Oodles of results - Please help this swamped mama!!!

[Guest guest]

Three of our five children have had extensive testing, and the

results are listed below. I'd love your feedback on chelation

methods, suggestions, doctors, etc.

Please note with all these boys the unusually high silver levels. I

have no clue what this means, but I know it puts them universally off

the charts in terms of silver toxicity. The first does not fit

mercury toxicity as determined by the counting rules, but the next

two certainly do. Curiously, the first had some unusual CBC things,

including elevated liver SGOT, noted below. None have amalgam

fillings, but I had four or five while pregnant.

Son #1 16 yrs old – Aspie??

DDI Hair analysis

POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

element result ref range color

=============================================

aluminum 6.8 8.0 green

antimony 0.030 0.066 green

arsenic 0.075 <0.080 green

beryllium <0.01 <0.020 below green

bismuth 0.040 <0.060 green

cadmium 0.065 <0.15 green

lead 0.36 <1.5 green

mercury 0.22 <0.40 green

platinum <0.003 <0.005 below green

thallium <0.001 <0.010 below green

thorium <0.001 <0.005 below green

uranium 0.016 <0.060 green

nickel 0.20 <0.40 green

silver 2.9 <0.13 RED (as in very!)

tin 0.37 <0.30 yellow

titanium 0.47 <1.0 green

ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

element result ref range color under/over 50%

============================================================

Calcium 553 200-700 green over

Magnesium 64 18-70 white under

Sodium 89 12-90 green over

Potassium 29 10-40 green over

Copper 30 10-30 green over

Zinc 160 130-200 green under

Manganese 0.17 0.15-0.65 green under

Chromium 0.33 0.20-0.40 green over

Vanadium 0.030 0.020-0.075 green under

Molybdenum 0.048 0.031-0.062 green over

Boron 0.99 0.34-3.0 green under

Iodine 2.7 0.25-1.3 yellow over

Lithium 0.006 0.007-0.023 yellow under

Phosphorus 134 160-250 yellow under

Selenium 0.93 0.95-1.7 yellow under

Strontium 1.6 0.30-3.2 green over

Sulfur 48800 44000-52000 green over

Barium 0.70 0.17-1.5 green over

Cobalt 0.013 0.013-0.035 green under

Iron 8.1 5.8-13 white at

Germanium 0.041 0.045-0.065 yellow under

Rubidium 0.035 0.009-0.090 green over

Zirconium 0.20 0.047-0.70 white at

Counting rules synopsis:

· Number above 50%: 11

· Number very elevated: none

· Number in the middle: 18

· Other patterns: Calcium not elevated, and does not fit the

all low pattern either.

He does not seem to fit the mercury toxic profile on any level.

Other relevant info:

Seems to have many of the traits of Asperger's, but very high

functioning (will likely be valedictorian, great roles in school

plays, good friends, etc), such that no one else would know the

discomfort he's in. Visual disturbances, anxiety, hyper sensitivities

to sights, sounds, smells, very spacey as a child, but improved. Some

allergies (GFCF, to start with), but not nearly as excessive as the

other two. Slightly elevated Hemoglobin (16.3, ref 11.6-14.8) and

Hematocrit (46.8, ref 34-46), as well as SGOT, aka " AST " (63, ref 0-

40) and low serum copper of 61 (ref 70-155). They requested a 24 hour

copper urine to check into possibility of 's Disease (genetic

inability to chelate copper – low serum copper indicates possibility

of storing up copper in the liver, which is universally fatal if not

caught and treated early, ironically via chelation w/ zinc – even in

conventional medical circles – and subsequent lower doses of it

throughout lifetime!) Test was negative. He was highly pyrroleuric,

and has a need for MUCH sleep relative to his age group. By Thursday

or Friday after school he invariably comes home after school and

either goes to bed for the night, or takes a long nap, wakes for a

couple of hours, and then sleeps through the night. Although he

enjoys people, he absolutely needs a reprieve from them, or he

becomes brutally " honest " (sometimes inappropriately so!). He knows

this, and compensates for it by making sure to get enough sleep and

by avoiding people when he hasn't. Chronic asthma, sinus infections,

steroids, etc.

