Re: HBOT--sorry I meant before HBOT

[Guest guest]

I meant to say metals MUST be removed before HBOT--Big hurry to run out the

door!

Elena

[Guest guest]

Elena I know you mean well but you are unknowingly stressing the parent out that

is going this route and who's child will be part of some sort of HBOT study in

Canada. This mom had posted an " OMG!! " message to share some of the exciting

updates of surges she's seen in her son since being on the nutriiveda -the

message wasn't about the HBOT which she did not start yet. She is excited about

changes that she and her husband have seen in days on nutriiveda in their son

when no matter what they tried previous (many things including mB12 shots as

she'll tell you) nothing. Nothing before. Most probably if she had started

nutriiveda a few weeks sooner prior to the other commitments of HBOT and the SCD

diet she may not have had to explore any other routes at this point. But plans

have been made.

I know you are a caring mom and I'm sure you have a reason for telling her about

not doing HBOT prior to chelation, to not trust any doctor when she answered

your message and told you this is what her doctor is advising her for her son,

and again in this third message saying the metals " MUST " be removed first which

is in disagreement from her child's doctor/s but please again share your source

of where you are getting this from. I know for a fact again that this mom is

now stressed and I'm sure you don't want that. She's looking for answers and I

tried to help her and honestly can't find anything on what you are saying and

I'm typically the google and PubMed search queen!

I agree with you we should not just auto trust any professional that works with

our child and do our own homework to search up on any possible downsides -but we

for sure shouldn't just trust anyone's opinion on a grouplist that doesn't know

us or our child either. I personally know little about HBOT danger, explored

oxygen therapy for the lay person at an oxygen bar with Tanner who let us do the

therapy for months for free (nope saw nothing and yes I know this isn't HBOT

therapy) Based on what I read I know the main concern from a medical standpoint

is that there may be a few risks but most likely you may or may not see any

difference from it and it's the cost and time that can be wasted- not " you may

not see the damage right away but " That kind of is a creepy warning don't you

think...like " sure he looks fine now but don't let him go to sleep! "

But clearly like all of us we try things to see if they make a difference. I

recommend things that are benign and even fun for the child -like " chocolate

milk " for example. I again want to congratulate Anni for the progress her son

has made so far on nutriiveda in such a short time -including his first real

poop which was the reason she was going to put him on the strict SCD diet as

that has been one of the issues previous. The good news is that it will be easy

to know even once HBOT and the strict SCD starts for her son what's making a

difference -because like the fish oils all one has to do to know it's working is

stop giving your child the fish oils or nutriiveda. We know regression happens

with fish oils- and now with nutriiveda too. I'm not a betting person but I

know where my belief lays now. Proof is in the pudding -and isn't it great that

we found something that works that once again like fish oils is either way

healthy, inexpensive, simple, and benign even if it doesn't " work " but thank

God (and Mother Nature) most times it does!!

Cherab is part of the CUE Cochrane Foundation and the following is a review of

HBOT and below is some info from Canada Health I found too.

Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2004 Oct 18;(4):CD004609.

Hyperbaric oxygen therapy for the adjunctive treatment of traumatic brain

injury.

MH, Trytko B, Jonker B.

Diving and Hyperbaric Medicine, Prince of Wales Hospital, Barker St., Randwick,

2031, NSW, Australia. m.bennett@...

BACKGROUND: Traumatic brain injury is common and presents a health problem with

significant effect on quality of life. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT) has been

