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In a message dated 3/22/99 12:11:26 AM, you wrote:

<<

Kim Pucka, mother of a mmr/dpt injured child (and my child's injury was mild

to the many I have met)

PS Vaccine injuries are not rare, and when it happens to your family your

attitude will change. I would much rather lose 3-5 days caring for a sick

child that has the measles than to have to pay for medical/education/respite

for the rest of his life because he had a severe reaction to the MMR.

Thank you for listening. >>

Kim or anyone else who can help,

My sister-in-law just went to the doctor for her 8 month olds checkup. It was

his first, actually. He's been healthy and she has just not taken him in yet.

She does want vaccinations for him, but has listened to my plea on the MMR: if

she's going to get it, at least get it as seperate shots. When she told her

doctor that that was her plan, he of course got rather belligerent, told her

that was a bunch of nonsense and besides, there is no way to get the shots

seperately!

Has anyone had experience getting the MMR as seperate shots? I know it's not

impossible and her doctor was probably correct when he said they order it in

bulk but I know he was misleading her when he said that that is the only way

it's manufactured! I just don't want her to fold under the pressure - I'd

rather see her forgo the whole thing, but if she will at least persue the MMR

as seperate shots, I know I'll feel better... My daughter has autism, my

sister-in-law herself is gluten/casein intolerant and other family members

have autistic spectrum disorders (ADD, etc) and digestive problems. Our family

has red flags all over the place for the MMR problems!

Thanks!

Abby

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The doctor's office may not have them in any other form, but I would check

with her local health department. I bet they have them separately. Hope this

helps.

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My pharmacist told me that yes, the vaccines are available separately, but that

the pediatrician needs to put in the order for them. Unfortunately, it doesn't

sound like the ped your sister-in-law is with will be willing to do this. Start

with the pharmacists in your area. If she gets all of the information for him,

and

just hands it to him to sign then he might be more willing. It will also show

him

that she is determined. If it is a clinic that she takes the baby to there might

be another ped or general practitioner that will be more open to her request.

Hope this helps!

Tammy

Abbylt@... wrote:

> From: Abbylt@...

>

> In a message dated 3/22/99 12:11:26 AM, you wrote:

>

> <<

>

> Kim Pucka, mother of a mmr/dpt injured child (and my child's injury was mild

> to the many I have met)

>

> PS Vaccine injuries are not rare, and when it happens to your family your

> attitude will change. I would much rather lose 3-5 days caring for a sick

> child that has the measles than to have to pay for medical/education/respite

> for the rest of his life because he had a severe reaction to the MMR.

>

> Thank you for listening. >>

>

> Kim or anyone else who can help,

> My sister-in-law just went to the doctor for her 8 month olds checkup. It was

> his first, actually. He's been healthy and she has just not taken him in yet.

> She does want vaccinations for him, but has listened to my plea on the MMR: if

> she's going to get it, at least get it as seperate shots. When she told her

> doctor that that was her plan, he of course got rather belligerent, told her

> that was a bunch of nonsense and besides, there is no way to get the shots

> seperately!

> Has anyone had experience getting the MMR as seperate shots? I know it's not

> impossible and her doctor was probably correct when he said they order it in

> bulk but I know he was misleading her when he said that that is the only way

> it's manufactured! I just don't want her to fold under the pressure - I'd

> rather see her forgo the whole thing, but if she will at least persue the MMR

> as seperate shots, I know I'll feel better... My daughter has autism, my

> sister-in-law herself is gluten/casein intolerant and other family members

> have autistic spectrum disorders (ADD, etc) and digestive problems. Our family

> has red flags all over the place for the MMR problems!

> Thanks!

> Abby

>

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I don't understand why anyone would vaccinate against measles, mumps and

rubella. Makes no sense to me.

all three of these diseases are milder in childhood than adulthood. If you

vaccinate your child when young, the vaccine will wear off anywhere from 2 -10

years later and your older child will be vulnerable to these diseases when they

are more dangerous.

I just can't see the logic. If you are prepared to vaccinate against MMR for the

rest of the child's life, perhaps there is some logic....but why only when

young?

Sebastiana

>

>Kim or anyone else who can help,

>My sister-in-law just went to the doctor for her 8 month olds checkup. It was

>his first, actually. He's been healthy and she has just not taken him in yet.

>She does want vaccinations for him, but has listened to my plea on the MMR: if

>she's going to get it, at least get it as seperate shots. When she told her

>doctor that that was her plan, he of course got rather belligerent, told her

>that was a bunch of nonsense and besides, there is no way to get the shots

>seperately!

>Has anyone had experience getting the MMR as seperate shots? I know it's not

>impossible and her doctor was probably correct when he said they order it in

>bulk but I know he was misleading her when he said that that is the only way

>it's manufactured! I just don't want her to fold under the pressure - I'd

>rather see her forgo the whole thing, but if she will at least persue the MMR

>as seperate shots, I know I'll feel better... My daughter has autism, my

>sister-in-law herself is gluten/casein intolerant and other family members

>have autistic spectrum disorders (ADD, etc) and digestive problems. Our family

>has red flags all over the place for the MMR problems!

>Thanks!

>Abby

>

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hi sebastiana,

my name is jacki and i have three children. my third was severely injured by

his dtp vaccines. i read your e-mail to kim and i was wondering if your

daughters autism was a result of a vaccine. i just started the

vaccineinjuriesonelist list and hope to contact as many victims as

possible. sharing therapy results and doctor conficts, etc could save us all

alot of time and heartache. i know our experience has been an emotional

rollercoaster with many happy moments and others that are crippling. please

e-mail me and let me know your situation.

thanks, jacki

ps-nice to meet you!

Re: MMR

>From: Sebastiana <pienaar@...>

>

>I don't understand why anyone would vaccinate against measles, mumps and

rubella. Makes no sense to me.

>

>all three of these diseases are milder in childhood than adulthood. If you

vaccinate your child when young, the vaccine will wear off anywhere from

2 -10 years later and your older child will be vulnerable to these diseases

when they are more dangerous.

>

>I just can't see the logic. If you are prepared to vaccinate against MMR

for the rest of the child's life, perhaps there is some logic....but why

only when young?

>

>Sebastiana

>

>

>

>>

>>Kim or anyone else who can help,

>>My sister-in-law just went to the doctor for her 8 month olds checkup. It

was

>>his first, actually. He's been healthy and she has just not taken him in

yet.

>>She does want vaccinations for him, but has listened to my plea on the

MMR: if

>>she's going to get it, at least get it as seperate shots. When she told

her

>>doctor that that was her plan, he of course got rather belligerent, told

her

>>that was a bunch of nonsense and besides, there is no way to get the shots

>>seperately!

>>Has anyone had experience getting the MMR as seperate shots? I know it's

not

>>impossible and her doctor was probably correct when he said they order it

in

>>bulk but I know he was misleading her when he said that that is the only

way

>>it's manufactured! I just don't want her to fold under the pressure - I'd

>>rather see her forgo the whole thing, but if she will at least persue the

MMR

>>as seperate shots, I know I'll feel better... My daughter has autism, my

>>sister-in-law herself is gluten/casein intolerant and other family members

>>have autistic spectrum disorders (ADD, etc) and digestive problems. Our

family

>>has red flags all over the place for the MMR problems!

>>Thanks!

>>Abby

>>

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http://www.whale.to/Vaccines/asthma.html

I know one kid who developed severe asthma (hospital visits) after MMR

MMR

Does anyone know if the MMR shot could be the reason my asthma is so

terrible?

I stupidly went in and got a booster of MMR 10 years ago when I found out a

kid in my daycare class I taught was not vaccinated. There was an outbreak of

measles in the state at the time and they were warning us to get a booster if

your shot was x amount of years old. (I didn't know that you could get your

blood tested for immunity) The army (my hubby was in the army) was more than

willing to shoot me up with anything.

Ever since, my asthma has been triple worse. I see a conection. My husband

also developed asthma after all the injections he got.

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> For what it's worth, I was immunized and got the

> measles, and mumps too.

>

What are the statistics for this? Does anyone have this all laid out? I

know when there's a measles outbreak that the vaccinated have just as good a

chance as the unvax to get it but what are the statistics? My parents

decided to go on the offensive by trying to send me links saying " Please

give the contents of this site some serious thought. Very little, if

anything, in life is foolproof, but I think you are taking dangerous risks

to prevent more minimal risks. "

They don't know what they just got themselves into! .

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For what it's worth, I was never vaccinated with MMR and had measles, mumps and

rubella with no worries at all. My mother didn't blink twice ;-)

Seb.

At 06:58 PM 01/11/2000 -0800, you wrote:

>From: Sue <malibusue_98@...>

>

>For what it's worth, I was immunized and got the

>measles, and mumps too.

