Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Hi Kayla, We wouldn't be here on this list if one couldn't get mercury out of the body. Read the FAQs of this list for more info. S S <tt> I'm really new to detoxing of mercury and have a question. I was<BR> talking to my Chiropractor about chelating mercury from the body and<BR> he said that it's not possible to get rid of organic mercury by<BR> chelation. He says that it becomes a part of the cell and you can't<BR> get it out. Is this true? Thanks!<BR> Kayla<BR> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Hi Kayla, Most *doctors* seem to not know how to get mercury out successfully and safely -- which is exactly why this list has several thousand subscribers. Many of the folks here do know how, have done so successfully (for themselves of others), and share their experiences daily. Welcome aboard. :-) -- Michele in Limbo (formerly in California) talithamichele@... Visit Michele's World! http://www.califmichele.com " Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. " -- Albert Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Oh, I know it comes out of cells. When I had a few fillings removed, I felt sicker than normal. It definitely moves. Keep in mind chiropractors, while wonderful they can be, metal poisoning is not their trade. > > I'm really new to detoxing of mercury and have a question. I was > talking to my Chiropractor about chelating mercury from the body and > he said that it's not possible to get rid of organic mercury by > chelation. He says that it becomes a part of the cell and you can't > get it out. Is this true? Thanks! > Kayla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Whats the difference between 1)ethyl, 2)methyl, 3)organic, and 4) inorganic mercury and how does the difference pertain to chelation? Ethyl mercury, upon crossing the blood brain barrier, becomes quickly converted to inorganic (elemental) mercury, and has a difficult time escaping the BBB. That's not to say it cannot escape, and it would certainly be easier to cross the BBB if it were coverted to methyl mercury. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 This study has a faulty conclusion, as anyone reading it can see, but there are some interesting facts which can be gleaned from it. http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosal.htm " The proportion of brain mercury that was inorganic was higher in animals exposed to thimerosal compared with methyl mercury. " and " The mechanisms by which organic mercury is converted to inorganic mercury in the brain are unknown. " Etc. I'm not really sure how this affects chelation. Certainly I've heard opinion after opinion in this newsgroup about which chelators cross the BBB, etc. And certainly the study above indicates that organic (methyl / ethyl) mercury more easily crosses the bodies membranes (as elsewhere I have read indicating dimethyl mercury can be absorbed right into the skin and kill someone immediately). Mark > > Whats the difference between 1)ethyl, 2)methyl, 3)organic, and 4) inorganic > mercury and how does the difference pertain to chelation? > > > Ethyl mercury, upon crossing the blood brain barrier, becomes quickly > converted to inorganic (elemental) mercury, and has a difficult time > escaping the BBB. That's not to say it cannot escape, and it would > certainly be easier to cross the BBB if it were coverted to methyl > mercury. > > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 > > I'm really new to detoxing of mercury and have a question. I was > talking to my Chiropractor about chelating mercury from the body and > he said that it's not possible to get rid of organic mercury by > chelation. He says that it becomes a part of the cell and you can't > get it out. Is this true? Not in my family's experience. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 > > > > I'm really new to detoxing of mercury and have a question. I was > > talking to my Chiropractor about chelating mercury from the body and > > he said that it's not possible to get rid of organic mercury by > > chelation. He says that it becomes a part of the cell and you can't > > get it out. Is this true? > > > Not in my family's experience. > > Dana > Me neither. I know I removed some when the some of my fillings were removed, because I can tolerate sunlight without glasses now! Something left...Not to mention ALL the studies and research I have read on mercury and the body show that is does move and can be removed. Even if you never chelate...if you remove the exposure, in 25 years the mercury will have all gone from your brain. (I just don' t want to wait 25 years) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 >>>So organic mercury = methyl =ethyl mercury? And thats what most of what >>>is poisoned with? where does one get exposed t dimethyl mercury is it >>>quick silver This study has a faulty conclusion, as anyone reading it can see, but there are some interesting facts which can be gleaned from it. http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/thimerosal.htm " The proportion of brain mercury that was inorganic was higher in animals exposed to thimerosal compared with methyl mercury. " and " The mechanisms by which organic mercury is converted to inorganic mercury in the brain are unknown. " Etc. I'm not really sure how this affects chelation. Certainly I've heard opinion after opinion in this newsgroup about which chelators cross the BBB, etc. And certainly the study above indicates that organic (methyl / ethyl) mercury more easily crosses the bodies membranes (as elsewhere I have read indicating dimethyl mercury can be absorbed right into the skin and kill someone immediately). Mark > > Whats the difference between 1)ethyl, 2)methyl, 3)organic, and 4) inorganic > mercury and how does the difference pertain to chelation? > > > Ethyl mercury, upon crossing the blood brain barrier, becomes quickly > converted to inorganic (elemental) mercury, and has a difficult time > escaping the BBB. That's not to say it cannot escape, and it would > certainly be easier to cross the BBB if it were coverted to methyl > mercury. > > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 > I don't think anyone knows for sure 100% how these different > forms of mercury relate to chelation. Those of us capable of reading and understanding the technical literature do. It is quite clear there. > If it is true that some chelator can't > cross the BBB, as some say, then it would have a hard time, after > chelating the rest of the body, getting at the mercury in the CNS & > brain, where it is needed most. > > The next question is then how does the mercury get out of the CNS & > brain? Use alpha lipoic acid for chelation. > It would appear that inorganic, or elemental mercury, has a > more difficult time crossing lipoic barriers such as the BBB, than do > ethyl & methyl mercury. In otherwords, the organic forms of mercury > seem more " bio-available " (are more readily absorbed into the body), > and whatever attribute makes them that way, also makes them more > " bio-available " to exit the body. > > Unfortunately, the are converted to elemental mercury after entering > the brain. So one may venture that perhaps some methylation of > mercury in the brain (in small quantities at a time) is needed to > convey the mercury in the brain to exit across the BBB. Methylation of mercury does not occur in mammals. > What makes even more sense, however, is to eventually include a > chelator that is known to cross the BBB, pick up mercury, and get it > back out of the brain, namely, alpha lipoic acid (ALA). We are not > there yet, with our son, but eventually hope to be at that stage. (If > done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas of the > body and brings it into the brain). This is a superstitious belief in the DAN! community based on misreading my book Amalgam Illness. > This is the way I presume it works, but I'm not dogmatic about it (ie. > I could be wrong). > > Mark > > > > > > > > >>>So organic mercury = methyl =ethyl mercury? And thats what most > of what > > >>>is poisoned with? where does one get exposed t dimethyl mercury > is it > > >>>quick silver > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Hi Andy - no hit and run please explain... > > > If it is true that some chelator can't > > cross the BBB, as some say, then it would have a hard time, after > > chelating the rest of the body, getting at the mercury in the CNS & > > brain, where it is needed most. > > > > The next question is then how does the mercury get out of the CNS & > > brain? > > Use alpha lipoic acid for chelation. > Yes agreed as I wrote below. > > It would appear that inorganic, or elemental mercury, has a > > more difficult time crossing lipoic barriers such as the BBB, than do > > ethyl & methyl mercury. In otherwords, the organic forms of mercury > > seem more " bio-available " (are more readily absorbed into the body), > > and whatever attribute makes them that way, also makes them more > > " bio-available " to exit the body. > > > > Unfortunately, the are converted to elemental mercury after entering > > the brain. So one may venture that perhaps some methylation of > > mercury in the brain (in small quantities at a time) is needed to > > convey the mercury in the brain to exit across the BBB. > > Methylation of mercury does not occur in mammals. > OK if I ask how methylation does occur? I understand certain bacteria are capable of methylating mercury, and it would seem to me that those bacteria could live within a mammal long enough to cause methylation. > > What makes even more sense, however, is to eventually include a > > chelator that is known to cross the BBB, pick up mercury, and get it > > back out of the brain, namely, alpha lipoic acid (ALA). We are not > > there yet, with our son, but eventually hope to be at that stage. (If > > done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas of the > > body and brings it into the brain). > > This is a superstitious belief in the DAN! community based on > misreading my book Amalgam Illness. Not sure which part you are referring to. Use of ALA? I didn't read your Amalgam Illness book. Shame on me I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 > If done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas of the > body and brings it into the brain). Mark, Andy's position is that ALA can generally be used in autistic children from day 1 of chelation. I was also under the impression that ALA needed to be added later. As such, we did 2 months of DMSA only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 > > > If done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas of the > > body and brings it into the brain). > > > Mark, Andy's position is that ALA can generally be used in autistic children > from day 1 of chelation. I was also under the impression that ALA needed to > be added later. As such, we did 2 months of DMSA only. > Hi Booshka; That's fine I didn't read that book. I read some writings from his own observations where he chelated himself and said he felt bad (physically) when he used ALA early. I figured with kids it would be the same. Someone else in this group also mentioned not using ALA right away if you were also high on some other metal (copper?). Take care, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Ala is contraindicated if you are not at least 3 months post amalgam removal. Also contraindicated in extremely high copper situations as Ala holds copper in the body. Most of these situations do not apply to kids who have no amalgams. In the case of really high copper, it is recommended that you bring the level down, first. [ ] Re: organic mercury > > > If done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas of the > > body and brings it into the brain). > > > Mark, Andy's position is that ALA can generally be used in autistic children > from day 1 of chelation. I was also under the impression that ALA needed to > be added later. As such, we did 2 months of DMSA only. > Hi Booshka; That's fine I didn't read that book. I read some writings from his own observations where he chelated himself and said he felt bad (physically) when he used ALA early. I figured with kids it would be the same. Someone