Son # 2 - 12 years old – ADHD

DDI – hair analysis

POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

element result ref range color

=============================================

aluminum 16 <8.0 yellow

antimony 0.076 <0.066 yellow

arsenic 0.021 <0.080 green

beryllium <0.01 <0.020 below green

bismuth 0.094 <0.060 yellow

cadmium 0.36 <0.15 yellow

lead 0.74 <1.5 green

mercury 0.25 <0.40 green

platinum <0.003 <0.005 below green

thallium <0.001 <0.010 below green

thorium <0.001 <0.005 below green

uranium 0.029 <0.060 green

nickel 0.47 <0.40 yellow

silver 1.7 <0.13 RED (as in very!)

tin 0.12 <0.30 green

titanium 0.76 <1.0 green

ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

element result ref range color under/over 50%

============================================================

Calcium 1450 200-700 yellow over

Magnesium 93 18-70 yellow over

Sodium 18 12-90 green under

Potassium 18 10-40 green over

Copper 690 10-30 RED over

Zinc 190 130-200 green over

Manganese 0.31 0.15-0.65 white over

Chromium 0.34 0.20-0.40 green over

Vanadium 0.13 0.020-0.075 yellow over

Molybdenum 0.044 0.031-0.062 green at

Boron 3.4 0.34-3.0 yellow over

Iodine 0.61 0.25-1.3 white over

Lithium 0.005 0.007-0.023 yellow under

Phosphorus 149 160-250 yellow under

Selenium 0.78 0.95-1.7 yellow under

Strontium 3.1 0.30-3.2 green over

Sulfur 45700 44000-52000 green under

Barium 2.1 0.17-1.5 yellow over

Cobalt 0.026 0.013-0.035 green over

Iron 16 5.8-13 yellow over

Germanium 0.057 0.045-0.065 green over

Rubidium 0.024 0.009-0.090 white under

Zirconium 0.45 0.047-0.70 green over

Counting rules synopsis:

· Number above 50%: 16

· Number very elevated: Just one

· Number in the middle: 13

· Other patterns: Vastly elevated calcium and very low

lithium. Though he comes close on a couple of the other qualifiers,

this is the one that seals the deal

Other relevant info:

Multiple allergies & sensitivities, very pyrroleuric. Contentious,

negative and difficult. Given to histrionics, especially over typical

childhood mishaps (knocking a limb on a table, for example). Anxiety,

visual disturbances. Significant learning disabilities. Bloodwork

showed high monocytes (14, ref 4-13), high BUN/Creatinine Ratio (28,

ref 8-27), low T4 (Direct) (0.90, ref 0.92-1.57), low plasma zinc

(67, ref 70-150). This is the child that wears us out, and whose

difficulties have driven us to seek answers. Interestingly, the

autism world is the best place to find them.

Son #3 – 9 yrs old – Aspie

DDI – hair analysis

POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

element result ref range color

=============================================

aluminum 14 8.0 yellow

antimony 0.065 0.066 green

arsenic 0.032 <0.080 green

beryllium <0.01 <0.020 below green

bismuth 0.12 <0.12 green

cadmium 0.25 <0.15 yellow

lead 1.1 <1.0 yellow

mercury 0.07 <0.40 green

platinum <0.003 <0.005 below green

thallium <0.001 <0.010 below green

thorium <0.001 <0.005 below green

uranium 0.010 <0.060 green

nickel 0.63 <0.40 yellow

silver 4.9 <0.13 RED (as in very!)

tin 0.31 <0.30 yellow

titanium 0.90 <1.0 green

ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

element result ref range color under/over 50%

============================================================

Calcium 899 160-500 yellow over

Magnesium 85 12-50 yellow over

Sodium 9 12-90 yellow under

Potassium <3 10-40 red under

Copper 320 9-30 RED over

Zinc 200 110-190 yellow over

Manganese 0.31 0.18-0.60 white over

Chromium 0.44 0.23-0.50 green over

Vanadium 0.28 0.025-0.10 red over

Molybdenum 0.094 0.040-0.089 yellow over

Boron 1.7 0.5-3.5 green over

Iodine 0.48 0.25-1.3 green under

Lithium 0.015 0.007-0.023 green over

Phosphorus 146 160-250 yellow under

Selenium 2.0 0.95-1.7 yellow over

Strontium 2.5 0.21-2.1 yellow over

Sulfur 44000 45500-53000 yellow under

Barium 1.8 0.19-1.6 yellow over

Cobalt 0.056 0.013-0.035 yellow over

Iron 30 .0-17 yellow over

Germanium 0.056 0.045-0.065 white over

Rubidium 0.011 0.008-0.080 green under

Zirconium 0.87 0.060-0.70 yellow over

Counting rules synopsis:

· Number above 50%: 17

· Number very elevated: three

· Number in the middle: 7

· Other patterns: Elevated calcium and magnesium, and low

sodium and potassium

So he just misses it on the first two counts, and hits it on points

three and four

Other relevant info:

Multiple, multiple, multiple allergies (can you say, " ingredient-free

cooking " ?), repeated sinus infections, asthma w/ many rounds of

steriods. Tested negative for celiac's disease (but needed to be

tested in light of many allergies), slightly pyroluric. Elevated

serum glucose (100, ref 65-99) and elevated BUN/Creatinine (32, ref 8-

27). VERY spacey, very bright, very loving, very much fun!