>

>Sue

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In a message dated 3/19/2000 5:00:27 PM Central Standard Time,

ruth@... writes:

<< Could someone give me some information please on whether a child/baby, can

catch mumps, rubella or measles from a child recently vaccinated with the

MMR vaccination? >>

I can tell you that they can contract at least the measles. My kids did.

I'm not sure about mumps & rubella. I believe this is where my kids got

mumps as well. But any live vaccine will make the recipient contagious for

up to 6 weeks post shot. If you have an infant or older person around kids,

you need to let the person in charge know that you want to be notified if a

recently vacinated child will be around them. That way you cn decide if you

want the exposed (and for these two groups, that is the very young and very

old, I would say you DON'T want them exposed.)

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Could someone give me some information please on whether a child/baby, can

catch mumps, rubella or measles from a child recently vaccinated with the

MMR vaccination?

Any info is greatly appreciated,

Thanks,

Ruth Acaster

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What about the MMR and diabetes? Your sentence about how the MMR works

furthers my theory that the MMR destroyed my daughters pancreas and her

ability to produce insulin. The MMR works " by stimulating the immune system

to produce antibodies against the viruses

>without causing harm. " Well, my daughters immune system attacked her and

>now she has diabetes.

Any info on my theory??!

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> > Hi All,

> > My sister has a child who appears to be mildly autistic. He is 4 years

>old

> > and goes to a special preschool. He also goes to a psychologist. She

> > vaccinates her children, but she is concerned about the thimerosal in

> > vaccines, and the MMR-Autism connection. Her son is " due " for his

>booster

> > shots before he starts school in the fall. She was wondering if there

>is

>a

> > connection between Autism and the MMR only or if there is also a

>connection

> > between Autism and just the Measles vaccine by itself. She is thinking

>about

> > splitting the vaccine up into three different shots. It is pointless to

>try

> > to talk her out of it as she has already made up her mind to vaccinate.

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

>

>Dr Rimland

>http://www.house.gov/reform/hearings/healthcare/00.06.04/rimland.htm

>Lynn Redwood http://tlredwood.home.mindspring.com/

>

>If autism is from the mercury you may get more mercury in 3 shots.

>

>

>

>This is what a GP found out:

>

>

>As a GP I gave kids the MMR jab. Now I wouldn't give it to my own.

>

>The triple vaccine routinely given to children to prevent measles, mumps

>and

>rubella has been controversially linked to autism-like symptoms. We asked

>Dr

> Halvorsen to investigate. (Sunday Express Magazine 21 May 2000)

>

>Childhood immunisations, I had always assumed, were safe. The Department

>of

>Health (DOH) has repeatedly reassured us that their benefits are far

>greater

>than the risks and, as a GP, I have been responsible for the immunisation

>of

>many hundreds of children. So, when I was asked by the Sunday Express

>Magazine to write about the MMR vaccine, I expected to be able to reassure

>readers that the vaccine was of clear benefit and that side-effects were

>either not serious or extremely rare. My research unearthed a different

>story that makes for disturbing reading.

>

>The MMR immunisation was introduced in the UK in 1988 with the first dose

>aimed at children of 12-15 months, a second at 3-5 years. It is designed to

>protect against measles, mumps and rubella (German Measles) and works by

>stimulating the immune system to produce antibodies against the viruses

>without causing harm. It was well received by both parents and doctors so

>that over 90 per cent of children were being immunised by 1992.

>

>Most children received the vaccine with no obvious serious side-effects but

>it grew increasingly apparent that some became seriously ill within a few

>weeks. These children began behaving strangely, stopped talking and became

>socially withdrawn, staring into space for hours on end. Many developed a

>raging thirst, bizarre eating habits, multiple food allergies,

>hyperactivity

>and sleep problems. This was usually accompanied by abdominal pain,

>bloating

>and bowel disturbances, and some became incontinent of urine or faeces.

>They

>did not simply fail to develop but lost what they already had. Now, we all

>know coincidences happen, but here are thousands of children who had all

>developed normally until receiving the vaccine, after which they became

>very

>unwell in a remarkably similar pattern. The behaviour these children showed

>was similar to autism, but differed in that they were previously developing

>normally and then lost the skills that they had developed, such as speech

>and play, a condition called " autistic regression " .

>

>Most of the parents felt sure that the cause of these devastating changes

>in

>their children was the MMR vaccine, but if they mentioned this concern to

>their doctors it always met with dismissive reassurance that it must have

>been a coincidence because the MMR was safe. One doctor, instead of

>dismissing the possibility of a relationship with the MMR vaccine, listened

>to the worried parents and studied some of the affected children. Dr

>Wakefield, from the Royal Free Hospital in north London, published a paper

>in February 1998 in the medical journal The Lancet suggesting that the MMR

>vaccine could be the cause of the children's autism and bowel disturbances,

>which he calls " autistic enterocolitis " . Dr Wakefield was vociferously

>attacked for causing unnecessary worry in parents and the MMR vaccine was

>vigorously defended as being " highly safe and effective " .

>

>The Chief Medical Officer, Sir Calman, felt confident enough to

>say,

> " I have concluded there is no link between MMR immunisation and autism. "

>

>Questioned in Parliament in 1997 on the possible link between MMR and

>autism, then health minister Tessa Jowell reassured MPs that: " No vaccine

>is

>issued in the United Kingdom unless it passes the highest standards for

>quality, and parents should have confidence that the vaccines that are

>provided are both safe and efficacious. "

>

>But I was concerned to find that the safety trials on the MMR followed

>children up for only three weeks. This could not possibly detect

>side-effects that appeared after three weeks. This is alarming for a

>vaccine

>aimed at millions of healthy children.

>

>In 1999, two studies appeared that the Department of Health claims

> " reinforce the conclusion that there is no link " between MMR and autism.

>The

>first, by the Committee on the Safety of Medicines, involved examining

>questionnaires sent to the parents who had suspected MMR as a cause for

>their child's autism - 1200 questionnaires were distributed and 126

>examined

>in detail. The study concluded: " It is impossible to prove or refute the

>suggested associations between MMR vaccine and autism " - hardly convincing

>reassurance.

>

>It is hard to obtain precise figures for the number of children affected

>with autism because the government does not keep records. But the second

>study cited by the DOH looked at one area - north London -and found an

>alarming increase in autism there. The incidence was running steadily at

>between four and eight of the children born there each year between 1978

>and

>1985. Then came a dramatic increase to just under 50 of the children born

>in

>1992, the last year studied by Professor Brent and colleagues at

>University College London. Curiously, however, they concluded: " Our

>analyses

>do not support a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism. "

>

>To others, including myself, the research figures actually support the link

>between MMR and autism. What has not been adequately explained is the

>recent

>massive increase in autism. However, the start of this increase can be

>traced back to children who were born in the mid 1980s in Britain and the

>1970s in the United Sates. These were the first children to receive the MMR

>vaccine. In California the incidence of autism was running at 150-200 a

>year

>until 1980, then it took off to reach nearly 600 in 1990.

>

>In the UK some local authorities have measured the rate of autism and have

>again found very high numbers. However, the Government still has no plans

>to

>monitor the number of children with autism. The lack of willingness of the

>Government and the medical profession to accept that a problem could exist

>smacks of complacency at best, and negligence at worst. Not all governments

>hold the same view. In Japan, MMR was withdrawn in 1993 because of an

>unacceptably high level of side-effects.

>

>The evidence against MMR is now mounting. Dr Wakefield has studied more

>children with " autistic enterocolitis " . His research suggests that the MMR

>vaccine can cause an abnormal immune reaction which, in susceptible

>children, causes the child's immune system to damage the child's gut,

>allowing it to absorb chemicals that may attack the brain. This is an

>auto-immune reaction and it may be no coincidence that some research has

>linked other auto-immune diseases, such as diabetes, with immunisation.

>

>It is looking more and more likely that recent increases in the numbers of

>children with autistic regression and other developmental disorders may be

>triggered, or caused, by the MMR vaccine. The illnesses the vaccine is

>designed to prevent can themselves cause damage, but the use of MMR in this

>country may be doing more harm than good. Parents from the UK, mainland

>Europe, Australia, the US~ Canada or Asia are all telling the same story.

>

>The parents of over 2,000 children are planning to take their cases to

>court. It has been suggested that parents are using the MMR vaccine as a

> " scapegoat " in a desperate attempt to explain their child's autism. This

>strikes me as an insensitive and flawed suggestion: the last thing parents

>want to believe is that their child's devastating problems were caused by

>something they inflicted on the child themselves. The Government gives the

>impression of not wanting to know and appears to be more concerned with

>preserving public confidence than in investigating these children. On 10

>April this year Professor Liam son, Chief Medical Officer, sent a

>letter to every GP in the country in which he repeats that " there is no new

>evidence that indicates a causal link between MMR vaccine and autism " .

