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Hi Kayla,

We wouldn't be here on this list if one couldn't get mercury out of the body.

Read the FAQs of this list for more info.

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I'm really new to detoxing of mercury and have a question.  I was<BR>

talking to my Chiropractor about chelating mercury from the body and<BR>

he said that it's not possible to get rid of organic mercury by<BR>

chelation.  He says that it becomes a part of the cell and you can't<BR>

get it out.  Is this true?  Thanks!<BR>

Kayla<BR>

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Hi Kayla,

Most *doctors* seem to not know how to get mercury out successfully and

safely -- which is exactly why this list has several thousand subscribers.

Many of the folks here do know how, have done so successfully (for

themselves of others), and share their experiences daily.

Welcome aboard. :-)

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Oh, I know it comes out of cells. When I had a few fillings removed, I

felt sicker than normal. It definitely moves.

Keep in mind chiropractors, while wonderful they can be, metal

poisoning is not their trade.

>

> I'm really new to detoxing of mercury and have a question. I was

> talking to my Chiropractor about chelating mercury from the body and

> he said that it's not possible to get rid of organic mercury by

> chelation. He says that it becomes a part of the cell and you can't

> get it out. Is this true? Thanks!

> Kayla

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Whats the difference between 1)ethyl, 2)methyl, 3)organic, and 4) inorganic

mercury and how does the difference pertain to chelation?

Ethyl mercury, upon crossing the blood brain barrier, becomes quickly

converted to inorganic (elemental) mercury, and has a difficult time

escaping the BBB. That's not to say it cannot escape, and it would

certainly be easier to cross the BBB if it were coverted to methyl

mercury.

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This study has a faulty conclusion, as anyone reading it can see, but

there are some interesting facts which can be gleaned from it.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosal.htm

" The proportion of brain mercury that was inorganic was higher in

animals exposed to thimerosal compared with methyl mercury. "

and

" The mechanisms by which organic mercury is converted to inorganic

mercury in the brain are unknown. "

Etc.

I'm not really sure how this affects chelation. Certainly I've heard

opinion after opinion in this newsgroup about which chelators cross

the BBB, etc. And certainly the study above indicates that organic

(methyl / ethyl) mercury more easily crosses the bodies membranes (as

elsewhere I have read indicating dimethyl mercury can be absorbed

right into the skin and kill someone immediately).

Mark

>

> Whats the difference between 1)ethyl, 2)methyl, 3)organic, and 4)

inorganic

> mercury and how does the difference pertain to chelation?

>

>

> Ethyl mercury, upon crossing the blood brain barrier, becomes quickly

> converted to inorganic (elemental) mercury, and has a difficult time

> escaping the BBB. That's not to say it cannot escape, and it would

> certainly be easier to cross the BBB if it were coverted to methyl

> mercury.

>

> Mark

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> I'm really new to detoxing of mercury and have a question. I was

> talking to my Chiropractor about chelating mercury from the body and

> he said that it's not possible to get rid of organic mercury by

> chelation. He says that it becomes a part of the cell and you can't

> get it out. Is this true?

Not in my family's experience.

Dana

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> >

> > I'm really new to detoxing of mercury and have a question. I was

> > talking to my Chiropractor about chelating mercury from the body

and

> > he said that it's not possible to get rid of organic mercury by

> > chelation. He says that it becomes a part of the cell and you

can't

> > get it out. Is this true?

>

>

> Not in my family's experience.

>

> Dana

>

Me neither. I know I removed some when the some of my fillings were

removed, because I can tolerate sunlight without glasses now!

Something left...Not to mention ALL the studies and research I have

read on mercury and the body show that is does move and can be

removed. Even if you never chelate...if you remove the exposure, in

25 years the mercury will have all gone from your brain. (I just

don' t want to wait 25 years)

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>>>So organic mercury = methyl =ethyl mercury? And thats what most of what

>>>is poisoned with? where does one get exposed t dimethyl mercury is it

>>>quick silver

This study has a faulty conclusion, as anyone reading it can see, but

there are some interesting facts which can be gleaned from it.

http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosal.htm

" The proportion of brain mercury that was inorganic was higher in

animals exposed to thimerosal compared with methyl mercury. "

and

" The mechanisms by which organic mercury is converted to inorganic

mercury in the brain are unknown. "

Etc.

I'm not really sure how this affects chelation. Certainly I've heard

opinion after opinion in this newsgroup about which chelators cross

the BBB, etc. And certainly the study above indicates that organic

(methyl / ethyl) mercury more easily crosses the bodies membranes (as

elsewhere I have read indicating dimethyl mercury can be absorbed

right into the skin and kill someone immediately).

Mark

>

> Whats the difference between 1)ethyl, 2)methyl, 3)organic, and 4)

inorganic

> mercury and how does the difference pertain to chelation?

>

>

> Ethyl mercury, upon crossing the blood brain barrier, becomes quickly

> converted to inorganic (elemental) mercury, and has a difficult time

> escaping the BBB. That's not to say it cannot escape, and it would

> certainly be easier to cross the BBB if it were coverted to methyl

> mercury.