else in this group also mentioned not using ALA right away if you were also high on some other metal (copper?). Take care, Mark ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 > Hi Booshka; > > That's fine I didn't read that book. I read some writings from his > own observations where he chelated himself and said he felt bad > (physically) when he used ALA early. I figured with kids it would be > the same. Someone else in this group also mentioned not using ALA > right away if you were also high on some other metal (copper?). > > Take care, > Mark > My understanding is that the key point in this determination is how recently exposure has occurred. IMO, the point in contention here was not something that was adequately stressed in the book. Most other professional opinions that I came in contact with before starting chelation on my son suggested clearing the body before crossing the BBB. In my mind, this approach was something that I was personally more comfortable with, as it APPEARED to be a more conservative (safer?) approach. Whether in fact this is true in an absolute sense is almost irrelevant. This may sound like a really dumb statement from a scientific standpoint. But, I am a parent to a much larger extent than I am a scientist. Like you, I don't want to screw up my kid. So, I did things " conservatively " . And, I certainly can't fault you in any way for taking the same approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 > > That's fine I didn't read that book. " Amalgam Illness " and " Hair Test Interpretation " are both very useful. Highly recommended! I read some writings from his > own observations where he chelated himself and said he felt bad > (physically) when he used ALA early. I figured with kids it would be > the same. It's not the same because the source of exposure is not the same. For adults the most common source is amalgams, and for kids, vaccines. The issue is how recent the exposure is -- if it's less than 3-4 months, you can't use ALA because some of that free-floating Hg that hasn't settled anywhere could get taken into the brain (so DMSA is OK). If the exposure was longer ago, as with most autistic kids, they can start using ALA in the beginning. If the kid had recently had some amalgams removed, or had a flu vax with thimerosal, then he would have to wait. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 I hope someone can reply to me on this, how do I know when ALA will be safe for my son if he had gotten the flu vacc last year in Nov. and how is DMSA okay instead? lanellici <lanellici@...> wrote: > > That's fine I didn't read that book. " Amalgam Illness " and " Hair Test Interpretation " are both very useful. Highly recommended! I read some writings from his > own observations where he chelated himself and said he felt bad > (physically) when he used ALA early. I figured with kids it would be > the same. It's not the same because the source of exposure is not the same. For adults the most common source is amalgams, and for kids, vaccines. The issue is how recent the exposure is -- if it's less than 3-4 months, you can't use ALA because some of that free-floating Hg that hasn't settled anywhere could get taken into the brain (so DMSA is OK). If the exposure was longer ago, as with most autistic kids, they can start using ALA in the beginning. If the kid had recently had some amalgams removed, or had a flu vax with thimerosal, then he would have to wait. Nell ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 > > I hope someone can reply to me on this, how do I know when ALA will be safe for my son if he had gotten the flu vacc last year in Nov. and how is DMSA okay instead? DMSA is ok (3 days after exposure, it is ok). ALA should be ok since it has been 3 months already since his shot. To play it safe, you could start with a few rounds of DMSA only and then use DMSA+ALA. If you do not feel confortable using DMSA, then ALA alone is fine too. I used DMSA with ALA because I read (I think it was from Andy, either one of his books or here) it speeds up things and also because I did not know for sure my son's current exposure. Now that I have chelated him for 2 years, I only use ALA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Thank so much, just one more opinion of yours would be much apreciated, I like to get as many as possible, what would be a safe starting point for his dosages being only 34 lbs. I really want to take things slow. ferdeson <ferdeson@...> wrote: > > I hope someone can reply to me on this, how do I know when ALA will be safe for my son if he had gotten the flu vacc last year in Nov. and how is DMSA okay instead? DMSA is ok (3 days after exposure, it is ok). ALA should be ok since it has been 3 months already since his shot. To play it safe, you could start with a few rounds of DMSA only and then use DMSA+ALA. If you do not feel confortable using DMSA, then ALA alone is fine too. I used DMSA with ALA because I read (I think it was from Andy, either one of his books or here) it speeds up things and also because I did not know for sure my son's current exposure. Now that I have chelated him for 2 years, I only use ALA. ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 So don't use ALA till later, when???? booshkazoom <booshkazoom@...> wrote: > If done too early, then it likewise takes mercury from other areas of the > body and brings it into the brain). Mark, Andy's position is that ALA can generally be used in autistic children from day 1 of chelation. I was also under the impression that ALA needed to be added later. As such, we did 2 months of DMSA only. ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 > > Thank so much, just one more opinion of yours would be much apreciated, I like to get as many as possible, what would be a safe starting point for his dosages being only 34 lbs. I really want to take things slow. then you could start at about 1/8 of his weight: 5 mg. People sometimes get confused and think that the higher amount they give the faster they will chelate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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