>

>The Hippocratic principle is that doctors should " first do no harm " . At the

>very least parents must be told of the concerns surrounding the MMR

>vaccine.

>Doctors should obtain " informed consent " when offering any medical

>intervention, especially when the " patient " is not ill to start with. That

>means discussing the risks as well as the benefits. If the MMR vaccine were

>a drug, it would be suspended until proper trials had been done to examine

>its safety. Based on what I now know, I would not give my children the

>combined MMR vaccine. I would consider either using the vaccines singly

>(not

>available in this country but possible in mainland Europe) or not

>vaccinating at all. It may be safer for healthy children to catch these

>illnesses rather than run the risk of immunisation. It's important that

>girls have either had rubella or are immunised before pregnancy .

>

>

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> Hi All,

> My sister has a child who appears to be mildly autistic. He is 4 years

old

> and goes to a special preschool. He also goes to a psychologist. She

> vaccinates her children, but she is concerned about the thimerosal in

> vaccines, and the MMR-Autism connection. Her son is " due " for his booster

> shots before he starts school in the fall. She was wondering if there is

a

> connection between Autism and the MMR only or if there is also a

connection

> between Autism and just the Measles vaccine by itself. She is thinking

about

> splitting the vaccine up into three different shots. It is pointless to

try

> to talk her out of it as she has already made up her mind to vaccinate.

> Thanks.

>

>

Dr Rimland

http://www.house.gov/reform/hearings/healthcare/00.06.04/rimland.htm

Lynn Redwood http://tlredwood.home.mindspring.com/

If autism is from the mercury you may get more mercury in 3 shots.

This is what a GP found out:

As a GP I gave kids the MMR jab. Now I wouldn't give it to my own.

The triple vaccine routinely given to children to prevent measles, mumps and

rubella has been controversially linked to autism-like symptoms. We asked Dr

Halvorsen to investigate. (Sunday Express Magazine 21 May 2000)

Childhood immunisations, I had always assumed, were safe. The Department of

Health (DOH) has repeatedly reassured us that their benefits are far greater

than the risks and, as a GP, I have been responsible for the immunisation of

many hundreds of children. So, when I was asked by the Sunday Express

Magazine to write about the MMR vaccine, I expected to be able to reassure

readers that the vaccine was of clear benefit and that side-effects were

either not serious or extremely rare. My research unearthed a different

story that makes for disturbing reading.

The MMR immunisation was introduced in the UK in 1988 with the first dose

aimed at children of 12-15 months, a second at 3-5 years. It is designed to

protect against measles, mumps and rubella (German Measles) and works by

stimulating the immune system to produce antibodies against the viruses

without causing harm. It was well received by both parents and doctors so

that over 90 per cent of children were being immunised by 1992.

Most children received the vaccine with no obvious serious side-effects but

it grew increasingly apparent that some became seriously ill within a few

weeks. These children began behaving strangely, stopped talking and became

socially withdrawn, staring into space for hours on end. Many developed a

raging thirst, bizarre eating habits, multiple food allergies, hyperactivity

and sleep problems. This was usually accompanied by abdominal pain, bloating

and bowel disturbances, and some became incontinent of urine or faeces. They

did not simply fail to develop but lost what they already had. Now, we all

know coincidences happen, but here are thousands of children who had all

developed normally until receiving the vaccine, after which they became very

unwell in a remarkably similar pattern. The behaviour these children showed

was similar to autism, but differed in that they were previously developing

normally and then lost the skills that they had developed, such as speech

and play, a condition called " autistic regression " .

Most of the parents felt sure that the cause of these devastating changes in

their children was the MMR vaccine, but if they mentioned this concern to

their doctors it always met with dismissive reassurance that it must have

been a coincidence because the MMR was safe. One doctor, instead of

dismissing the possibility of a relationship with the MMR vaccine, listened

to the worried parents and studied some of the affected children. Dr

Wakefield, from the Royal Free Hospital in north London, published a paper

in February 1998 in the medical journal The Lancet suggesting that the MMR

vaccine could be the cause of the children's autism and bowel disturbances,

which he calls " autistic enterocolitis " . Dr Wakefield was vociferously

attacked for causing unnecessary worry in parents and the MMR vaccine was

vigorously defended as being " highly safe and effective " .

The Chief Medical Officer, Sir Calman, felt confident enough to say,

" I have concluded there is no link between MMR immunisation and autism. "

Questioned in Parliament in 1997 on the possible link between MMR and

autism, then health minister Tessa Jowell reassured MPs that: " No vaccine is

issued in the United Kingdom unless it passes the highest standards for

quality, and parents should have confidence that the vaccines that are

provided are both safe and efficacious. "

But I was concerned to find that the safety trials on the MMR followed

children up for only three weeks. This could not possibly detect

side-effects that appeared after three weeks. This is alarming for a vaccine

aimed at millions of healthy children.

In 1999, two studies appeared that the Department of Health claims

" reinforce the conclusion that there is no link " between MMR and autism. The

first, by the Committee on the Safety of Medicines, involved examining

questionnaires sent to the parents who had suspected MMR as a cause for

their child's autism - 1200 questionnaires were distributed and 126 examined

in detail. The study concluded: " It is impossible to prove or refute the

suggested associations between MMR vaccine and autism " - hardly convincing

reassurance.

It is hard to obtain precise figures for the number of children affected

with autism because the government does not keep records. But the second

study cited by the DOH looked at one area - north London -and found an

alarming increase in autism there. The incidence was running steadily at

between four and eight of the children born there each year between 1978 and

1985. Then came a dramatic increase to just under 50 of the children born in

1992, the last year studied by Professor Brent and colleagues at

University College London. Curiously, however, they concluded: " Our analyses

do not support a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism. "

To others, including myself, the research figures actually support the link

between MMR and autism. What has not been adequately explained is the recent

massive increase in autism. However, the start of this increase can be

traced back to children who were born in the mid 1980s in Britain and the

1970s in the United Sates. These were the first children to receive the MMR

vaccine. In California the incidence of autism was running at 150-200 a year

until 1980, then it took off to reach nearly 600 in 1990.

In the UK some local authorities have measured the rate of autism and have

again found very high numbers. However, the Government still has no plans to

monitor the number of children with autism. The lack of willingness of the

Government and the medical profession to accept that a problem could exist

smacks of complacency at best, and negligence at worst. Not all governments

hold the same view. In Japan, MMR was withdrawn in 1993 because of an

unacceptably high level of side-effects.

The evidence against MMR is now mounting. Dr Wakefield has studied more

children with " autistic enterocolitis " . His research suggests that the MMR

vaccine can cause an abnormal immune reaction which, in susceptible

children, causes the child's immune system to damage the child's gut,

allowing it to absorb chemicals that may attack the brain. This is an

auto-immune reaction and it may be no coincidence that some research has

linked other auto-immune diseases, such as diabetes, with immunisation.

It is looking more and more likely that recent increases in the numbers of

children with autistic regression and other developmental disorders may be

triggered, or caused, by the MMR vaccine. The illnesses the vaccine is

designed to prevent can themselves cause damage, but the use of MMR in this

country may be doing more harm than good. Parents from the UK, mainland

Europe, Australia, the US~ Canada or Asia are all telling the same story.

The parents of over 2,000 children are planning to take their cases to

court. It has been suggested that parents are using the MMR vaccine as a

" scapegoat " in a desperate attempt to explain their child's autism. This

strikes me as an insensitive and flawed suggestion: the last thing parents

want to believe is that their child's devastating problems were caused by

something they inflicted on the child themselves. The Government gives the

impression of not wanting to know and appears to be more concerned with

preserving public confidence than in investigating these children. On 10

April this year Professor Liam son, Chief Medical Officer, sent a

letter to every GP in the country in which he repeats that " there is no new

evidence that indicates a causal link between MMR vaccine and autism " .

The Hippocratic principle is that doctors should " first do no harm " . At the

very least parents must be told of the concerns surrounding the MMR vaccine.

Doctors should obtain " informed consent " when offering any medical

intervention, especially when the " patient " is not ill to start with. That

means discussing the risks as well as the benefits. If the MMR vaccine were

a drug, it would be suspended until proper trials had been done to examine

its safety. Based on what I now know, I would not give my children the

combined MMR vaccine. I would consider either using the vaccines singly (not

available in this country but possible in mainland Europe) or not

vaccinating at all. It may be safer for healthy children to catch these

illnesses rather than run the risk of immunisation. It's important that

girls have either had rubella or are immunised before pregnancy .

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As a GP I gave kids the MMR jab. Now I wouldn't give it to my own.

