of verbal/visual

> stimming. I really dont think it is due to

> chelation, but what is

> going on?

>

> ANy advice? THanks. Kim

>

=======================================================

>

March 12, 2006

Interestingly, I started NAET again recently. I had been treated for MMR and

DPT several years ago and those held. I asked the new practitioner to test

virus mix (since I get cold sores from time to time) which she did and I was

reactive. Out of curiosity we also tested polio (I was given at least one extra

polio vaccine as a child) and I reacted to it. We treated for virus mix

yesterday.

S S

> Kim, the flu really knocks a lot out of them, and me

> also. Really, is hard, but is the normal course of

> events. Two steps forward, on step backward, etc.

> Maddening, but the name of the game. I'm sure in a

> couple of weeks, he'll be back where he was.

>

> [ ] depressed over

> regression, what is going on?

>

> Hey everyone: You know I have to be depressed if

> I am writing on a

> weekend night. I usually never read/post on the

> weekends with our

> crazy life around here..I had to find time though.

>

> Most of you know that we began the ALA addition to

> our chelation

> protocol on Feb. 3rd. We are doing 3 on/11 off,

> and dosing ala/dmsa

> every 3 hours - even at night! We were blown away

> with the very

> first dose of the first round, and it just got

> better and better. We

> had yeast problems, but learned to calm them down,

> but never actually

> beat the yeast, just made it a bit more tolerable.

>

> Then, our son got the flu. During the course of

> that one week

> flu...our son got NO supplements, no medications,

> diet was a

> wreck..no enzymes,,nothing! It was not feasible

> to give him stuff

> and have it just come right back out. I'll spare

> the details.

>

> Now that he is feeing better...we started

> chelation again this

> weekend. I am doubling up on all of the minerals

> and anti-yeast

> supps...but I know he is yeasty.

>

> THe worse part is...he is more autistic now than

> ever before.

> Seriously, he is an autistic wreck. WHY on earth

> could we originally

> see such tremendous gains in those first 2 rounds,

> now see such

> regression with this round? Can the flu really

> do this to our

> kids? Is this a result of the fact he had no

> supps for a week?

>

> Behaviors include...very repetitive (he does the

> same action over and

> over), increased scripting, very emotional - cries

> if he just drops

> something, very clingy, almost OCDish....and a ton

> of verbal/visual

> stimming. I really dont think it is due to

> chelation, but what is

> going on?

>

> ANy advice? THanks. Kim

>

>

=======================================================

>

March 12, 2006

> Then, our son got the flu. During the course of that one week

> flu...our son got NO supplements, no medications, diet was a

> wreck..no enzymes,,nothing! It was not feasible to give him stuff

> and have it just come right back out. I'll spare the details.

>

> Now that he is feeing better...we started chelation again this

> weekend. I am doubling up on all of the minerals and anti-yeast

> supps...but I know he is yeasty.

First thought -- doubling the minerals might be causing problems. For

my son, giving any minerals at all, with just a few exceptions, caused

problems. Try reducing the minerals to a normal dose.

> THe worse part is...he is more autistic now than ever before.

> Seriously, he is an autistic wreck. WHY on earth could we originally

> see such tremendous gains in those first 2 rounds, now see such

> regression with this round? Can the flu really do this to our

> kids?

I once watched a cold virus go right into my son's brain. In the

morning, he looked like a typical kid with a cold, playing with

the Tank Engine. Over the next few hours, the cold " went away " and

left behind a kid who no longer talked or played, he just lined up the

trains and ran his face along the line.

Viruses are nasty!

Try adding olive leaf extract and/or Virastop enzyme. Also lots of

vitamin C.

> Behaviors include...very repetitive (he does the same action over and

> over),

For my son, viral.

>>increased scripting,

For my son, folic acid deficiency and viral.

>> very emotional - cries if he just drops

> something, very clingy, almost OCDish....

Viral

>>and a ton of verbal/visual

> stimming.

Viral

Dana

March 12, 2006

Nell, thanks for your reply, I cant get this off my mind. Let me ask

this also....can viral issues mask gains from chelation? When we

initially started ala last month, he was happy, social, talkative, much

less autistic. This time when we re-started ala, he shows none of

those positive traits. Did having the flu cause the virus to go to his

brain, or do what ever a virus does...and mask the gains he would have

received?