*Sigh* Anyone want to cook for seven three times a day, avoiding

wheat, dairy, rice, corn, soy, eggs, corn, chicken, lamb, pork, fish

(primarily b/c of mercury rather than allergies, although there were

some fish allergies), almonds, peanuts, cashews, oranges, apples,

broccoli, celery, tomatoes, garlic, potatoes, carrots, oats, barley,

rye, yeast, peppers, pepper, yada, yada..... My life has turned on

end in the past six months! Sometimes I want to go back to the days

of medicating, and just not knowing. But how can I? Is there anything

we won't do for our children? So exhausting, but so worth it!

On behalf of oodles of Olsons,

Sara

[Guest guest]

> Please note with all these boys the unusually high silver levels. I

> have no clue what this means, but I know it puts them universally off

> the charts in terms of silver toxicity.

Find sources of current exposures and consider eliminating them.

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

> Selenium 0.93 0.95-1.7 yellow under

Adding selenium was very beneficial for my son.

>>Visual disturbances, anxiety, hyper sensitivities

> to sights, sounds, smells, very spacey as a child, but improved.

Sensitivities, for my kids, meant yeast overgrowth

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> or Friday after school he invariably comes home after school and

> either goes to bed for the night, or takes a long nap, wakes for a

> couple of hours, and then sleeps through the night.

This sounds like the adult manifestation of phenol intolerance

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

>>Chronic asthma,

This is food intolerance for me.

> Iron 16 5.8-13 yellow over

My son was iron toxic, so you might want to consider a full body iron

panel.

> Other relevant info:

> Multiple allergies & sensitivities, very pyrroleuric.

I have vague memories that B6 is helpful for pyroleuria.

> visual disturbances.

On this page is what helped my son with visual issues

http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

> Calcium 899 160-500 yellow over

My son was high iron AND high calcium. I used IP6 to remove the

excess. The high levels caused oppositional/defiant behavior for him.

> Other relevant info:

> Multiple, multiple, multiple allergies (can you say, " ingredient-free

> cooking " ?),

My son was like this. HNI enzymes helped with many food issues, altho

not all

http://www.houstonni.com/

ALA chelation removed all my son's food problems.

>> repeated sinus infections,

This was yeast overgrowth for my son.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>> asthma

This is food intolerance and metal toxicity for me personally.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana.

I went to your website to see how to chelate copper, and was still

unclear. It looked like zinc and some other things, which we are

largely getting from Pfeiffer supplements. I found it confusing b/c

when I looked through Andy's posts re MT disfunction, he said the

Pfeiffer supplements won't chelate anything. Can you help clarify? Do

you recommend with the high levels of copper that we even chelate at

all?

How do we know where the copper is from? How do I know if I have

copper pipes? We had the water tested, and there was nothing at all

out of bounds. We've had a pool, and I don't know what algecides we'd

used. It's broken now, and we're planning to reinstall. Any

suggestions for purification systems? I know an electronator uses

salt, but that would not elimnate the need for algecides.

Thanks,

Sara

> > Please note with all these boys the unusually high silver levels.

I

> > have no clue what this means, but I know it puts them universally

off

> > the charts in terms of silver toxicity.

>

>

> Find sources of current exposures and consider eliminating them.

>

> http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

>

>

> > Selenium 0.93 0.95-1.7 yellow under

>

>

> Adding selenium was very beneficial for my son.

>

>

> >>Visual disturbances, anxiety, hyper sensitivities

> > to sights, sounds, smells, very spacey as a child, but improved.

>

>

> Sensitivities, for my kids, meant yeast overgrowth

>

> http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>

>

> > or Friday after school he invariably comes home after school and

> > either goes to bed for the night, or takes a long nap, wakes for

a

> > couple of hours, and then sleeps through the night.

>

>

> This sounds like the adult manifestation of phenol intolerance

>

> http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

>

>

> >>Chronic asthma,

>

>

> This is food intolerance for me.

>

>

> > Iron 16 5.8-13 yellow over

>

>

> My son was iron toxic, so you might want to consider a full body

iron

> panel.

>

>

> > Other relevant info:

> > Multiple allergies & sensitivities, very pyrroleuric.

>

>

> I have vague memories that B6 is helpful for pyroleuria.

>

>

> > visual disturbances.