suggested to improve oxygen supply to the injured brain and, therefore, to

reduce the volume of brain that will ultimately perish. It is postulated that

the addition of HBOT to the standard intensive care regimen may result in a

reduction in patient death and disability as a result of these additional

brain-preserving effects. OBJECTIVES: To assess the benefits and harms of

adjunctive HBOT for treating traumatic brain injury. SEARCH STRATEGY: We

searched CENTRAL (The Cochrane Library Issue 4, 2003), MEDLINE (1966 - 2003),

EMBASE (1974 - 2003), CINAHL (1982 - 2003), DORCTHIM (1996 - 2003), and

reference lists of articles. Relevant journals were handsearched and researchers

in the field were contacted. SELECTION CRITERIA: Randomised studies comparing

the effect on traumatic brain injury of therapeutic regimens which include HBOT

with those that exclude HBOT (with or without sham therapy). DATA COLLECTION AND

ANALYSIS: Three reviewers independently evaluated the quality of the relevant

trials using the validated Oxford-Scale (Jadad 1996) and extracted the data from

the included trials. MAIN RESULTS: Four trials contributed to this review (382

patients, 199 receiving HBOT and 183 control). There was a trend towards, but no

significant increase in, the chance of a favourable outcome when defined as full

recovery, Glasgow outcome score 1 or 2, or return to normal activities of daily

living (relative risk [RR] for good outcome with HBOT 1.94, 95% confidence

interval [CI] 0.92 to 4.08, P=0.08). Pooled data from the three trials with 327

patients that reported mortality, showed a significant reduction in the risk of

dying when HBOT was added to the treatment regimen (RR 0.69, 95% CI 0.54 to

0.88, P=0.003). Heterogeneity between studies was low (I(2) =0%), and

sensitivity analysis for the allocation of dropouts did not affect that result.

This analysis suggests we would have to treat seven patients to avoid one extra

death (number needed to treat [NNT] 7, 95% CI 4 to 22). One trial suggested

intracranial pressure was favourably lower in those patients receiving HBOT in

whom myringotomies had been performed (WMD with myringotomy -8.2 mmHg, 95% CI

-14.7 mmHg to -1.7 mmHg, P=0.01), while in two trials there was a reported

incidence of 13% for significant pulmonary impairment in the group receiving

HBOT versus 0% in the non-HBOT group (P=0.007). REVIEWERS' CONCLUSIONS: In

people with traumatic brain injury, the addition of HBOT significantly reduced

the risk of death but not of favourable clinical outcome. The routine

application of HBOT to these patients cannot be justified from this review. In

view of the modest number of patients, methodological shortcomings and poor

reporting, this result should be interpreted cautiously, and an appropriately

powered trial of high methodological rigour is justified to define those

patients (if any) who can be expected to derive most benefit from HBOT.

PMID: 15495120 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

And because Anni is from Canada -here's some information from Health Canada:

The Issue

While hyperbaric oxygen therapy is recognized as an effective treatment for 13

specific conditions listed below, the operators of some private clinics claim it

can also be used to treat such conditions as multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy,

cancer, AIDS, stroke and migraine headaches. There is no scientific proof to

support these claims.

Background

Hyperbaric oxygen therapy is a well-established medical treatment. In April

2005, the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society recognized the therapy as an

effective treatment for 13 specific conditions:

* embolisms (air or gas bubbles in the bloodstream, which may travel to the

brain or lungs);

* carbon monoxide poisoning (from inhaling smoke or car exhaust);

* gas gangrene;

* crush injury, Compartment Syndrome and other acute traumatic problems

where blood flow is reduced or cut off (e.g., frostbite);

* decompression sickness (the bends);

* enhancement of healing for wounds such as diabetic foot ulcers;

* exceptional blood loss (anemia);

* intracranial abscess (an accumulation of pus in the brain);

* necrotizing soft tissue infections (flesh-eating disease);

* osteomyelitis (bone infection);

* delayed radiation injury (e.g., radiation burns that develop after cancer

therapy);

* skin grafts and flaps that are not healing well; and

* thermal burns (e.g., from fire or electrical sources).

How Hyperbaric Treatment Works

The therapy promotes healing in these 13 conditions by delivering a high

concentration of oxygen quickly and deeply into the affected areas of the body.