The triple vaccine routinely given to children to prevent measles, mumps and

rubella has been controversially linked to autism-like symptoms. We asked Dr

Halvorsen to investigate. (Sunday Express Magazine 21 May 2000)

Childhood immunisations, I had always assumed, were safe. The Department of

Health (DOH) has repeatedly reassured us that their benefits are far greater

than the risks and, as a GP, I have been responsible for the immunisation of

many hundreds of children. So, when I was asked by the Sunday Express

Magazine to write about the MMR vaccine, I expected to be able to reassure

readers that the vaccine was of clear benefit and that side-effects were

either not serious or extremely rare. My research unearthed a different

story that makes for disturbing reading.

The MMR immunisation was introduced in the UK in 1988 with the first dose

aimed at children of 12-15 months, a second at 3-5 years. It is designed to

protect against measles, mumps and rubella (German Measles) and works by

stimulating the immune system to produce antibodies against the viruses

without causing harm. It was well received by both parents and doctors so

that over 90 per cent of children were being immunised by 1992.

Most children received the vaccine with no obvious serious side-effects but

it grew increasingly apparent that some became seriously ill within a few

weeks. These children began behaving strangely, stopped talking and became

socially withdrawn, staring into space for hours on end. Many developed a

raging thirst, bizarre eating habits, multiple food allergies, hyperactivity

and sleep problems. This was usually accompanied by abdominal pain, bloating

and bowel disturbances, and some became incontinent of urine or faeces. They

did not simply fail to develop but lost what they already had. Now, we all

know coincidences happen, but here are thousands of children who had all

developed normally until receiving the vaccine, after which they became very

unwell in a remarkably similar pattern. The behaviour these children showed

was similar to autism, but differed in that they were previously developing

normally and then lost the skills that they had developed, such as speech

and play, a condition called " autistic regression " .

Most of the parents felt sure that the cause of these devastating changes in

their children was the MMR vaccine, but if they mentioned this concern to

their doctors it always met with dismissive reassurance that it must have

been a coincidence because the MMR was safe. One doctor, instead of

dismissing the possibility of a relationship with the MMR vaccine, listened

to the worried parents and studied some of the affected children. Dr

Wakefield, from the Royal Free Hospital in north London, published a paper

in February 1998 in the medical journal The Lancet suggesting that the MMR

vaccine could be the cause of the children's autism and bowel disturbances,

which he calls " autistic enterocolitis " . Dr Wakefield was vociferously

attacked for causing unnecessary worry in parents and the MMR vaccine was

vigorously defended as being " highly safe and effective " .

The Chief Medical Officer, Sir Calman, felt confident enough to say,

" I have concluded there is no link between MMR immunisation and autism. "

Questioned in Parliament in 1997 on the possible link between MMR and

autism, then health minister Tessa Jowell reassured MPs that: " No vaccine is

issued in the United Kingdom unless it passes the highest standards for

quality, and parents should have confidence that the vaccines that are

provided are both safe and efficacious. "

But I was concerned to find that the safety trials on the MMR followed

children up for only three weeks. This could not possibly detect

side-effects that appeared after three weeks. This is alarming for a vaccine

aimed at millions of healthy children.

In 1999, two studies appeared that the Department of Health claims

" reinforce the conclusion that there is no link " between MMR and autism. The

first, by the Committee on the Safety of Medicines, involved examining

questionnaires sent to the parents who had suspected MMR as a cause for

their child's autism - 1200 questionnaires were distributed and 126 examined

in detail. The study concluded: " It is impossible to prove or refute the

suggested associations between MMR vaccine and autism " - hardly convincing

reassurance.

It is hard to obtain precise figures for the number of children affected

with autism because the government does not keep records. But the second

study cited by the DOH looked at one area - north London -and found an

alarming increase in autism there. The incidence was running steadily at

between four and eight of the children born there each year between 1978 and

1985. Then came a dramatic increase to just under 50 of the children born in

1992, the last year studied by Professor Brent and colleagues at

University College London. Curiously, however, they concluded: " Our analyses

do not support a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism. "

To others, including myself, the research figures actually support the link

between MMR and autism. What has not been adequately explained is the recent

massive increase in autism. However, the start of this increase can be

traced back to children who were born in the mid 1980s in Britain and the

1970s in the United Sates. These were the first children to receive the MMR

vaccine. In California the incidence of autism was running at 150-200 a year

until 1980, then it took off to reach nearly 600 in 1990.

In the UK some local authorities have measured the rate of autism and have

again found very high numbers. However, the Government still has no plans to

monitor the number of children with autism. The lack of willingness of the

Government and the medical profession to accept that a problem could exist

smacks of complacency at best, and negligence at worst. Not all governments

hold the same view. In Japan, MMR was withdrawn in 1993 because of an

unacceptably high level of side-effects.

The evidence against MMR is now mounting. Dr Wakefield has studied more

children with " autistic enterocolitis " . His research suggests that the MMR

vaccine can cause an abnormal immune reaction which, in susceptible

children, causes the child's immune system to damage the child's gut,

allowing it to absorb chemicals that may attack the brain. This is an

auto-immune reaction and it may be no coincidence that some research has

linked other auto-immune diseases, such as diabetes, with immunisation.

It is looking more and more likely that recent increases in the numbers of

children with autistic regression and other developmental disorders may be

triggered, or caused, by the MMR vaccine. The illnesses the vaccine is

designed to prevent can themselves cause damage, but the use of MMR in this

country may be doing more harm than good. Parents from the UK, mainland

Europe, Australia, the US~ Canada or Asia are all telling the same story.

The parents of over 2,000 children are planning to take their cases to

court. It has been suggested that parents are using the MMR vaccine as a

" scapegoat " in a desperate attempt to explain their child's autism. This

strikes me as an insensitive and flawed suggestion: the last thing parents

want to believe is that their child's devastating problems were caused by

something they inflicted on the child themselves. The Government gives the

impression of not wanting to know and appears to be more concerned with

preserving public confidence than in investigating these children. On 10

April this year Professor Liam son, Chief Medical Officer, sent a

letter to every GP in the country in which he repeats that " there is no new

evidence that indicates a causal link between MMR vaccine and autism " .

The Hippocratic principle is that doctors should " first do no harm " . At the

very least parents must be told of the concerns surrounding the MMR vaccine.

Doctors should obtain " informed consent " when offering any medical

intervention, especially when the " patient " is not ill to start with. That

means discussing the risks as well as the benefits. If the MMR vaccine were

a drug, it would be suspended until proper trials had been done to examine

its safety. Based on what I now know, I would not give my children the

combined MMR vaccine. I would consider either using the vaccines singly (not

available in this country but possible in mainland Europe) or not

vaccinating at all. It may be safer for healthy children to catch these

illnesses rather than run the risk of immunisation. It's important that

girls have either had rubella or are immunised before pregnancy .

>>Thank you for the information. I'll forward it to my sister. Who wrote

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> > Hi All,

> > My sister has a child who appears to be mildly autistic. He is 4 years

>old

> > and goes to a special preschool. He also goes to a psychologist. She

> > vaccinates her children, but she is concerned about the thimerosal in

> > vaccines, and the MMR-Autism connection. Her son is " due " for his

>booster

> > shots before he starts school in the fall. She was wondering if there

>is

>a

> > connection between Autism and the MMR only or if there is also a

>connection

> > between Autism and just the Measles vaccine by itself. She is thinking

>about

> > splitting the vaccine up into three different shots. It is pointless to

>try

> > to talk her out of it as she has already made up her mind to vaccinate.

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

>

>Dr Rimland

>http://www.house.gov/reform/hearings/healthcare/00.06.04/rimland.htm

>Lynn Redwood http://tlredwood.home.mindspring.com/

>

>If autism is from the mercury you may get more mercury in 3 shots.

>

>

>

>This is what a GP found out:

>

>

>As a GP I gave kids the MMR jab. Now I wouldn't give it to my own.

>

>The triple vaccine routinely given to children to prevent measles, mumps

>and

>rubella has been controversially linked to autism-like symptoms. We asked

>Dr

> Halvorsen to investigate. (Sunday Express Magazine 21 May 2000)

>

>Childhood immunisations, I had always assumed, were safe. The Department

>of

>Health (DOH) has repeatedly reassured us that their benefits are far

>greater

>than the risks and, as a GP, I have been responsible for the immunisation

>of

>many hundreds of children. So, when I was asked by the Sunday Express

>Magazine to write about the MMR vaccine, I expected to be able to reassure

>readers that the vaccine was of clear benefit and that side-effects were

>either not serious or extremely rare. My research unearthed a different

>story that makes for disturbing reading.

>

>The MMR immunisation was introduced in the UK in 1988 with the first dose

>aimed at children of 12-15 months, a second at 3-5 years. It is designed to

>protect against measles, mumps and rubella (German Measles) and works by

>stimulating the immune system to produce antibodies against the viruses

>without causing harm. It was well received by both parents and doctors so

>that over 90 per cent of children were being immunised by 1992.

