Guest guest Posted August 19, 2001 Report Share Posted August 19, 2001 I dont know if this will help or not, but here is what I know about insulin. Insulin is released in response to sugars and it signals the body to store what is circulating in the bloodstream. The problem comes when people eat foods with too little nutrition or too many Calories. The reasons for this is when the food is not nutritious enough the body cannot proceed with its optimal metabolic processes and some of the processes cause the body to create excess oxidants. This is not good especially when your body is attempting to metabolize and store the rest of the food (which results in the production of more oxidants). It is hard to keep this optimal bodily composition because these nutrients are continually used up destroying these oxidants. This is why you want to control your peaks. Well, I don't know if any of that was relevent to what you wanted to know, but there it is. Non apetit, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Ann, I'm kinda new here and have not posted yet but your post on insulin was very good! I am a type 1, have been for 23 years. got it when I was 7yrs old. Anyway, I no longer get ketones much being on beef insulin has helped me there! actually I switched to beef in march and have only had them 1 time when very sick. But I used to get them opposite of what you say. I would get them when my blood sugar would drop very fast. Like it does when you are on synthetic insulins (humalog #8 in adverse events) Acctually low blood sugars are MUCH more dangerous than hi and so I tend now to go for the 100-180 range and would advise others to do so as well!!! What I was wondering is if you are on a low carb diet and if you have read the web site about Homo Optimus? http://www.newtreatments.org/ga.php3?linkid=461 He says to watch ketone levels when on low carb and that diabetics should stick with 50g carbs a day. Then if you get ketones to add 10g-15g for a few days then drop it again until your body gets used to burning fat instead of glucose. I just got his book and am looking forward to starting his diet. tried a recipe today that was good! I Have to get started! He is the first Dr. I have ever read that says in 90% of his cases he is able to cure type1's and 2's of diabetes. No other Dr. I know of claims this. So I am very excited to see if it works. Does anyone else have any experience with this Optimal Nutrition/Homo Optimus diet? I think ketoacidosis is a very big danger in the first few weeks of low carb dieting but that after your body has learned how to use fats properly in theory you should not have to take insulin and you would not develop diabetic ketones Message: 11 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:52:19 -0000 From: " annbekins " <annbekins@...> Subject: Re: Insulin and also Another Warrior Diet Report Ketoacidosis is definitely different from ketosis. Both have ketones in the urine, but in a diabetic, ketoacidosis is mainly a state of extremely high sugar in the blood over several days (like over 500 where 60-150 is normal -- some people even go up to 1000). In a Type II (adult onset) diabetic, they can have blood sugar as high as this, but won't usually have ketones. In a Type I (juvenile) diabetic, blood sugar over 240 is an alarm signal to check for ketones, for the ketones along with the high blood sugar are a sign of life- threatening ketoacidosis. Although I have insulin resistance and developed diabetes at 40, which are characteristic of Type II diabetes, the fact that I had to go on insulin in a little over a year, and that I do get ketones in my urine when my blood sugar is high made my doctor change my diagnosis to Type I (late onset). But it would be very unlikely to go into ketoacidosis through a low carb diet, even for a diabetic, because it's eating carbs that would make blood sugar rise so high. I suppose if a Type I diabetic totally refused to take any insulin at all for a long time, then perhaps eventually they could develop it on even a low carb diet, but that would be suicidal. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 > Ann, > I'm kinda new here and have not posted yet but your post on insulin was very> good! Thanks! > I am a type 1, have been for 23 years. got it when I was 7yrs old. Anyway, I> no longer get ketones much being on beef insulin has helped me there!> actually I switched to beef in march and have only had them 1 time when very> sick. I'm surprised you can still get beef insulin. I had heard that since the human analogs came out they no longer manufactured beef and pork insulins, which upset many diabetics who have much better control with the animal insulins. Or are you in Canada? > But I used to get them opposite of what you say. I would get them > when my blood sugar would drop very fast. Like it does when you are on> synthetic insulins (humalog #8 in adverse events) Huh. That doesn't seem to make sense, unless your blood sugar was crashing after a high, and the ketones were from the high. >Acctually low blood sugars > are MUCH more dangerous than hi and so I tend now to go for the 100- >180 range and would advise others to do so as well!!! Yes, although my primary care doctor (an internist, not a diabetes specialist) wants me to keep my bg very low, I think it's too dangerous -- what if you pass out while driving? My endocrinologist and diabetes educator tell me to keep the fasting bg at 100-150. Lows are more immediately dangerous, and ketoacidosis due to high blood sugar combined with ketones takes several days of lack of effective insulin to develop, although if neglected, it can be fatal. > What I was wondering is if you are on a low carb diet and if you have read > the web site about Homo Optimus? I try to keep my carbs around 30-40% of my diet, with 15% protein and the rest fat, so