>

> Mark

>

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> I don't think anyone knows for sure 100% how these different

> forms of mercury relate to chelation.

Those of us capable of reading and understanding the technical

literature do. It is quite clear there.

> If it is true that some chelator can't

> cross the BBB, as some say, then it would have a hard time, after

> chelating the rest of the body, getting at the mercury in the CNS &

> brain, where it is needed most.

>

> The next question is then how does the mercury get out of the CNS &

> brain?

Use alpha lipoic acid for chelation.

> It would appear that inorganic, or elemental mercury, has a

> more difficult time crossing lipoic barriers such as the BBB, than do

> ethyl & methyl mercury. In otherwords, the organic forms of mercury

> seem more " bio-available " (are more readily absorbed into the body),

> and whatever attribute makes them that way, also makes them more

> " bio-available " to exit the body.

>

> Unfortunately, the are converted to elemental mercury after entering

> the brain. So one may venture that perhaps some methylation of

> mercury in the brain (in small quantities at a time) is needed to

> convey the mercury in the brain to exit across the BBB.

Methylation of mercury does not occur in mammals.

> What makes even more sense, however, is to eventually include a

> chelator that is known to cross the BBB, pick up mercury, and get it

> back out of the brain, namely, alpha lipoic acid (ALA). We are not

> there yet, with our son, but eventually hope to be at that stage. (If

> done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas of the

> body and brings it into the brain).

This is a superstitious belief in the DAN! community based on

misreading my book Amalgam Illness.

> This is the way I presume it works, but I'm not dogmatic about it (ie.

> I could be wrong).

>

> Mark

>

>

>

>

> >

> > >>>So organic mercury = methyl =ethyl mercury? And thats what most

> of what

> > >>>is poisoned with? where does one get exposed t dimethyl mercury

> is it

> > >>>quick silver

> >

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Hi Andy - no hit and run please explain...

>

> > If it is true that some chelator can't

> > cross the BBB, as some say, then it would have a hard time, after

> > chelating the rest of the body, getting at the mercury in the CNS &

> > brain, where it is needed most.

> >

> > The next question is then how does the mercury get out of the CNS &

> > brain?

>

> Use alpha lipoic acid for chelation.

>

Yes agreed as I wrote below.

> > It would appear that inorganic, or elemental mercury, has a

> > more difficult time crossing lipoic barriers such as the BBB, than do

> > ethyl & methyl mercury. In otherwords, the organic forms of mercury

> > seem more " bio-available " (are more readily absorbed into the body),

> > and whatever attribute makes them that way, also makes them more

> > " bio-available " to exit the body.

> >

> > Unfortunately, the are converted to elemental mercury after entering

> > the brain. So one may venture that perhaps some methylation of

> > mercury in the brain (in small quantities at a time) is needed to

> > convey the mercury in the brain to exit across the BBB.

>

> Methylation of mercury does not occur in mammals.

>

OK if I ask how methylation does occur? I understand certain bacteria

are capable of methylating mercury, and it would seem to me that those

bacteria could live within a mammal long enough to cause methylation.

> > What makes even more sense, however, is to eventually include a

> > chelator that is known to cross the BBB, pick up mercury, and get it

> > back out of the brain, namely, alpha lipoic acid (ALA). We are not

> > there yet, with our son, but eventually hope to be at that stage. (If

> > done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas of the

> > body and brings it into the brain).

>

> This is a superstitious belief in the DAN! community based on

> misreading my book Amalgam Illness.

Not sure which part you are referring to. Use of ALA? I didn't read

your Amalgam Illness book. Shame on me I guess.

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> If done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas of the

> body and brings it into the brain).

Mark, Andy's position is that ALA can generally be used in autistic children

from day 1 of chelation. I was also under the impression that ALA needed to

be added later. As such, we did 2 months of DMSA only.

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> > If done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas

of the

> > body and brings it into the brain).

>

>

> Mark, Andy's position is that ALA can generally be used in autistic

children

> from day 1 of chelation. I was also under the impression that ALA

needed to

> be added later. As such, we did 2 months of DMSA only.

>

Hi Booshka;

That's fine I didn't read that book. I read some writings from his

own observations where he chelated himself and said he felt bad

(physically) when he used ALA early. I figured with kids it would be

the same. Someone else in this group also mentioned not using ALA

right away if you were also high on some other metal (copper?).

Take care,

Mark

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Ala is contraindicated if you are not at least 3 months post amalgam removal.

Also contraindicated in extremely high copper situations as Ala holds copper in

the body.

Most of these situations do not apply to kids who have no amalgams. In the case

of really high copper, it is recommended that you bring the level down, first.

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>

> > If done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas

of the

> > body and brings it into the brain).

>

>

> Mark, Andy's position is that ALA can generally be used in autistic

children

> from day 1 of chelation. I was also under the impression that ALA

needed to

> be added later. As such, we did 2 months of DMSA only.