>

>Most children received the vaccine with no obvious serious side-effects but

>it grew increasingly apparent that some became seriously ill within a few

>weeks. These children began behaving strangely, stopped talking and became

>socially withdrawn, staring into space for hours on end. Many developed a

>raging thirst, bizarre eating habits, multiple food allergies,

>hyperactivity

>and sleep problems. This was usually accompanied by abdominal pain,

>bloating

>and bowel disturbances, and some became incontinent of urine or faeces.

>They

>did not simply fail to develop but lost what they already had. Now, we all

>know coincidences happen, but here are thousands of children who had all

>developed normally until receiving the vaccine, after which they became

>very

>unwell in a remarkably similar pattern. The behaviour these children showed

>was similar to autism, but differed in that they were previously developing

>normally and then lost the skills that they had developed, such as speech

>and play, a condition called " autistic regression " .

>

>Most of the parents felt sure that the cause of these devastating changes

>in

>their children was the MMR vaccine, but if they mentioned this concern to

>their doctors it always met with dismissive reassurance that it must have

>been a coincidence because the MMR was safe. One doctor, instead of

>dismissing the possibility of a relationship with the MMR vaccine, listened

>to the worried parents and studied some of the affected children. Dr

>Wakefield, from the Royal Free Hospital in north London, published a paper

>in February 1998 in the medical journal The Lancet suggesting that the MMR

>vaccine could be the cause of the children's autism and bowel disturbances,

>which he calls " autistic enterocolitis " . Dr Wakefield was vociferously

>attacked for causing unnecessary worry in parents and the MMR vaccine was

>vigorously defended as being " highly safe and effective " .

>

>The Chief Medical Officer, Sir Calman, felt confident enough to

>say,

> " I have concluded there is no link between MMR immunisation and autism. "

>

>Questioned in Parliament in 1997 on the possible link between MMR and

>autism, then health minister Tessa Jowell reassured MPs that: " No vaccine

>is

>issued in the United Kingdom unless it passes the highest standards for

>quality, and parents should have confidence that the vaccines that are

>provided are both safe and efficacious. "

>

>But I was concerned to find that the safety trials on the MMR followed

>children up for only three weeks. This could not possibly detect

>side-effects that appeared after three weeks. This is alarming for a

>vaccine

>aimed at millions of healthy children.

>

>In 1999, two studies appeared that the Department of Health claims

> " reinforce the conclusion that there is no link " between MMR and autism.

>The

>first, by the Committee on the Safety of Medicines, involved examining

>questionnaires sent to the parents who had suspected MMR as a cause for

>their child's autism - 1200 questionnaires were distributed and 126

>examined

>in detail. The study concluded: " It is impossible to prove or refute the

>suggested associations between MMR vaccine and autism " - hardly convincing

>reassurance.

>

>It is hard to obtain precise figures for the number of children affected

>with autism because the government does not keep records. But the second

>study cited by the DOH looked at one area - north London -and found an

>alarming increase in autism there. The incidence was running steadily at

>between four and eight of the children born there each year between 1978

>and

>1985. Then came a dramatic increase to just under 50 of the children born

>in

>1992, the last year studied by Professor Brent and colleagues at

>University College London. Curiously, however, they concluded: " Our

>analyses

>do not support a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism. "

>

>To others, including myself, the research figures actually support the link

>between MMR and autism. What has not been adequately explained is the

>recent

>massive increase in autism. However, the start of this increase can be

>traced back to children who were born in the mid 1980s in Britain and the

>1970s in the United Sates. These were the first children to receive the MMR

>vaccine. In California the incidence of autism was running at 150-200 a

>year

>until 1980, then it took off to reach nearly 600 in 1990.

>

>In the UK some local authorities have measured the rate of autism and have

>again found very high numbers. However, the Government still has no plans

>to

>monitor the number of children with autism. The lack of willingness of the

>Government and the medical profession to accept that a problem could exist

>smacks of complacency at best, and negligence at worst. Not all governments

>hold the same view. In Japan, MMR was withdrawn in 1993 because of an

>unacceptably high level of side-effects.

>

>The evidence against MMR is now mounting. Dr Wakefield has studied more

>children with " autistic enterocolitis " . His research suggests that the MMR

>vaccine can cause an abnormal immune reaction which, in susceptible

>children, causes the child's immune system to damage the child's gut,

>allowing it to absorb chemicals that may attack the brain. This is an

>auto-immune reaction and it may be no coincidence that some research has

>linked other auto-immune diseases, such as diabetes, with immunisation.

>

>It is looking more and more likely that recent increases in the numbers of

>children with autistic regression and other developmental disorders may be

>triggered, or caused, by the MMR vaccine. The illnesses the vaccine is

>designed to prevent can themselves cause damage, but the use of MMR in this

>country may be doing more harm than good. Parents from the UK, mainland

>Europe, Australia, the US~ Canada or Asia are all telling the same story.

>

>The parents of over 2,000 children are planning to take their cases to

>court. It has been suggested that parents are using the MMR vaccine as a

> " scapegoat " in a desperate attempt to explain their child's autism. This

>strikes me as an insensitive and flawed suggestion: the last thing parents

>want to believe is that their child's devastating problems were caused by

>something they inflicted on the child themselves. The Government gives the

>impression of not wanting to know and appears to be more concerned with

>preserving public confidence than in investigating these children. On 10

>April this year Professor Liam son, Chief Medical Officer, sent a

>letter to every GP in the country in which he repeats that " there is no new

>evidence that indicates a causal link between MMR vaccine and autism " .

>

>The Hippocratic principle is that doctors should " first do no harm " . At the

>very least parents must be told of the concerns surrounding the MMR

>vaccine.

>Doctors should obtain " informed consent " when offering any medical

>intervention, especially when the " patient " is not ill to start with. That

>means discussing the risks as well as the benefits. If the MMR vaccine were

>a drug, it would be suspended until proper trials had been done to examine

>its safety. Based on what I now know, I would not give my children the

>combined MMR vaccine. I would consider either using the vaccines singly

>(not

>available in this country but possible in mainland Europe) or not

>vaccinating at all. It may be safer for healthy children to catch these

>illnesses rather than run the risk of immunisation. It's important that

>girls have either had rubella or are immunised before pregnancy .

>

>

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> What about the MMR and diabetes? Your sentence about how the MMR works

> furthers my theory that the MMR destroyed my daughters pancreas and her

> ability to produce insulin. The MMR works " by stimulating the immune

system

> to produce antibodies against the viruses

> >without causing harm. " Well, my daughters immune system attacked her and

> >now she has diabetes.

>

> Any info on my theory??!

Some info on diabetes & vaccines

http://www.whaleto.freeserve.co.uk/Vaccines/diabetes.html

Haven't noticed diabetes as one of the litigation cases with MMR, but then

they don't have asthma listed and I know it can cause that as a friends

child developed chronic asthma after MMR

http://www.alexharris.co.uk/mmr2.htm

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The Hep B is also one that we were researching. I can not imagine why they

get it so early anyway. I was told they could wait until they are 12 yrs

old. So why the heck do they give it to the tiny precious babies!!??

I would love any info you have on the research!!

Thank you so much!

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> > > Hi All,

> > > My sister has a child who appears to be mildly autistic. He is 4

>years

> >old

> > > and goes to a special preschool. He also goes to a psychologist. She

> > > vaccinates her children, but she is concerned about the thimerosal in

> > > vaccines, and the MMR-Autism connection. Her son is " due " for his

> >booster

> > > shots before he starts school in the fall. She was wondering if there

> >is

> >a

> > > connection between Autism and the MMR only or if there is also a

> >connection

> > > between Autism and just the Measles vaccine by itself. She is

>thinking

> >about

> > > splitting the vaccine up into three different shots. It is pointless

>to

> >try

> > > to talk her out of it as she has already made up her mind to

>vaccinate.

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >Dr Rimland

> >http://www.house.gov/reform/hearings/healthcare/00.06.04/rimland.htm

> >Lynn Redwood http://tlredwood.home.mindspring.com/

> >

> >If autism is from the mercury you may get more mercury in 3 shots.

> >

> >

> >

> >This is what a GP found out:

> >

> >

> >As a GP I gave kids the MMR jab. Now I wouldn't give it to my own.