>

>

> On this page is what helped my son with visual issues

>

> http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

>

>

> > Calcium 899 160-500 yellow over

>

>

> My son was high iron AND high calcium. I used IP6 to remove the

> excess. The high levels caused oppositional/defiant behavior for

him.

>

>

> > Other relevant info:

> > Multiple, multiple, multiple allergies (can you say, " ingredient-

free

> > cooking " ?),

>

>

> My son was like this. HNI enzymes helped with many food issues,

altho

> not all

>

> http://www.houstonni.com/

>

> ALA chelation removed all my son's food problems.

>

>

> >> repeated sinus infections,

>

>

> This was yeast overgrowth for my son.

>

> http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>

>

> >> asthma

>

>

> This is food intolerance and metal toxicity for me personally.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Comments interspersed all the way through:

>

> Three of our five children have had extensive testing, and the

> results are listed below. I'd love your feedback on chelation

> methods, suggestions, doctors, etc.

you can generally find my advice about chelation methods here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html

you can find some of my thoughts about doctors here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_find_doctor.html

Not all of my thoughts, but some, anyway.

you can find more of my suggestions here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

as well as in the archives of this list.

> Please note with all these boys the unusually high silver levels.

I

> have no clue what this means, but I know it puts them universally

off

> the charts in terms of silver toxicity.

I don't know much about it, but it doesn't seem " good " .

> The first does not fit

> mercury toxicity as determined by the counting rules, but the next

> two certainly do. Curiously, the first had some unusual CBC

things,

> including elevated liver SGOT, noted below.

I do NOT know about the liver test values you are discussing,

but general things to help the liver might be a good idea.....

(Oh, why am I so tired of writing this list? ACK. )

Here are 2 prior posts of mine about " liver stuff "

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/124272.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/35181.html

Here is some text I wrote and saved about " liver support stuff " :

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Suggestions for liver support:

1. Traditional Chinese Medicine (e.g. accupunture-- if you find

a pediatric accupunturist they can work on using treatment methods

that work with your child, doesn't have to be needles. My

accupunturist uses VERY fine needles with me, for example.)

2. fenugreek seed sprouts (you'll have to make them yourself,

from seed, but it is not hard)

3. low or no use of: alcohol, drugs, hormones (including in

much commercial meat/chicken), pesticides, chemicals....

4. beets (in moderation)

5. artichoke (extract or food)

6. Milk Thistle (recommend as an extract).

7. coffee enemas (see work of Max Gerson) (generally not

appropriate for children)

8. use of ozone gas over the liver (not generally available

to most people. But for anyone who does have a medical ozone

generator, " cupping " over the liver is good).

9. I've heard that massage over the liver area can also be

helpful.

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> None have amalgam

> fillings, but I had four or five while pregnant.

>

> Son #1 16 yrs old – Aspie??

> DDI Hair analysis

>

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> =============================================

> aluminum 6.8 8.0 green

> antimony 0.030 0.066 green

> arsenic 0.075 <0.080 green

> beryllium <0.01 <0.020 below green

> bismuth 0.040 <0.060 green

> cadmium 0.065 <0.15 green

> lead 0.36 <1.5 green

> mercury 0.22 <0.40 green

> platinum <0.003 <0.005 below green

> thallium <0.001 <0.010 below green

> thorium <0.001 <0.005 below green

> uranium 0.016 <0.060 green

> nickel 0.20 <0.40 green

> silver 2.9 <0.13 RED (as in very!)

> tin 0.37 <0.30 yellow

> titanium 0.47 <1.0 green

>

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 553 200-700 green over

> Magnesium 64 18-70 white under

> Sodium 89 12-90 green over

> Potassium 29 10-40 green over

> Copper 30 10-30 green over

> Zinc 160 130-200 green under

> Manganese 0.17 0.15-0.65 green under

> Chromium 0.33 0.20-0.40 green over

> Vanadium 0.030 0.020-0.075 green under

> Molybdenum 0.048 0.031-0.062 green over

> Boron 0.99 0.34-3.0 green under

> Iodine 2.7 0.25-1.3 yellow over

> Lithium 0.006 0.007-0.023 yellow under

> Phosphorus 134 160-250 yellow under

> Selenium 0.93 0.95-1.7 yellow under

> Strontium 1.6 0.30-3.2 green over

> Sulfur 48800 44000-52000 green over

> Barium 0.70 0.17-1.5 green over

> Cobalt 0.013 0.013-0.035 green under

> Iron 8.1 5.8-13 white at

> Germanium 0.041 0.045-0.065 yellow under

> Rubidium 0.035 0.009-0.090 green over

> Zirconium 0.20 0.047-0.70 white at

>

> Counting rules synopsis:

> · Number above 50%: 11

> · Number very elevated: none

> · Number in the middle: 18

> · Other patterns: Calcium not elevated, and does not fit the

> all low pattern either.