>

Hi Booshka;

That's fine I didn't read that book. I read some writings from his

own observations where he chelated himself and said he felt bad

(physically) when he used ALA early. I figured with kids it would be

the same. Someone else in this group also mentioned not using ALA

right away if you were also high on some other metal (copper?).

Take care,

Mark

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> Hi Booshka;

>

> That's fine I didn't read that book. I read some writings from his

> own observations where he chelated himself and said he felt bad

> (physically) when he used ALA early. I figured with kids it would be

> the same. Someone else in this group also mentioned not using ALA

> right away if you were also high on some other metal (copper?).

>

> Take care,

> Mark

>

My understanding is that the key point in this determination is how

recently exposure has occurred. IMO, the point in contention here was

not something that was adequately stressed in the book. Most other

professional opinions that I came in contact with before starting

chelation on my son suggested clearing the body before crossing the

BBB. In my mind, this approach was something that I was personally

more comfortable with, as it APPEARED to be a more conservative

(safer?) approach. Whether in fact this is true in an absolute sense

is almost irrelevant. This may sound like a really dumb statement

from a scientific standpoint. But, I am a parent to a much larger

extent than I am a scientist. Like you, I don't want to screw up my

kid. So, I did things " conservatively " . And, I certainly can't fault

you in any way for taking the same approach.

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> That's fine I didn't read that book.

" Amalgam Illness " and " Hair Test Interpretation " are both very useful.

Highly recommended!

I read some writings from his

> own observations where he chelated himself and said he felt bad

> (physically) when he used ALA early. I figured with kids it would be

> the same.

It's not the same because the source of exposure is not the same. For

adults the most common source is amalgams, and for kids, vaccines. The

issue is how recent the exposure is -- if it's less than 3-4 months,

you can't use ALA because some of that free-floating Hg that hasn't

settled anywhere could get taken into the brain (so DMSA is OK). If

the exposure was longer ago, as with most autistic kids, they can

start using ALA in the beginning. If the kid had recently had some

amalgams removed, or had a flu vax with thimerosal, then he would have

to wait.

Nell

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I hope someone can reply to me on this, how do I know when ALA will be safe for

my son if he had gotten the flu vacc last year in Nov. and how is DMSA okay

instead?

lanellici <lanellici@...> wrote:

>

> That's fine I didn't read that book.

" Amalgam Illness " and " Hair Test Interpretation " are both very useful.

Highly recommended!

I read some writings from his

> own observations where he chelated himself and said he felt bad

> (physically) when he used ALA early. I figured with kids it would be

> the same.

It's not the same because the source of exposure is not the same. For

adults the most common source is amalgams, and for kids, vaccines. The

issue is how recent the exposure is -- if it's less than 3-4 months,

you can't use ALA because some of that free-floating Hg that hasn't

settled anywhere could get taken into the brain (so DMSA is OK). If

the exposure was longer ago, as with most autistic kids, they can

start using ALA in the beginning. If the kid had recently had some

amalgams removed, or had a flu vax with thimerosal, then he would have

to wait.

Nell

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> I hope someone can reply to me on this, how do I know when ALA will

be safe for my son if he had gotten the flu vacc last year in Nov. and

how is DMSA okay instead?

DMSA is ok (3 days after exposure, it is ok). ALA should be ok since it

has been 3 months already since his shot. To play it safe, you could

start with a few rounds of DMSA only and then use DMSA+ALA.

If you do not feel confortable using DMSA, then ALA alone is fine too.

I used DMSA with ALA because I read (I think it was from Andy, either

one of his books or here) it speeds up things and also because I did

not know for sure my son's current exposure.

Now that I have chelated him for 2 years, I only use ALA.

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Thank so much, just one more opinion of yours would be much apreciated, I like

to get as many as possible, what would be a safe starting point for his dosages

being only 34 lbs. I really want to take things slow.

ferdeson <ferdeson@...> wrote:

>

> I hope someone can reply to me on this, how do I know when ALA will

be safe for my son if he had gotten the flu vacc last year in Nov. and

how is DMSA okay instead?

DMSA is ok (3 days after exposure, it is ok). ALA should be ok since it

has been 3 months already since his shot. To play it safe, you could

start with a few rounds of DMSA only and then use DMSA+ALA.

If you do not feel confortable using DMSA, then ALA alone is fine too.

I used DMSA with ALA because I read (I think it was from Andy, either

one of his books or here) it speeds up things and also because I did

not know for sure my son's current exposure.

Now that I have chelated him for 2 years, I only use ALA.

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So don't use ALA till later, when????

booshkazoom <booshkazoom@...> wrote: > If done too early, then it

likewise takes mercury from other areas of the

> body and brings it into the brain).

Mark, Andy's position is that ALA can generally be used in autistic children

from day 1 of chelation. I was also under the impression that ALA needed to

be added later. As such, we did 2 months of DMSA only.

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> Thank so much, just one more opinion of yours would be much

apreciated, I like to get as many as possible, what would be a safe

starting point for his dosages being only 34 lbs. I really want to take

things slow.

then you could start at about 1/8 of his weight: 5 mg.

People sometimes get confused and think that the higher amount they

give the faster they will chelate...

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