> >

> >The triple vaccine routinely given to children to prevent measles, mumps

> >and

> >rubella has been controversially linked to autism-like symptoms. We asked

> >Dr

> > Halvorsen to investigate. (Sunday Express Magazine 21 May 2000)

> >

> >Childhood immunisations, I had always assumed, were safe. The Department

> >of

> >Health (DOH) has repeatedly reassured us that their benefits are far

> >greater

> >than the risks and, as a GP, I have been responsible for the immunisation

> >of

> >many hundreds of children. So, when I was asked by the Sunday Express

> >Magazine to write about the MMR vaccine, I expected to be able to

>reassure

> >readers that the vaccine was of clear benefit and that side-effects were

> >either not serious or extremely rare. My research unearthed a different

> >story that makes for disturbing reading.

> >

> >The MMR immunisation was introduced in the UK in 1988 with the first dose

> >aimed at children of 12-15 months, a second at 3-5 years. It is designed

>to

> >protect against measles, mumps and rubella (German Measles) and works by

> >stimulating the immune system to produce antibodies against the viruses

> >without causing harm. It was well received by both parents and doctors so

> >that over 90 per cent of children were being immunised by 1992.

> >

> >Most children received the vaccine with no obvious serious side-effects

>but

> >it grew increasingly apparent that some became seriously ill within a few

> >weeks. These children began behaving strangely, stopped talking and

>became

> >socially withdrawn, staring into space for hours on end. Many developed a

> >raging thirst, bizarre eating habits, multiple food allergies,

> >hyperactivity

> >and sleep problems. This was usually accompanied by abdominal pain,

> >bloating

> >and bowel disturbances, and some became incontinent of urine or faeces.

> >They

> >did not simply fail to develop but lost what they already had. Now, we

>all

> >know coincidences happen, but here are thousands of children who had all

> >developed normally until receiving the vaccine, after which they became

> >very

> >unwell in a remarkably similar pattern. The behaviour these children

>showed

> >was similar to autism, but differed in that they were previously

>developing

> >normally and then lost the skills that they had developed, such as speech

> >and play, a condition called " autistic regression " .

> >

> >Most of the parents felt sure that the cause of these devastating changes

> >in

> >their children was the MMR vaccine, but if they mentioned this concern to

> >their doctors it always met with dismissive reassurance that it must have

> >been a coincidence because the MMR was safe. One doctor, instead of

> >dismissing the possibility of a relationship with the MMR vaccine,

>listened

> >to the worried parents and studied some of the affected children. Dr

>

> >Wakefield, from the Royal Free Hospital in north London, published a

>paper

> >in February 1998 in the medical journal The Lancet suggesting that the

>MMR

> >vaccine could be the cause of the children's autism and bowel

>disturbances,

> >which he calls " autistic enterocolitis " . Dr Wakefield was vociferously

> >attacked for causing unnecessary worry in parents and the MMR vaccine was

> >vigorously defended as being " highly safe and effective " .

> >

> >The Chief Medical Officer, Sir Calman, felt confident enough to

> >say,

> > " I have concluded there is no link between MMR immunisation and autism. "

> >

> >Questioned in Parliament in 1997 on the possible link between MMR and

> >autism, then health minister Tessa Jowell reassured MPs that: " No vaccine

> >is

> >issued in the United Kingdom unless it passes the highest standards for

> >quality, and parents should have confidence that the vaccines that are

> >provided are both safe and efficacious. "

> >

> >But I was concerned to find that the safety trials on the MMR followed

> >children up for only three weeks. This could not possibly detect

> >side-effects that appeared after three weeks. This is alarming for a

> >vaccine

> >aimed at millions of healthy children.

> >

> >In 1999, two studies appeared that the Department of Health claims

> > " reinforce the conclusion that there is no link " between MMR and autism.

> >The

> >first, by the Committee on the Safety of Medicines, involved examining

> >questionnaires sent to the parents who had suspected MMR as a cause for

> >their child's autism - 1200 questionnaires were distributed and 126

> >examined

> >in detail. The study concluded: " It is impossible to prove or refute the

> >suggested associations between MMR vaccine and autism " - hardly convincing

> >reassurance.

> >

> >It is hard to obtain precise figures for the number of children affected

> >with autism because the government does not keep records. But the second

> >study cited by the DOH looked at one area - north London -and found an

> >alarming increase in autism there. The incidence was running steadily at

> >between four and eight of the children born there each year between 1978

> >and

> >1985. Then came a dramatic increase to just under 50 of the children born

> >in

> >1992, the last year studied by Professor Brent and colleagues at

> >University College London. Curiously, however, they concluded: " Our

> >analyses

> >do not support a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism. "

> >

> >To others, including myself, the research figures actually support the

>link

> >between MMR and autism. What has not been adequately explained is the

> >recent

> >massive increase in autism. However, the start of this increase can be

> >traced back to children who were born in the mid 1980s in Britain and the

> >1970s in the United Sates. These were the first children to receive the

>MMR

> >vaccine. In California the incidence of autism was running at 150-200 a

> >year

> >until 1980, then it took off to reach nearly 600 in 1990.

> >

> >In the UK some local authorities have measured the rate of autism and

>have

> >again found very high numbers. However, the Government still has no plans

> >to

> >monitor the number of children with autism. The lack of willingness of

>the

> >Government and the medical profession to accept that a problem could

>exist

> >smacks of complacency at best, and negligence at worst. Not all

>governments

> >hold the same view. In Japan, MMR was withdrawn in 1993 because of an

> >unacceptably high level of side-effects.

> >

> >The evidence against MMR is now mounting. Dr Wakefield has studied more

> >children with " autistic enterocolitis " . His research suggests that the

>MMR

> >vaccine can cause an abnormal immune reaction which, in susceptible

> >children, causes the child's immune system to damage the child's gut,

> >allowing it to absorb chemicals that may attack the brain. This is an

> >auto-immune reaction and it may be no coincidence that some research has

> >linked other auto-immune diseases, such as diabetes, with immunisation.

> >

> >It is looking more and more likely that recent increases in the numbers

>of

> >children with autistic regression and other developmental disorders may

>be

> >triggered, or caused, by the MMR vaccine. The illnesses the vaccine is

> >designed to prevent can themselves cause damage, but the use of MMR in

>this

> >country may be doing more harm than good. Parents from the UK, mainland

> >Europe, Australia, the US~ Canada or Asia are all telling the same story.

> >

> >The parents of over 2,000 children are planning to take their cases to

> >court. It has been suggested that parents are using the MMR vaccine as a

> > " scapegoat " in a desperate attempt to explain their child's autism. This

> >strikes me as an insensitive and flawed suggestion: the last thing

>parents

> >want to believe is that their child's devastating problems were caused by

> >something they inflicted on the child themselves. The Government gives

>the

> >impression of not wanting to know and appears to be more concerned with

> >preserving public confidence than in investigating these children. On 10

> >April this year Professor Liam son, Chief Medical Officer, sent a

> >letter to every GP in the country in which he repeats that " there is no

>new

> >evidence that indicates a causal link between MMR vaccine and autism " .

> >

> >The Hippocratic principle is that doctors should " first do no harm " . At

>the

> >very least parents must be told of the concerns surrounding the MMR

> >vaccine.

> >Doctors should obtain " informed consent " when offering any medical

> >intervention, especially when the " patient " is not ill to start with.

>That

> >means discussing the risks as well as the benefits. If the MMR vaccine

>were

> >a drug, it would be suspended until proper trials had been done to

>examine

> >its safety. Based on what I now know, I would not give my children the

> >combined MMR vaccine. I would consider either using the vaccines singly

> >(not

> >available in this country but possible in mainland Europe) or not

> >vaccinating at all. It may be safer for healthy children to catch these

> >illnesses rather than run the risk of immunisation. It's important that

> >girls have either had rubella or are immunised before pregnancy .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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RE: MMR

> The Hep B is also one that we were researching. I can not imagine why

they

> get it so early anyway. I was told they could wait until they are 12 yrs

> old. So why the heck do they give it to the tiny precious babies!!??

>

> I would love any info you have on the research!!

>

> Thank you so much!

> Lorna

>

Some info on hep b

http://www.whaleto.freeserve.co.uk/Vaccines/hepatitis.html

mmr http://www.whaleto.freeserve.co.uk/Vaccines/mmr.html

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In a message dated 06-20-00 4:03:06 PM Central Daylight Time,

Jcannand@... writes:

<< I called the CDC and they said that the MMR whether separate or together

has

always been thimerosal free. She said it is a live virus vaccine and it

does

not need a preservative. Does anyone know anything about this? Just

curious.

>>

,

Whether it is or not matters little to me.. it is cultured in aborted

babies...

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It looks like maybe they were honest. A miracle in itself. I think the

issue with mmr is that it is to many diseases for the liver to deal with

at one time....

http://www.immunize.org/news.d/thimtabl.htm

Jcannand@... wrote:

>

> I called the CDC and they said that the MMR whether separate or together has

> always been thimerosal free. She said it is a live virus vaccine and it does

> not need a preservative. Does anyone know anything about this? Just curious.