> He does not seem to fit the mercury toxic profile on any level.

Comments: Since you have already " counted " , I'm gonna trust you

on it, if you don't mind. Not only does this test not show

impaired mineral transport, not only is it " normal " , it is

VERY normal. That means, among other things, that the

toxic levels shown are likely to be " accurate " . Which

also means that the silver level really is --um-- well,

let's start with " very elevated " , and then we can move on

to " a concern " and that it really " stands out " .

I don't know what to suggest, or even how concerned to be.

You can see what Dana has on silver:

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

and you can also search for silver (in onibasu after you

figure out how to use it -- not hard.)

My guess is DMSA, but that is a WILD WILD guess, not based

on much.

> Other relevant info:

> Seems to have many of the traits of Asperger's, but very high

> functioning (will likely be valedictorian, great roles in school

> plays, good friends, etc), such that no one else would know the

> discomfort he's in. Visual disturbances, anxiety, hyper

sensitivities

> to sights, sounds, smells, very spacey as a child, but improved.

Some

> allergies (GFCF, to start with), but not nearly as excessive as

the

> other two. Slightly elevated Hemoglobin (16.3, ref 11.6-14.8) and

> Hematocrit (46.8, ref 34-46), as well as SGOT, aka " AST " (63, ref

0-

> 40) and low serum copper of 61 (ref 70-155). They requested a 24

hour

> copper urine to check into possibility of 's Disease

(genetic

> inability to chelate copper – low serum copper indicates

possibility

> of storing up copper in the liver, which is universally fatal if

not

> caught and treated early, ironically via chelation w/ zinc – even

in

> conventional medical circles – and subsequent lower doses of it

> throughout lifetime!) Test was negative. He was highly

pyrroleuric,

> and has a need for MUCH sleep relative to his age group. By

Thursday

> or Friday after school he invariably comes home after school and

> either goes to bed for the night, or takes a long nap, wakes for a

> couple of hours, and then sleeps through the night. Although he

> enjoys people, he absolutely needs a reprieve from them, or he

> becomes brutally " honest " (sometimes inappropriately so!). He

knows

> this, and compensates for it by making sure to get enough sleep

and

> by avoiding people when he hasn't. Chronic asthma, sinus

infections,

> steroids, etc.

>

>

>

> Son # 2 - 12 years old – ADHD

> DDI – hair analysis

>

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> =============================================

> aluminum 16 <8.0 yellow

> antimony 0.076 <0.066 yellow

> arsenic 0.021 <0.080 green

> beryllium <0.01 <0.020 below green

> bismuth 0.094 <0.060 yellow

> cadmium 0.36 <0.15 yellow

> lead 0.74 <1.5 green

> mercury 0.25 <0.40 green

> platinum <0.003 <0.005 below green

> thallium <0.001 <0.010 below green

> thorium <0.001 <0.005 below green

> uranium 0.029 <0.060 green

> nickel 0.47 <0.40 yellow

> silver 1.7 <0.13 RED (as in very!)

> tin 0.12 <0.30 green

> titanium 0.76 <1.0 green

>

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 1450 200-700 yellow over

> Magnesium 93 18-70 yellow over

> Sodium 18 12-90 green under

> Potassium 18 10-40 green over

> Copper 690 10-30 RED over

> Zinc 190 130-200 green over

> Manganese 0.31 0.15-0.65 white over

> Chromium 0.34 0.20-0.40 green over

> Vanadium 0.13 0.020-0.075 yellow over

> Molybdenum 0.044 0.031-0.062 green at

> Boron 3.4 0.34-3.0 yellow over

> Iodine 0.61 0.25-1.3 white over

> Lithium 0.005 0.007-0.023 yellow under

> Phosphorus 149 160-250 yellow under

> Selenium 0.78 0.95-1.7 yellow under

> Strontium 3.1 0.30-3.2 green over

> Sulfur 45700 44000-52000 green under

> Barium 2.1 0.17-1.5 yellow over

> Cobalt 0.026 0.013-0.035 green over

> Iron 16 5.8-13 yellow over

> Germanium 0.057 0.045-0.065 green over

> Rubidium 0.024 0.009-0.090 white under

> Zirconium 0.45 0.047-0.70 green over

>

> Counting rules synopsis:

> · Number above 50%: 16

> · Number very elevated: Just one

> · Number in the middle: 13

> · Other patterns: Vastly elevated calcium and very low

> lithium. Though he comes close on a couple of the other

qualifiers,

> this is the one that seals the deal

I don't read it as sealing the deal, myself, I read it as

just another " possible " . On step 1 and step 3 you are

SORT OF close. I would take it as " sorta kinda " rather

than as terribly clear. Which is, um, well, neither

here nor there.