that's lower than the infamous Pyramid, but not really low carb. I don't feel well on a very low carb diet, but I don't think it's because of ketosis, I just feel better with more carbs. > He is the first Dr. I have ever> read that says in 90% of his cases he is able to cure type1's and 2's of> diabetes. No other Dr. I know of claims this. So I am very excited to see> if it works. Sorry to be negative, but no other doctor claims that because diabetes can't be cured. I looked at the website, but I am very suspicious of anyone who claims they can *cure* diabetes. It can be *managed*, sometimes so well that complications become very unlikely, but if you are Type I (as you and I are), you have NO insulin, and the only *cure* is a pancreas transplant. Even then you need to take anti-rejection drugs. > I think ketoacidosis is a very big danger in the first few weeks of low carb> dieting but that after your body has learned how to use fats properly in> theory you should not have to take insulin and you would not develop> diabetic ketones. Since ketoacidosis comes from several days of very high blood sugar combined with ketones, it should not be a danger on low carb, especially since you would be watching your blood sugar readings. The theory may sound reasonable, but you still need insulin to process even the small amount of carbs, plus the protein needs insulin to be processed. On a very low carb diet (less than 30 grams) I usually don't need rapid-acting insulin (Novolog), or very little, but I still have to take my long-acting background insulin (NPH or Lantus). , please be sure you don't stop taking insulin!! It's very dangerous for a Type I to try that. I know we are all so eager for a cure, but don't take any risks with your health. Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Ann, The good news is YES! you can get pork insulin still in the US. Most Dr's don't know this because the drug companies would rather you not know about it. And you can get the best!!!! Beef insulin by getting it thru CP pharma. Which just recently sold to someone else and I don't yet know the new name. I am in the US and all the synthetic insulin's gave me terrible side effects! Anyway, email me privately if you would like to know more about the insulin! http://www.diabetictypeone.org/index.html Margie is fantastic! And can also help you out. It's sad that most people do not know how to get the good insulin and are dying on the synthetic stuff. enough said! Can't explain my ketone issues. They don't make sense to my doc. either! But thankfully I don't live like that anymore! It's interesting that you don't feel well on less than 30% - 40% carbs. I have never tried low carbs so will just have to see how it goes! But I do feel like my body is craving the good fats right now. So this could be why I want to try the higher fat diet. I have found this list to be very informative and helpful in the past month that I have been reading! Thanks to everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 1. Your pharmacist can tell you by getting the package insert with the complete formulation. 2. Try a very low carbohydrate, no sweet stuff diet. This includes no artificial sweeteners. 3. Supplemental chromium, vanadium, and bilberry extract (in modest amounts since you are pregnant) may help, and supplementary biotin is very likely to do so. Take them 3-4 times a day. The baby will be big and most likely they'll want a cesarian delivery. The earlier you think about what you want and put the doc on the spot for how to do that, the more likely you are to get it or to realize you have to switch doctors in order to do so. Andy . . . . . . > Hi all, I'm about 7 months pregnant with baby #2. (DS #1 has been > diagnosed with PDD-NOS.) I've been diagnosed with gestational > diabetes during this pregnancy and diet alone isn't keeping my blood > sugars in line, so I have to take insulin. Does anybody know if > there is any nasty stuff (like thimerosal) in insulin? Gosh, I hope > not. > > Kathy Heilmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Consider following this diet for the remainder of your pregnancy http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/ > Hi all, I'm about 7 months pregnant with baby #2. (DS #1 has been > diagnosed with PDD-NOS.) I've been diagnosed with gestational > diabetes during this pregnancy and diet alone isn't keeping my blood > sugars in line, so I have to take insulin. Does anybody know if > there is any nasty stuff (like thimerosal) in insulin? Gosh, I hope > not. > > Kathy Heilmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 You and your baby will do a lot better eating the way the Weston Price Foundation people suggest, or as is described in The Schwartzbein Principle (which specifically discusses diabetes), or even the " south beach " diet than what this guy says. Very specifically do NOT NOT NOT do a low fat diet! Growing babies actually need a lot of fat and of essential fatty acids, even if you think you don't. Also do take some reasonable nutritonal supplement, not just the " prenatal vitamins " the doc's like. E. g. 1-2 tablets or capsules of life extension mix with meals and at bedtime with a bedtime snack. Andy . . . .. . . > Consider following this diet for the remainder of your pregnancy > http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/ > > > > Hi all, I'm about 7 months pregnant with baby #2. (DS #1 has been > > diagnosed with PDD-NOS.) I've been diagnosed with gestational > > diabetes during this pregnancy and diet alone isn't keeping my blood > > sugars in line, so I have to take insulin. Does anybody know if > > there is any nasty stuff (like thimerosal) in insulin? Gosh, I hope > > not. > > > > Kathy Heilmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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