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I dont know if this will help or not, but here is what I know about

insulin. Insulin is released in response to sugars and it signals

the body to store what is circulating in the bloodstream. The

problem comes when people eat foods with too little nutrition or too

many Calories. The reasons for this is when the food is not

nutritious enough the body cannot proceed with its optimal metabolic

processes and some of the processes cause the body to create excess

oxidants. This is not good especially when your body is attempting

to metabolize and store the rest of the food (which results in the

production of more oxidants).

It is hard to keep this optimal bodily composition because these

nutrients are continually used up destroying these oxidants. This is

why you want to control your peaks.

Well, I don't know if any of that was relevent to what you wanted to

know, but there it is.

Non apetit,

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Ann,

I'm kinda new here and have not posted yet but your post on insulin was very

good!

I am a type 1, have been for 23 years. got it when I was 7yrs old. Anyway, I

no longer get ketones much being on beef insulin has helped me there!

actually I switched to beef in march and have only had them 1 time when very

sick. But I used to get them opposite of what you say. I would get them

when my blood sugar would drop very fast. Like it does when you are on

synthetic insulins (humalog #8 in adverse events) Acctually low blood sugars

are MUCH more dangerous than hi and so I tend now to go for the 100-180

range and would advise others to do so as well!!!

What I was wondering is if you are on a low carb diet and if you have read

the web site about Homo Optimus?

http://www.newtreatments.org/ga.php3?linkid=461 He says to watch ketone

levels when on low carb and that diabetics should stick with 50g carbs a

day. Then if you get ketones to add 10g-15g for a few days then drop it

again until your body gets used to burning fat instead of glucose. I just

got his book and am looking forward to starting his diet. tried a recipe

today that was good! I Have to get started! He is the first Dr. I have ever

read that says in 90% of his cases he is able to cure type1's and 2's of

diabetes. No other Dr. I know of claims this. So I am very excited to see

if it works.

Does anyone else have any experience with this Optimal Nutrition/Homo

Optimus diet?

I think ketoacidosis is a very big danger in the first few weeks of low carb

dieting but that after your body has learned how to use fats properly in

theory you should not have to take insulin and you would not develop

diabetic ketones

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:52:19 -0000

From: " annbekins " <annbekins@...>

Subject: Re: Insulin and also Another Warrior Diet Report

Ketoacidosis is definitely different from ketosis. Both have ketones

in the urine, but in a diabetic, ketoacidosis is mainly a state of

extremely high sugar in the blood over several days (like over 500

where 60-150 is normal -- some people even go up to 1000). In a Type

II (adult onset) diabetic, they can have blood sugar as high as this,

but won't usually have ketones. In a Type I (juvenile) diabetic,

blood sugar over 240 is an alarm signal to check for ketones, for the

ketones along with the high blood sugar are a sign of life-

threatening ketoacidosis.

Although I have insulin resistance and developed diabetes at 40,

which are characteristic of Type II diabetes, the fact that I had to

go on insulin in a little over a year, and that I do get ketones in

my urine when my blood sugar is high made my doctor change my

diagnosis to Type I (late onset). But it would be very unlikely to

go into ketoacidosis through a low carb diet, even for a diabetic,

because it's eating carbs that would make blood sugar rise so high.

I suppose if a Type I diabetic totally refused to take any insulin at

all for a long time, then perhaps eventually they could develop it on

even a low carb diet, but that would be suicidal.

Ann

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> Ann,

> I'm kinda new here and have not posted yet but your post on insulin

was very> good!

Thanks!

> I am a type 1, have been for 23 years. got it when I was 7yrs old.

Anyway, I> no longer get ketones much being on beef insulin has

helped me there!> actually I switched to beef in march and have only

had them 1 time when very> sick.

I'm surprised you can still get beef insulin. I had heard that since

the human analogs came out they no longer manufactured beef and pork

insulins, which upset many diabetics who have much better control

with the animal insulins. Or are you in Canada?

> But I used to get them opposite of what you say. I would get them

> when my blood sugar would drop very fast. Like it does when you are

on> synthetic insulins (humalog #8 in adverse events)

Huh. That doesn't seem to make sense, unless your blood sugar was

crashing after a high, and the ketones were from the high.

>Acctually low blood sugars

> are MUCH more dangerous than hi and so I tend now to go for the 100-

>180 range and would advise others to do so as well!!!

Yes, although my primary care doctor (an internist, not a diabetes

specialist) wants me to keep my bg very low, I think it's too

dangerous -- what if you pass out while driving? My endocrinologist

and diabetes educator tell me to keep the fasting bg at 100-150.

Lows are more immediately dangerous, and ketoacidosis due to high

blood sugar combined with ketones takes several days of lack of

effective insulin to develop, although if neglected, it can be fatal.

> What I was wondering is if you are on a low carb diet and if you

have read

> the web site about Homo Optimus?

I try to keep my carbs around 30-40% of my diet, with 15% protein and

the rest fat, so that's lower than the infamous Pyramid, but not

really low carb.