>

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, I'm assuming your child has not suffered adverse reactions to

vaccines. All my children age 22, 20, and 17 had all the vaccines that

were mandatory. My 17 year old has had the most, as she had the HepB

series 4 years ago. She complains continually of all kinds of ailments,

and for the past two years (up until 4 months ago) she was in the

doctor's office with ligitimate illness, and autoimmune problems. My

concern now is that she has been damaged by the HepB. She continually

complains that her knees and back hurts. She has migraine headaches,

she has a sleep disorder. It is hard for her to fall asleep and then

when she does she is very difficult to wake up. It is very hard for her

to rouse, and she is like a zombie. She had mysterious skin eruptions

that were treated by a dermatologist. I'm most concerned about the back

and joint pains she experiences. Now for my oldest daughter who had all

" her " shots on time, and also had the measles vaccine when she was 15

months. At 6 years old she had a severe case of the measles, and the

doctor just shrugged and said that happens sometimes. Personally,. I

think it happens more often than they admit. Ten years ago in Austin

the alarm went out that there was a measles epidemic, and everyone

needed to get a " booster " . There was something in the paper also about

the fact that a majority of those infected had been vaccinated. My son

had recurrent ear infections for the first two years of his life. His

doctor was conservative, and didn't always prescribe antibiotics. My

sister in law 14 years ago had to have immunizations, including the MMR

while in college. Shortly after, in her mid twenties, she began falling

apart physically and hasn't been able to enjoy her profession of

teaching because she has been ill. After ten years of cortasteriods,

and antibiotics, and God knows what else, she is no better. They

haven't been able to pin point what she has. Arthritis? Kinda. Lupus?

Close. But no she doesn't completely fit the diagnostic criteria. Now

they tell her she has " connective tissue disease " which by the way is a

NEW illness. Ironically, a close friend of mine who for the past 18

years has had autoimmune problems and been to many doctors who thought

it was MS, but now their pretty sure it's not, they now. call it

" connective tissue disease " I spoke with her yesterday after a long

time of not being in touch. When the subject of vaccines were brought up

she felt like it was timely that I called (as I shared with her my

concerns about vaccines), and she is wrestling with this. She has the

autoimmune problem, they are telling her in nursing school she has to

have proof of all vaccinations since childhood, or have them again, or

show immunity by titres. She actually believes what I told her makes

sense. Now to the reason for my concerns. My grandson who is 4 became

autistic after his last round of shots, which included the MMR and the

chicken pox as well as all the others. He has been diagnosed with

severe autism. That was when I started investigating and found out what

serious (sometimes even deadly) disorders and diseases vaccines cause,

and now have little faith in them. Many adults have had dibilitating

problems after getting vaccinations, and Alzheimer's is being linked to

vaccines. The theory is that it is the aluminum and mercury in the flu

vaccine that senior citizens get every year. I can't say I don't have

some concerns about not vaccinating, because now I have another

grandchild who is 7 months old. I was successful in convincing his

parents (my son and his girlfriend) to forbid the HepB on the first day

of life, but the mom wasn't completely convinced when he was 2 months,

so she let the doctor give him Hib. Since then she has decided not to

get anymore until he is 2 or maybe never. She has withstood the

doctor's ire, and her family members that don't agree with her

decision. So far he hasn't ever run a fever (knock on wood) and hasn't

been ill except for a runny nose occasionally that is typical here in

Texas for everyone. The greatest concern I have is that he could be

harmed by the vaccines. C.

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In a message dated 9/19/01 8:25:22 PM GTB Daylight Time, usmcwife@...

writes:

<<

I'd rather that my 16.5 month old NOT have to battle Measles, Mumps,

or Rubella right now... I expect that it wouldn't harm him to get

them, but wanted to wait until he was a little older to have to

battle the bugs. >>

Typically if a rash occurs is is anywhere from 8-14 days after the shot.If

you really want to be prudent you would avoid him from the third day post

shot to say the 20th day.

sara

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<<

Anyone have any info on the more immediate side effects (not long

term... she doesn't even want to know about those!!) -- She agreed to

let me send her some links to information as long as they weren't

scary long term icky stuff (her words) --

>>

Why even bother then? Tell her to dose him up with tylenol and be done with

it.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr

Reactions from the MMR start anywhere from day one to 14 days after the

shot....crying, high fever,rash,head banging...these are a few I can think of

right off.I just read a post from a mom whose son had encephalitis 10 days

post shot and suffered long term brain damage;they were *compensated* for the

damage the vaccine did.

She doesn't sound like the type who would bother with a homeopath,which is

unfortunate for the boy.The least she could do is give him some sodium

ascorbate and vitA daily for the next few weeks,and I doubt she will even do

that...but worth mentioning.

You are a good friend to try and help.

For reactions not listed in the insert/VIS that happen often she would have

to read through VAERS reports over at fedbuzz.If you need the link email me.

Let us hope this little one isn't autisic in the next few months.

Sara

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Here is a pro-vaccine site that will tell her side effects:

http://www.medinfo.co.uk/immunisations/mmr.html

The commonest side effects are similar to a mild version of one of

the viruses involved, and not very different to the measles vaccine

which was previously used. The child may be generally less vigorous,

have a slight fever and possibly a rash, most often about a week

after the immunisation and lasting about two or three days. Swelling

of the glands in the cheeks, as seen in mumps, may happen about three

weeks after the injection in about 1 in 100 cases.

Occasionally more serious events, such as convulsions, occur. This

happens in about 1 in 1000 cases, six to eleven days after the

injection. If your child develops worrying side effects you should

contact your doctor.

And another:

http://www.parentcenter.com/refcap/1097.html#4

Home > Health > Wellness & Prevention

Wellness & Prevention

The MMR vaccine

Age 2

by Haiken

approved by the ParentCenter Advisory Board

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----------

What's below:

• Why does my child need the MMR vaccine?

• When should my child get the MMR vaccine?

• Who shouldn't get the MMR vaccine?

• What precautions should I take?

• What are the possible side effects or risks of an adverse

reaction?

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----------

Why does my child need the MMR vaccine?

The MMR vaccine protects your child against three viruses: Measles,

mumps, and rubella (German measles).

Measles is a highly contagious virus that was once virtually

universal in children. Its most prominent symptoms are a high fever

and an uncomfortable rash, but about 5 percent of young children

infected with measles also develop a serious form of pneumonia. In

older children, measles can cause an infection of the brain called

encephalitis, which results in permanent brain damage in about 25

percent of those who get it. Measles can also cause a very rare

condition called subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, or SSPE. About

seven years after having had measles, a child with SSPE will develop

personality changes, weakness, seizures, and brain damage, eventually

going into a coma and dying. Before the vaccine was introduced in

1963, the United States had between 3 and 4 million cases of measles

each year, with more than 300 deaths from the disease. These days the

United States has about a hundred annual cases with no deaths. When

measles vaccination rates went down in 1990, there was an outbreak of

28,000 cases of measles, and 30 children died.

Mumps is a viral infection that typically causes a mild fever and a

swollen jaw. Before the mumps vaccine was introduced in 1967, the

Unites States had about 200,000 cases of mumps every year, with 20 to

30 deaths. Mumps was also the most common cause of acquired deafness

and of viral meningitis, an infection of the lining of the brain. Up

to 40 percent of males who are infected with mumps after puberty

develop a painful swelling of the testicles called orchitis, which in

rare cases can lead to sterility and testicular cancer. Today the

United States has about 350 cases of mumps each year.

Rubella, or German measles, is characterized by a pinkish red rash

(starting on the face), a mild fever, and swollen lymph nodes. It's a

mild illness that runs its course in about three days, but if a woman

gets it during the first trimester of pregnancy, her child has an 85

percent chance of blindness, deafness, heart defects, or mental

retardation. Before the vaccine came along in 1965, rubella caused

these birth defects in 20,000 infants a year. Today only about five

U.S. children each year are born with birth defects caused by

rubella.

When should my child get the MMR vaccine?

Your pediatrician will typically give your child the MMR vaccine at

her 12- or 15-month checkup and then again when she's 4 to 6 years

old, but she can get the second dose at any age as long as it's at

least 28 days after the first dose. You can use our Immunization

Scheduler to keep track of your child's shots.

Who shouldn't get the MMR vaccine?

Your child should not get MMR vaccine if she has ever had a life-

threatening allergic reaction to gelatin (yes, the stuff that makes

Jell-O hold together), the antibiotic neomycin, or a previous dose of

MMR vaccine. She'll probably also be advised against getting it if

she:

• has HIV or AIDS or any other disease that affects the immune system

• has ever had a low platelet count

Because the measles vaccine is made by growing the virus in chick

embryo cells, children with egg allergies were at one time advised

not to get the MMR vaccine. However, recent studies have found that

even children with severe egg allergies can receive this vaccine

without any increased risk of side effects.