The number of " yellows " for toxic metals also seems

" a little fishy " and mercury might be a culprit there?

We already discussed the copper, and personally I would want

to get to work on that right away. Copper reduction does not

take a really long time (unlike mercury!) which is another

reason I would want to get going on that. Also, since it

is CLEARLY high. Mercury clelation is certainly also an

option to look at, and **may** help with the silver

(which, of course, you will be reading anything you can

get your hands on about!)

>

> Other relevant info:

> Multiple allergies & sensitivities, very pyrroleuric. Contentious,

> negative and difficult. Given to histrionics, especially over

typical

> childhood mishaps (knocking a limb on a table, for example).

Anxiety,

> visual disturbances. Significant learning disabilities. Bloodwork

> showed high monocytes (14, ref 4-13), high BUN/Creatinine Ratio

(28,

> ref 8-27), low T4 (Direct) (0.90, ref 0.92-1.57), low plasma zinc

> (67, ref 70-150). This is the child that wears us out, and whose

> difficulties have driven us to seek answers. Interestingly, the

> autism world is the best place to find them.

>

>

>

> Son #3 – 9 yrs old – Aspie

> DDI – hair analysis

> POTENTIALLY TOXIC ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color

> =============================================

> aluminum 14 8.0 yellow

> antimony 0.065 0.066 green

> arsenic 0.032 <0.080 green

> beryllium <0.01 <0.020 below green

> bismuth 0.12 <0.12 green

> cadmium 0.25 <0.15 yellow

> lead 1.1 <1.0 yellow

> mercury 0.07 <0.40 green

> platinum <0.003 <0.005 below green

> thallium <0.001 <0.010 below green

> thorium <0.001 <0.005 below green

> uranium 0.010 <0.060 green

> nickel 0.63 <0.40 yellow

> silver 4.9 <0.13 RED (as in very!)

> tin 0.31 <0.30 yellow

> titanium 0.90 <1.0 green

>

> ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> element result ref range color under/over 50%

> ============================================================

> Calcium 899 160-500 yellow over

> Magnesium 85 12-50 yellow over

> Sodium 9 12-90 yellow under

> Potassium <3 10-40 red under

This is the only one of your kids tests that has

the " possible adrenal issues " marker. It is right above

this comment and reads " under under over over " for those

4 elements. ( " over over under under " also counts.)

You can look into either getting some testing done

by his doctor(s), or you might try some adrenal support

kinds of supplements.

> Copper 320 9-30 RED over

> Zinc 200 110-190 yellow over

> Manganese 0.31 0.18-0.60 white over

> Chromium 0.44 0.23-0.50 green over

> Vanadium 0.28 0.025-0.10 red over

> Molybdenum 0.094 0.040-0.089 yellow over

> Boron 1.7 0.5-3.5 green over

> Iodine 0.48 0.25-1.3 green under

> Lithium 0.015 0.007-0.023 green over

> Phosphorus 146 160-250 yellow under

> Selenium 2.0 0.95-1.7 yellow over

> Strontium 2.5 0.21-2.1 yellow over

> Sulfur 44000 45500-53000 yellow under

> Barium 1.8 0.19-1.6 yellow over

> Cobalt 0.056 0.013-0.035 yellow over

> Iron 30 .0-17 yellow over

> Germanium 0.056 0.045-0.065 white over

> Rubidium 0.011 0.008-0.080 green under

> Zirconium 0.87 0.060-0.70 yellow over

>

> Counting rules synopsis:

> · Number above 50%: 17

> · Number very elevated: three

> · Number in the middle: 7

> · Other patterns: Elevated calcium and magnesium, and low

> sodium and potassium

> So he just misses it on the first two counts, and hits it on

points

> three and four

He counts as abnormal mineral transport, as Andy

(later) added rules (in his book, anyhow) that say that

2 scores that are " off by 1 " counts. Anyway, this one

is closer that the prior test (above) -- as you noted.

My comments on high copper being relatively easy and

relatively fast to reduce still apply here, so I personally

would want to get going on it. Again, that doesn't rule

out mercury detox either.

Mostly I think I've already said what I can (in prior comments),

nothing else " new " here. " Ditto " on " silver is a concern " .

" Ditto " on the other yellows on toxic metals may be

mercury related (and MAY come down with some chelation).

Big ditto on copper, but we already talked about that in

other posts.

> Other relevant info:

> Multiple, multiple, multiple allergies (can you say, " ingredient-

free

> cooking " ?),

You should talk to Dana, she has some term like

" a food-free diet " ?? something like that.

