And even more reasons you'll be kicked off a plane!

[Guest guest]

This is not the first child thrown off a plane -various airlines -

for reasons worse than this one since in this case the airline is

saying the mother didn't follow the FAA regulations which the airline

says was the primary reason they were kicked off. To note if one is

going to boycott an airline due to this -you may just want to give up

flying as the stories are many. Thing is if you have a special need

as we all know you need to work with it -take the stuff out of the

bag prior to storing it -or ask a passenger behind you if you can put

your bag under their seat. I'm sure it could have been worked out.

But you want to be outraged -does anyone even know that a child was

kicked off a plane.... for coughing (!)...in October of 2007? Below

is that news story that like most of the other " kid kicked off the

plane stories " didn't make it big like the most current one -as well

as a few but there are so many that I also have below a " how not to

get kicked off an airplane " article!

from 2007 " In the past nine months, passengers have been kicked off

airplanes or detained at airports for uncontrolled coughing, joking

about hijacking, breast-feeding a baby, kissing and other amorous

activities, cursing at flight attendants who denied them alcohol,

failing to get a screaming child buckled in for takeoff, and carrying

a sippy cup of water. " rest of article below the following...

Family kicked off plane for coughing child

01:27 PM MST on Monday, October 1, 2007

WVEC-TV

A lin family was kicked off a Southwest Airline Flight headed

from Portland, Oregon to Hampton Roads because her son had a coughing

fit. The woman says she feels humiliated, and wants an apology from

the airline.

Christal Hobbs claims her family was treated like terrorists last

Tuesday aboard the flight.

" It's wrong, " said Hobbs. " I should not have been treated like that.

My family shouldn't been treated like that. "

Watch the report

Hobbs says her son, Gage, threw a crying fit in the waiting area

before boarding. She tried to calm him down once they boarded the

plane, but his crying turned into a cough that the four-year-old

could not control.

Hobbs says a woman who showed no credentials, but claimed to be a

nurse, asked to examine the boy.

After a 20 minute delay, Hobbs says the family was escorted off the

plane because the nurse advised the pilot it was unsafe for her son

to fly. Hobbs is furious that the pilot made his decision solely on a

passenger's advice.

" Why is it her choice and not my choice, " asked Hobbs. " Why doesn't

anyone listen to my side of the story? "

The turbulent experience is one Hobbs says her family won't forget,

and she says she won't fly Southwest, again.

A spokesperson from Southwest Airlines tells 13News her son's health

and the safety of their passengers were the overriding concerns in

their decision.

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ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - An airline is defending its decision to bump a

family from a flight after a child's temper-tantrum delayed

takeoff.

AirTran Airways says " in fairness " to the other passengers, the crew

made the decision to remove the family of three. It happened after a

Massachusetts couple's crying 3-year-old daughter refused to take her

seat before takeoff.

The flight was leaving from Fort Myers. The parents say they needed a

little more time to calm their daughter, but " weren't given an

opportunity to hold her, console her or anything. " The airline also

refused the mom's request to hold the child on her lap. Crew members

cited FAA regulations.

AirTran reimbursed the family for the three tickets, and flew them

home the next day. The airline also offered the family three free

roundtrip tickets.

But the family vows never to fly AirTran again.

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And what about this

Flying the child-unfriendly skies

Woman kicked off flight after refusing to medicate her child into

silence.

Carol Lloyd

Jul. 13, 2007 | The story of a mother who was kicked off a

Continental flight because she refused to medicate her 19-month-old

at the flight attendant's request has stirred up a poop storm of

opinions and accusations in cyberspace. Last month, Kate Penland was

flying from Atlanta to Oklahoma with a stop in Houston. As the plane

was taxiing toward takeoff, for its final leg, her son Garren began

saying " Bye-bye, plane " repeatedly. Penland told WSB-TV in Atlanta

that a flight attendant said: " It's not funny anymore. You need to

shut your baby up. " After Penland questioned whether she was joking,

the flight attendant reportedly answered: " You know, it's called baby

Benadryl. " Penland told the flight attendant that she wasn't about to

medicate her child so that the flight attendant could have a pleasant

flight, and the flight attendant announced that they were turning

around and kicking the woman off the plane. In the updated story the

flight attendant allegedly told the captain that she had been

threatened by Penland, something Penland denies.

Bring on the child haters, the airline critics, the lazy parenting

theorists! If you think this story sounds like an urban legend

designed to foment sippy-cup culture wars, I don't blame you. I too

would have found it difficult to swallow had I not experienced a

similar treatment on an airline just last month. The details are

tedious -- they involve me tapping the flight attendant on the

shoulder trying to pass along some trash, him informing me he didn't

appreciate " being touched, " and me asking why he was being so rude.