During treatment, a patient goes into a closed chamber. The atmospheric pressure

inside the chamber is increased. When the pressure reaches the level prescribed

for the treatment, the patient is given 100 percent oxygen to breathe for a set

amount of time. The patient breathes the oxygen through a hood and is advised

when to take " breaks " and breathe the regular air inside the chamber. Regular

air is 21 percent oxygen.

Some hyperbaric chambers hold only one patient. Others can accommodate two or

more people. On occasion, a care-giver will go into the chamber with a patient.

The duration of each treatment, the number of treatments and the pressure used

all vary, depending on the patient's condition. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy

treatments normally take place in hospitals or private clinics.

The Safety of Hyperbaric Chambers

Hyperbaric chambers are medical devices and require a licence from Health

Canada. Before granting a licence, Health Canada experts review technical

information to ensure that the medical device is safe and effective when used

for specific conditions.

Health Canada has reviewed the scientific evidence related to hyperbaric

chambers. The evidence shows that chambers are effective in treating the 13

conditions recognized by the Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society. Therefore,

Health Canada has issued medical device licences for hyperbaric chambers to

treat only these 13 conditions. No device licences have been issued for the use

of hyperbaric chambers to treat other conditions.

Unproven Claims about Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

Be skeptical of anyone who advertises or offers hyperbaric oxygen therapy to

treat conditions such as multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy, cancer, AIDS,

stroke or migraine headaches. At present there is no scientific proof that this

therapy is useful in treating these other conditions.

It is very expensive to have treatments at a private clinic. People who pursue

hyperbaric oxygen therapy for these other conditions may spend a lot of money

for little or no benefit. Even worse, they may delay, or in some cases not

receive, proven treatments that could help them or their loved ones.

Potential Risks

When used to treat recognized medical conditions, hyperbaric oxygen therapy is

generally safe, as long as:

* the chamber is properly installed according to municipal and provincial

regulations;

* operators and attendants are properly trained; and

* a certified hyperbaric physician is either on site, or can be reached

easily and quickly.

However, there are risks. Before consenting to treatment, you should consider

these factors:

* Pressure inside the chamber can damage the middle and inner ear, nasal

sinuses, lungs and teeth in both adults and children.

* Some people experience claustrophobia inside the chamber.

* The therapy may affect your eyes, for example by promoting nearsightedness

or cataract growth.

* Because hyperbaric oxygen therapy affects blood sugar levels, diabetics

should have their levels checked before and after treatment.

* A high concentration of oxygen can cause serious complications in some

children who have congenital heart disease.

* Too much oxygen can sometimes, although rarely, lead to overload that can

cause seizures and lung problems. This is usually prevented by having the

patient take breaks to breathe normal air instead of pure oxygen.

* High concentrations of oxygen at elevated pressures can pose a risk of

fire.

There is also a risk the chamber might explode if it has not been properly

installed or if the staff is not properly trained. In addition, it may be

difficult or impossible for operators to deal with medical emergencies that may

come up when patients are isolated inside the closed chamber.

Minimizing Your Risk

If you decide to pursue this therapy on the advice of your doctor, Health Canada

recommends the following steps:

* Make sure your medical condition is on the list of recognized conditions

that respond to hyperbaric oxygen therapy. (See the Need More Info? section

below for more on this.)

* Be candid with the hyperbaric physician who interviews you. The doctor

needs all the facts to determine whether you are medically capable of undergoing

treatment.

* Make sure the hyperbaric chamber has been licensed by Health Canada. You

can do this on the Internet by searching Health Canada's database of approved

medical devices.

If your treatment is going to be at a private clinic:

* Verify that the installation and operation of the hyperbaric chamber

comply with recognized safety standards.

* Ensure that operators are trained and capable of dealing with a medical

emergency that might arise during treatment. Ask about emergency procedures.

* Check that a certified hyperbaric physician will either be on site or can

be reached easily and quickly if needed.

Finally, report any problems caused by hyperbaric oxygen therapy to Health

Canada's Medical Devices Hotline, at 1-800-267-9675 (toll-free in Canada).

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/med/hyper-eng.php#po

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