Sounds like the same concept, or similar.

> repeated sinus infections, asthma w/ many rounds of

> steriods. Tested negative for celiac's disease (but needed to be

> tested in light of many allergies), slightly pyroluric. Elevated

> serum glucose (100, ref 65-99) and elevated BUN/Creatinine (32,

ref 8-

> 27). VERY spacey, very bright, very loving, very much fun!

>

> *Sigh* Anyone want to cook for seven three times a day, avoiding

> wheat, dairy, rice, corn, soy, eggs, corn, chicken, lamb, pork,

fish

> (primarily b/c of mercury rather than allergies, although there

were

> some fish allergies), almonds, peanuts, cashews, oranges, apples,

> broccoli, celery, tomatoes, garlic, potatoes, carrots, oats,

barley,

> rye, yeast, peppers, pepper, yada, yada..... My life has turned on

> end in the past six months!

Are you saying these allergies are all new?

Or maybe you just tested for them so now (last 6 months)

things have changed.......

> Sometimes I want to go back to the days

> of medicating, and just not knowing. But how can I? Is there

anything

> we won't do for our children? So exhausting, but so worth it!

>

> On behalf of oodles of Olsons,

> Sara

Other general comments:

There are a number of things you can try (if you have

ANY energy after cooking!) with regard to food allergies,

light sensitivity, other (possible) vision issues,

sensory issues, and so on.

Addressing metals often is a good place to start or

to address SOON, because it often has a lot of effect

relative to the amount of work involved.

Lots of people (Dana in particular) can comment on various

aspects of behaviors and supplements that might help.

Ditto for anxiety (I like GABA for anxiety, myself, along

with aerobic exercise.)

Then again, anything more may just be totally

overwhelming at this point.

Anyway, people can and do go into more detail on many

sub-points, at times.

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

I read on the home page of one of the manufacturers of Grapefruit

Seed Extract (GSE) that they sell a " bulk " powder for use in pools

that they say greatly reduces the need for chlorine (not eliminate

it).

Also, you could consider an attachment to the filter system that uses

Ultra Violet to kill bacteria. I think there may also be Ozone

systems available to do the job as well.

Neil

> > > Please note with all these boys the unusually high silver

levels.

> I

> > > have no clue what this means, but I know it puts them

universally

> off

> > > the charts in terms of silver toxicity.

> >

> >

> > Find sources of current exposures and consider eliminating them.

> >

> > http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

> >

> >

> > > Selenium 0.93 0.95-1.7 yellow under

> >

> >

> > Adding selenium was very beneficial for my son.

> >

> >

> > >>Visual disturbances, anxiety, hyper sensitivities

> > > to sights, sounds, smells, very spacey as a child, but improved.

> >

> >

> > Sensitivities, for my kids, meant yeast overgrowth

> >

> > http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> >

> >

> > > or Friday after school he invariably comes home after school

and

> > > either goes to bed for the night, or takes a long nap, wakes

for

> a

> > > couple of hours, and then sleeps through the night.

> >

> >

> > This sounds like the adult manifestation of phenol intolerance

> >

> > http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

> >

> >

> > >>Chronic asthma,

> >

> >

> > This is food intolerance for me.

> >

> >

> > > Iron 16 5.8-13 yellow over

> >

> >

> > My son was iron toxic, so you might want to consider a full body

> iron

> > panel.

> >

> >

> > > Other relevant info:

> > > Multiple allergies & sensitivities, very pyrroleuric.

> >

> >

> > I have vague memories that B6 is helpful for pyroleuria.

> >

> >

> > > visual disturbances.

> >

> >

> > On this page is what helped my son with visual issues

> >

> > http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

> >

> >

> > > Calcium 899 160-500 yellow over

> >

> >

> > My son was high iron AND high calcium. I used IP6 to remove the

> > excess. The high levels caused oppositional/defiant behavior for

> him.

> >

> >

> > > Other relevant info:

> > > Multiple, multiple, multiple allergies (can you

say, " ingredient-

> free

> > > cooking " ?),

> >

> >

> > My son was like this. HNI enzymes helped with many food issues,

> altho

> > not all

> >

> > http://www.houstonni.com/

> >

> > ALA chelation removed all my son's food problems.

> >

> >

> > >> repeated sinus infections,

> >

> >

> > This was yeast overgrowth for my son.

> >

> > http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> >

> >

> > >> asthma

> >

> >

> > This is food intolerance and metal toxicity for me personally.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah! Great suggestion!

Do you know where I can find product info on any of these things? (I

haven't tried google yet, so if that's a stupid question, feel free

not to answer! Kinda like your teacher in elementary school

answering " look it up " to the question about how to spell a word!)