He then snarled at me: " Your children are totally out of control! If

you'd just discipline them, you'd be much better off. "

Granted, my kids often give an unfortunate impression given that they

both look two years older than they are, but definitely act their

age. In public situations, I've been known to whisper, hiss,

threaten, cover a screaming mouth, and take away beloved privileges

until I'm literally dripping with sweat. But this wasn't one of those

occassions. When the flight attendant -- a young man who I assumed

had no children -- told me off, both children were sitting absolutely

silent, enraptured by a Hello Kitty DVD. Perhaps something had

happened while I was in the bathroom and they were with my husband,

I'll never know. After the event, I had 20 more hours of traveling to

soul-search. Perhaps my children are monsters and I would never

really be able to see it. Maybe in the wake of 9/11, flying and the

jobs of flight attendants had become too stressful and high anxiety

for them to be able to deal with squirmy passengers with squeaky

voices or anything out of the ordinary. (Do a search for " kicked off

airplane " and you get all sorts of stories about American flights

dumping passengers for virtually nothing: a coughing fit, a political

T-shirt, for a father asking if a pilot is sober.)

Once we switched flights to Lufthansa and a number of smiling, toy-

bearing German flight attendants charmed the socks off my kids, I

couldn't help thinking that it wasn't air travel but an American

cultural divide about the place of children in society. The recent

story about a woman who was kicked off a Delta flight for not

covering her toddler's head with a blanket while breast-feeding

offers more evidence of some weird attitudes toward children. The

experience of Kate Penland vindicates this hunch. Obviously

suggesting that a child be medicated goes far beyond any rational

response to a chatty 19-month-old no matter how repetitive he was

being. (Baby Benadryl can be a beautiful thing, but it's a parent's

prerogative to use it, not a flight attendant's place to demand it.)

But according to many of the readers of this story who are sick and

tired of " obnoxious booger eating " animals disturbing their peace,

she did the right thing. Now let's be clear; most of the posters

sympathize with Penland, whether they have kids or not. But for a

certain child-free percentage of the population, ordinary kid

behavior is so reprehensible as to warrant turning around flights and

creating child-free restaurants.

-- Carol Lloyd

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/2007/07/12/flying/print.html

COUPLE WITH TOT KICKED OFF PLANE OVER ABDUCTION FEARS

Source: Associated Press

A white couple from Tallahassee and their adopted daughter were

ordered off an airplane because police were concerned they had

abducted the Chinese toddler. and Ruth Feiock said that the

actions of police were bigoted and that they may file a civil lawsuit

against Erie International Airport. ``It was a very racist thing to

do, ordering us off of the plane,'' said Feiock, a political

science professor at Florida State University. The family was in Erie

Published on June 11, 2004, Page 3B, Miami Herald, The (FL)

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And these guys were kicked off for trying to stop a mother from

calming down her child who was throwing a tantrum!

Bikers Against Child Abuse kicked off Frontier Airlines flight

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Several members of Bikers Against Child Abuse

were kicked off a flight leaving Denver for Salt Lake City after they

tried to stop the disciplining of a toddler by her mother.

The 2-year-old was being hit and threatened by her mother, members of

the group told Salt Lake City television station KUTV. One member

stood up and said something to the mother.

Frontier Airlines officials said the incident happened while the

plane was taxiing at Denver International Airport late Sunday. The

plane was stopped, and security agents escorted 21 people off. They

included 15 BACA members, two other passengers, the parents and their

two children.

" What was a concern to us was that our pilots thought the safety of

our passengers was being compromised, " said Joe Hodas, a Frontier

spokesman.

Denver police were called to meet those escorted from the plane, but

no charges were filed.

BACA has 34 chapters in 13 states. Members visit abused children and

attend court hearings when an abused or assaulted child's case goes

to court. Many members suffered abuse themselves, and say they want

children to know they're there to protect them.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-01-27-biker-plane_x.htm

And how to avoid being kicked off the plane (hey I didn't write this!)

Avoid air hassles: Be discreet and on your best behavior

Posted 6/28/2007 10:14 AM

By Beth Harpaz, AP Travel Editor

NEW YORK — In the past nine months, passengers have been kicked off

airplanes or detained at airports for uncontrolled coughing, joking

about hijacking, breast-feeding a baby, kissing and other amorous

activities, cursing at flight attendants who denied them alcohol,

failing to get a screaming child buckled in for takeoff, and carrying

a sippy cup of water.

Whether you side with the passengers or the workers who disciplined

them, one thing is for sure. It doesn't take much in the post-9/11

era to get in trouble on airplanes or in airports for behavior that

might not be a big deal at a ballpark, beach or mall.

Here are five tips for getting to your destination this summer

without getting scolded, grilled, detained or escorted off a plane.