And, I agree about the virastop/OLE, I thought of those also. If he is

having a virus thing...how long do we take these to eliminate the

viruses?

Thanks. Kim

>

> > Behaviors include...very repetitive (he does the same action over

and

> > over), increased scripting, very emotional - cries if he just drops

> > something, very clingy, almost OCDish....and a ton of verbal/visual

> > stimming.

>

> This sounds viral to me. Things to consider: Vit A (retinyl acetate

> form, you can get a liquid one at Vitacost), olive leaf extract,

> Virastop. Try cooking with coconut oil.

>

> Sorry you and he are having a tough time. Those flus are bad business.

>

> Nell

>

March 12, 2006

Dana: From reading your answer, it sounds like our kids are a lot a

like. WHen the cold went to your son's brain, how long did it take

you to " get rid of it? " I am assuming that you also took

OLE/virastop also? If so, again, how long before the " normal " kid

comes back?

And, I am laughing...that you also saw the same behaviors and they

were all viral to you also. Maybe valtrex isnt such a bad thing?

But again...sorry to be repetitive also...how long do I give

OLE/virastop before I get my kid back?

Thanks, you are amazing! Kim

>

> I once watched a cold virus go right into my son's brain. In the

> morning, he looked like a typical kid with a cold, playing with

> the Tank Engine. Over the next few hours, the cold " went away " and

> left behind a kid who no longer talked or played, he just lined up

the

> trains and ran his face along the line.

>

> Viruses are nasty!

>

> Try adding olive leaf extract and/or Virastop enzyme. Also lots of

> vitamin C.

>

> > Behaviors include...very repetitive (he does the same action over

and

> > over),

>

> For my son, viral.

>

> >>increased scripting,

>

> For my son, folic acid deficiency and viral.

>

> >> very emotional - cries if he just drops

> > something, very clingy, almost OCDish....

>

> Viral

>

> >>and a ton of verbal/visual

> > stimming.

>

> Viral

>

> Dana

>

March 12, 2006

>....can viral issues mask gains from chelation?

Absolutely.

> When we

> initially started ala last month, he was happy, social, talkative, much

> less autistic. This time when we re-started ala, he shows none of

> those positive traits.

I would guess that same happy social kid is in there, but that viruses

are getting in the way.

>..how long do we take these to eliminate the

> viruses?

Well, the first time I did an antiviral treatment (with Virastop) it

lasted about 3 months, although benefits were immediate. You can check

onibasu for various Virastop/OLE experiences, also Anita made a file

on viruses that's very helpful.

Nell

March 12, 2006

, would you update us on how thigs go with your recent NAET

treatements?

thanks

René

>

> Interestingly, I started NAET again recently. I had been treated

for MMR and DPT several years ago and those held. I asked the new

practitioner to test virus mix (since I get cold sores from time to

time) which she did and I was reactive. Out of curiosity we also

tested polio (I was given at least one extra polio vaccine as a child)

and I reacted to it. We treated for virus mix yesterday.

> S S

>

March 13, 2006

>

> Dana: From reading your answer, it sounds like our kids are a lot a

> like. WHen the cold went to your son's brain, how long did it take

> you to " get rid of it? "

Well, I gave LOTS of Virastop, OLE, and recently added Lauricidin.

For this particular cold, it took maybe 2-3 weeks. But the last time

I *thought* all the viruses were gone, I stopped the anti-virals and

the next cold he got was this one, and it went right to his brain.

So this time, when that cold virus was gone, instead of removing the

viral protocol, I *increased* it. Lots of other viruses are coming

out. This time [last time was about a year] I have been doing the

anti-virals now for 7 months. And just in the last few days, it seems

that my son *might* not need as much anti-virals as he has required

for the last 7 months. Plus he appears to possibly be fully vitamin C

loaded. So I am hopeful.

> And, I am laughing...that you also saw the same behaviors and they

> were all viral to you also. Maybe valtrex isnt such a bad thing?

Valtrex is for herpes virus. I don't think it works on other viruses,

but I don't know for sure. You can certainly try it if you want.

> But again...sorry to be repetitive also...how long do I give

> OLE/virastop before I get my kid back?

Depends on how many viruses are sitting there in his body waiting to

be eliminated. For my son, they come out one at a time in waves.

Dana

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