What precautions should I take?

If your child is moderately or severely ill, you should usually

reschedule the shot after she recovers. Also, if she's taken high

doses of oral steroids (such as for asthma or poison ivy) for more

than two weeks, she should wait three months before receiving the MMR

or any live, weakened vaccine, because steroids can decrease her

ability to build immunity after vaccination. If she's been undergoing

treatment for cancer, including radiation or chemotherapy, you'll

want to wait at least five months before bringing her in for this

shot to give her immune system time to recover. Finally, let your

pediatrician know if your child has recently received a blood

transfusion or any other blood product before she gets this vaccine.

What are the possible side effects or risks of an adverse reaction?

Mild reactions are fairly common. One in six children will get a low

fever and one in 20 will get a mild rash. In rare cases, your child

may have swelling in the glands in her neck or cheeks. Perhaps one in

a hundred children will have joint pain. If these problems occur,

they usually happen within seven to 12 days of getting the shot. And

your child is less likely to have these symptoms after her second

dose.

Moderate reactions are less common. About one in 3,000 children will

have a seizure (jerking or staring) caused by high fever.

These " febrile " seizures are almost always harmless for your child

but may be scary for you. About one in 30,000 will have a temporarily

low platelet count, which may cause bleeding problems.

Serious reactions are extremely rare. About one in a million children

will have a serious allergic reaction, marked by difficulty

breathing, hoarseness or wheezing, hives, paleness, weakness, a

racing heartbeat, or dizziness. Allergic reactions occur within a few

hours of getting the shot if they occur at all. And while more than

70 million doses of the MMR vaccine have been distributed in the

United States since 1990, only 11 children have had a severe allergic

reaction to it, and all of them recovered.

Anyway, it will let her know that reactions occur beyond that 3 day

window the nurse was talking about.

Luster

> Anyone have any info on the more immediate side effects (not long

> term... she doesn't even want to know about those!!) -- She agreed

to

> let me send her some links to information as long as they weren't

> scary long term icky stuff (her words) --

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At 10:25 AM 10/20/2001 -0400, you wrote:

>Does anybody have a link or reference where this came from?

>

>

>

>> MMR

>> 1. Over a period of four years, in the UK, 66% of all measles cases

>were in

>> vaccinated children.

It came from here

from

" Paris Moon " <paris_sun@...>

http://www.ttc-cmc.net/~nlight/bane.htm

SMALLPOX

To test the effectiveness of natural immunity versus vaccination, the

nonvaccinated Kingston Clinic staff challenged six vaccinated doctors to

join them, in 1936, in a smallpox isolation unit. The doctors had the very

good sense not to accept the offer.

POLIO

1. American health authorities are considering a complete change of policy

in the face of strong evidence that all cases of polio are caused by the

polio vaccine.

2. Bernard Reis, English professor at Cornell University and an " energetic,

athletic achiever " was paralysed by polio a month after his baby was, by

law, polio-vaccinated.

3. Dr F Klinner stated, " Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and

Sabin vaccines, being made of monkey tissues, have been directly responsible

for the major increase of leukaemia in this country. "

TUBERCULOSIS

1. The World's largest vaccine trial, in Southern India, of the BCG vaccine,

resulted in more TB in the vaccinated group than in the control group.

DPT

1. The whooping cough vaccine is made from the mucus of infected children,

mixed with formaldehyde, aluminium and mercury.

2. In a recent study of 540 Dutch babies, 512 had adverse reactions to the

DPT vaccines.

3. Dr Mendelsohn, paediatrician, said, " ...nearly 10,000 SIDS each

year " (in the USA) " are related to the vaccines routinely given to

children. "

4. In 1986 Dr Weiner PhD. stated, " More die each year from SIDS than

the total number of all AIDS cases since 1981, yet little research money has

been allocated to study the possibility of a relationship between these

deaths and the DPT vaccine. "

MMR 1. Over a period of four years, in the UK, 66% of all measles cases were

in vaccinated children.

2. In a 1986 measles outbreak in Corpus Christi, Taxas, 99% of the children

had been vaccinated.

3. 26% of children rubella-vaccinated developed arthralgia or arthritis. (US

Science magazine.)

4. Trials on the rubella vaccine, in the USA and Australia, show a fallure

rate of between 80 and 93%.

5. Dr Glen Dettman found that one third of rheumatoid arthritis sufferers

had live rubella viruses in their joints.

6. The Lancet reported that West German authorities had listed 27

neurological reactions to the mumps vaccine, including meningitls, febrile

convulsions and epilepsy.

HEPATITIS B

1. The hepatitis B vaccine is made from the blood of human beings infected

with hepatitis B; ie someone at high risk of developing AIDS.

2. A Lancet study of 1991 showed a 20% hepatitis infection rate in 358

hepatitis-vaccinated Gambian children.

HIB

1. A Minnesota study showed that the American Hib " polysaccharide " vaccine

increased the risk of Hib-induced meningitis five-fold.

2. A study on the least useless Hib vaccine - the PRP-OMPC - in Los Angeles

found a lowering of antibody response as vaccine dosage increased.

INFLUENZA 1. The British Post Office dropped influenza vaccine promotion

after it failed to show any reduction in absenteeism.

2. The " Influenza Monitoring and Information Bureau " is funded by the

influenza vaccine manufacturers.

3. Dr Mendelsohn stated that any influenza vaccine could cause

Guillain-Barre Syndrome and paralysis.

4. Influenza vaccines are made from material taken from 'flu victims;

material then processed with mashed chick embryos, taken from disease-

ridden intensive battery sheds.

TYPHOID

1. The typhoid vaccine is made from the excrement of typhoid-infected

people.

CHOLERA

1. The World Health Organisation has finally admitted, after countless

cholera jabs, that the vaccine is useless, and has advised that, " It is not

worth having. "

IN GENERAL

1. Known and suspected effects of vaccines include, asthma, eczema,

increased allergies, encephalitis, cancer, leukaemia, cot death, meningitis,

lower motor neuron disease, juvenile diabetes, violent behaviour, and so on.

2. American medical historian, Coulter, writing in 'Vaccination,

Social Violence and Criminality' states, " A large proportion of the millions

of US children suffering from autism, seizures, mental retardation,

hyperactivity, dsylexia and other shoots and branches of the hydra-headed

entity called " developmental disabilities " , owe their disorders to one or

another of the vaccines against childhood diseases. " According to Dr R de

Long, " Since 1981 we have been immunising the human population with

attenuated (live) viral vaccines en mass. Such unparalleled use. . . may be

the reason for the appearance of new diseases. "

3. We now have 20,000 new diseases, and rising.

4. Vaccine makers, acting through corrupt bureaucrats, politicians and mass

media agents, have always been able to pass off their wares after fraudulent

animal testing; the human being is the real guinea-pig.

5. Dr J A , leading US infectious disease expert declared, " We only

hear about the encephalitis and the deaths, but there is an entire spectrum

between fever and death, and it's all those things in between that never get

reported. " -

6. Dr R Mendelsohn said, " There now exists a growing theoretical concern

which links immunisation to the huge increase, in recent decades, of

auto-immune diseases, eg rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lymphoma

and leukaemia. "

7. According to Dr Duperrat, " ...vaccination causes, furthermore, an

explosion of leukaemia. "

8.A report in the Revue de Pathologie et de Physiologie Clinique, stated,

" The vaccine modifies the terrain of the vaccinated, driving it towards

alkaline and oxydised terrain; the terrain of cancer, the fact can no longer

be ignored. "

9. Dr R Moskowitz, writing in the Journal of the American Institute of

Homoeopaths stated that vaccination could arouse latent, cell-bound,

antibodyimmune viruses, leading, through stress or shock to " autonomous

multiplication of cells, ie. cancer. "

10. Professor R Simpson, of the American Cancer Society, said that vaccines

may cause rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus,

erythematosus, Parkinson's Disease, and cancer. All the available evidence

shows that the decline of the infectious diseases was due to social factors,

hygiene, sanitation, housing, nutrition, etc.

11. Dr Moskowitz suggests that there are " fewer greater insults one can

offer the immune system of a young child than to introduce, directly into

his/her bloodstream, the foreign proteins or live viruses that compose

modern vaccines. "

[With thanks to the British Anti-Vivesection Society.]

Also in the above link:

Mad Cow Disease in Milk and Beef Causes Mad Cow Disease in Humans

Masquerading as Alzheimer's

by Dr. Grady A. Deal

***and***

Infected Milk and Beef Causes Mad Cow Disease, Leukemia, Cancer and Crohn's

Disease in Humans

by Dr. Grady A. Deal, Ph.D., D.C. June 1, 1997

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