> > > > Please note with all these boys the unusually high silver

> levels.

> > I

> > > > have no clue what this means, but I know it puts them

> universally

> > off

> > > > the charts in terms of silver toxicity.

> > >

> > >

> > > Find sources of current exposures and consider eliminating them.

> > >

> > > http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

> > >

> > >

> > > > Selenium 0.93 0.95-1.7 yellow under

> > >

> > >

> > > Adding selenium was very beneficial for my son.

> > >

> > >

> > > >>Visual disturbances, anxiety, hyper sensitivities

> > > > to sights, sounds, smells, very spacey as a child, but

improved.

> > >

> > >

> > > Sensitivities, for my kids, meant yeast overgrowth

> > >

> > > http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> > >

> > >

> > > > or Friday after school he invariably comes home after school

> and

> > > > either goes to bed for the night, or takes a long nap, wakes

> for

> > a

> > > > couple of hours, and then sleeps through the night.

> > >

> > >

> > > This sounds like the adult manifestation of phenol intolerance

> > >

> > > http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

> > >

> > >

> > > >>Chronic asthma,

> > >

> > >

> > > This is food intolerance for me.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Iron 16 5.8-13 yellow over

> > >

> > >

> > > My son was iron toxic, so you might want to consider a full

body

> > iron

> > > panel.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Other relevant info:

> > > > Multiple allergies & sensitivities, very pyrroleuric.

> > >

> > >

> > > I have vague memories that B6 is helpful for pyroleuria.

> > >

> > >

> > > > visual disturbances.

> > >

> > >

> > > On this page is what helped my son with visual issues

> > >

> > > http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

> > >

> > >

> > > > Calcium 899 160-500 yellow over

> > >

> > >

> > > My son was high iron AND high calcium. I used IP6 to remove the

> > > excess. The high levels caused oppositional/defiant behavior

for

> > him.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Other relevant info:

> > > > Multiple, multiple, multiple allergies (can you

> say, " ingredient-

> > free

> > > > cooking " ?),

> > >

> > >

> > > My son was like this. HNI enzymes helped with many food

issues,

> > altho

> > > not all

> > >

> > > http://www.houstonni.com/

> > >

> > > ALA chelation removed all my son's food problems.

> > >

> > >

> > > >> repeated sinus infections,

> > >

> > >

> > > This was yeast overgrowth for my son.

> > >

> > > http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> > >

> > >

> > > >> asthma

> > >

> > >

> > > This is food intolerance and metal toxicity for me personally.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Amazingly I actually found where I read this.

I also know that I was on the manufacturer's site, but I don't have

that handy.

I think with a little research you should be able to find what you are

looking for.

They also mention on this site how GSE can be used effectively in

sewage treatment plants and save on harsh chemicals in our environment.

http://www.nutriteam.com/gse/water.htm#jacuzzi

Regarding if you have copper pipes, that should be easy enought to

determine, most people have exposed pipes in their basement, especially

around the water heater, the copper pipes are rigid metal the color of

an ordinary penny.

Neil

[Guest guest]

Wonderful! Thanks, Neil!

>

> Amazingly I actually found where I read this.

>

> I also know that I was on the manufacturer's site, but I don't have

> that handy.

>

> I think with a little research you should be able to find what you

are

> looking for.

>

> They also mention on this site how GSE can be used effectively in

> sewage treatment plants and save on harsh chemicals in our

environment.

>

> http://www.nutriteam.com/gse/water.htm#jacuzzi

>

> Regarding if you have copper pipes, that should be easy enought to

> determine, most people have exposed pipes in their basement,

especially

> around the water heater, the copper pipes are rigid metal the color

of

> an ordinary penny.

>

> Neil

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks Dana.

>

> I went to your website to see how to chelate copper, and was still

> unclear. It looked like zinc and some other things,

Zinc and molybdenum. I used zinc.

> Pfeiffer supplements won't chelate anything. Can you help clarify?

They are not active chelators, based on my understanding. For certain

kids, they can get the child's own body to start removing metals,

altho if there are metals that are " stuck " , like in the brain, I am

not sure those metals can come out unless you use an active chelator

like ALA.

Do

> you recommend with the high levels of copper that we even chelate at

> all?

Yes, definitely something to consider.

> How do we know where the copper is from?

I have common sources of exposures here

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

>>We've had a pool, and I don't know what algecides we'd

> used. It's broken now, and we're planning to reinstall. Any

> suggestions for purification systems?

I have heard really good things about salt water pools, and my uncle

has one and it is great. So you can consider that.

Dana