Be discreet. " The No. 1 tip is the 'I wasn't raised in a barn' tip.

Whatever you wouldn't do in a church, don't do on a plane, " said

Shankman, founder of AirTroductions.com, a social-networking

site for air travelers. " If there's ever been a time in your life

where you don't want to attract more attention to yourself, it's on a

plane. "

Federal rules say that " no one may interfere, intimidate or threaten

a crewmember, " said Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman

Alison Duquette. " It's completely up to the pilot in command if they

want to not allow someone to take a flight. "

That means air crews have a lot of discretion in deciding what

constitutes disruptive behavior.

" From my experience, if a passenger's behavior is offensive to other

passengers on board, then the airline reserves the right to deny

boarding or to ask for the passenger to be removed, " said

Castelveter, spokesman for the Air Transport Association.

Cursing at a crewmember or drunken behavior can lead to hassles, but

so can a lot of other things. In May, a California man was convicted

of interfering with flight attendants and crewmembers in a case that

prosecutors said began when he became too affectionate with his

girlfriend on a flight to North Carolina.

The case last fall of a woman ordered off a flight in Vermont while

breast-feeding her baby resulted in protests in support of nursing

mothers at airports around the country. The airline involved later

said its policy does permit breast-feeding on planes. But Castelveter

said there is no industry-wide policy on the issue.

Prepare if you're traveling with small children. Tell them what to

expect on board. Use their car seat on the plane so they're not upset

by unfamiliar restraints. Bring snacks. " Bring along games and

coloring or connect-the-dots books, " said Joyce Gioia, who writes the

Herman Trend Alert, a business strategies newsletter. " My tactic was

to pack a brand new toy my child had never seen. "

In January, a family was kicked off a plane when their toddler threw

a tantrum and couldn't be strapped in for takeoff.

Control symptoms for coughs, colds and other illnesses. Bring

tissues; dispose of them in the airsickness bag. Bring a bottle of

water for a dry throat. (You are allowed to bring water onboard if

you buy it after going through security.)

" Keep your germs to yourself, " said Gioia. " If you have any kind of

an illness, cover your mouth when you cough and turn away to sneeze

or blow your nose. "

It's not just a matter of being polite. In March, a teenager on a

class trip from Hawaii was escorted off a plane taking her home from

New York after she had a coughing fit. In June, the U.S. Centers for

Disease Control was called in to evaluate passengers flying into

Miami with symptoms of gastrointestinal illness.

Castelveter said most carriers maintain links with ground-based

medical consultants to help evaluate sick passengers. Flight

attendants may ask if there is a doctor on board, and the CDC may be

called in as well.

Don't make jokes about terrorism. " Jokes and/or comments about

threats to passengers or the aircraft will be taken seriously, " the

Transportation Security Administration's " Summer Travel Tips "

brochure states.

" It's important that people not make those inappropriate remarks, "

said TSA spokesman White. " Any behavior, actions or

comments that could be construed as a threat to the aircraft or other

passengers would merit some kind of security response. "

A woman was detained by authorities in Malaysia after the crew

refused to let her children visit the cockpit during a flight and she

jokingly said, " My children cannot hijack the plane, but I can. "

Know the rules and plan ahead. At http://www.tsa.gov you'll find

detailed information on what is and isn't permitted in your carry-on.

" As I'm walking up to security, I do a kind of quick mental scan to

make sure I'm in compliance, " said Gioia. " Do I have on any jewelry

I'm going to need to take off or barrettes in my hair that will make

a system go off? "

" When you go through security, treat it like you've been pulled over

for speeding, " advised Brett Snyder, who writes an online column

about air travel at CrankyFlier.com. " Be polite, answer any

reasonable questions, and just keep thinking about being done with it

so you can move on with your life. "

If you inadvertently bring along a prohibited item, " you can leave

the checkpoint area and dispose of it or put it in your checked

baggage, " said White.

Politely acknowledging that you broke the rules by accident can help

resolve things quickly. " Don't believe it's a matter of these people

singling you out because there is something wrong with you, " said

Jerry Chandler, travel news blogger for Cheapflights.com.

Chandler recalled accidentally leaving a Swiss Army knife in his

backpack while traveling from Dallas to Birmingham, Ala. " What a

boneheaded thing to do, " he said. " They took it over to the

checkpoint mailer, " and it was sent back to him without a problem.

On June 11, a woman was stopped at Reagan Airport in Washington

because her toddler's sippy cup had water in it. She said she was

improperly detained and accidentally spilled the water. In response,

the TSA posted a video of the incident on its website which appears

to show the woman turning the cup upside-down and shaking the

contents onto the floor.

" The rules are the rules, " said Shankman. " They don't make the rules.

Screaming at the TSA agent and calling him an idiot is not going to

help. "

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This

material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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