I don't feel well on a very low carb diet, but I don't think it's

because of ketosis, I just feel better with more carbs.

> He is the first Dr. I have ever> read that says in 90% of his cases

he is able to cure type1's and 2's of> diabetes. No other Dr. I know

of claims this. So I am very excited to see> if it works.

Sorry to be negative, but no other doctor claims that because

diabetes can't be cured. I looked at the website, but I am very

suspicious of anyone who claims they can *cure* diabetes. It can be

*managed*, sometimes so well that complications become very unlikely,

but if you are Type I (as you and I are), you have NO insulin, and

the only *cure* is a pancreas transplant. Even then you need to take

anti-rejection drugs.

> I think ketoacidosis is a very big danger in the first few weeks of

low carb> dieting but that after your body has learned how to use

fats properly in> theory you should not have to take insulin and you

would not develop> diabetic ketones.

Since ketoacidosis comes from several days of very high blood sugar

combined with ketones, it should not be a danger on low carb,

especially since you would be watching your blood sugar readings.

The theory may sound reasonable, but you still need insulin to

process even the small amount of carbs, plus the protein needs

insulin to be processed. On a very low carb diet (less than 30 grams)

I usually don't need rapid-acting insulin (Novolog), or very little,

but I still have to take my long-acting background insulin (NPH or

Lantus).

, please be sure you don't stop taking insulin!! It's very

dangerous for a Type I to try that. I know we are all so eager for a

cure, but don't take any risks with your health.

Ann

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Ann, The good news is YES! you can get pork insulin still in the US. Most

Dr's don't know this because the drug companies would rather you not know

about it. And you can get the best!!!! Beef insulin by getting it thru CP

pharma. Which just recently sold to someone else and I don't yet know the

new name. I am in the US and all the synthetic insulin's gave me terrible

side effects! Anyway, email me privately if you would like to know more

about the insulin! http://www.diabetictypeone.org/index.html Margie is

fantastic! And can also help you out. It's sad that most people do not know

how to get the good insulin and are dying on the synthetic stuff. enough

said!

Can't explain my ketone issues. They don't make sense to my doc. either!

But thankfully I don't live like that anymore!

It's interesting that you don't feel well on less than 30% - 40% carbs. I

have never tried low carbs so will just have to see how it goes! But I do

feel like my body is craving the good fats right now. So this could be why I

want to try the higher fat diet. I have found this list to be very

informative and helpful in the past month that I have been reading! Thanks

to everyone!

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1. Your pharmacist can tell you by getting the package insert with the

complete formulation.

2. Try a very low carbohydrate, no sweet stuff diet. This includes no

artificial sweeteners.

3. Supplemental chromium, vanadium, and bilberry extract (in modest

amounts since you are pregnant) may help, and supplementary biotin is

very likely to do so. Take them 3-4 times a day.

The baby will be big and most likely they'll want a cesarian delivery.

The earlier you think about what you want and put the doc on the spot

for how to do that, the more likely you are to get it or to realize you

have to switch doctors in order to do so.

Andy . . . . . .

> Hi all, I'm about 7 months pregnant with baby #2. (DS #1 has been

> diagnosed with PDD-NOS.) I've been diagnosed with gestational

> diabetes during this pregnancy and diet alone isn't keeping my blood

> sugars in line, so I have to take insulin. Does anybody know if

> there is any nasty stuff (like thimerosal) in insulin? Gosh, I hope

> not.

>

> Kathy Heilmann

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Consider following this diet for the remainder of your pregnancy

http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/

> Hi all, I'm about 7 months pregnant with baby #2. (DS #1 has been

> diagnosed with PDD-NOS.) I've been diagnosed with gestational

> diabetes during this pregnancy and diet alone isn't keeping my blood

> sugars in line, so I have to take insulin. Does anybody know if

> there is any nasty stuff (like thimerosal) in insulin? Gosh, I hope

> not.

>

> Kathy Heilmann

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You and your baby will do a lot better eating the way the Weston Price

Foundation people suggest, or as is described in The Schwartzbein

Principle (which specifically discusses diabetes), or even the " south

beach " diet than what this guy says.

Very specifically do NOT NOT NOT do a low fat diet! Growing babies

actually need a lot of fat and of essential fatty acids, even if you

think you don't.

Also do take some reasonable nutritonal supplement, not just the

" prenatal vitamins " the doc's like. E. g. 1-2 tablets or capsules of

life extension mix with meals and at bedtime with a bedtime snack.

Andy . . . .. . .

> Consider following this diet for the remainder of your pregnancy

> http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/

>

>

> > Hi all, I'm about 7 months pregnant with baby #2. (DS #1 has been

> > diagnosed with PDD-NOS.) I've been diagnosed with gestational

> > diabetes during this pregnancy and diet alone isn't keeping my blood

> > sugars in line, so I have to take insulin. Does anybody know if

> > there is any nasty stuff (like thimerosal) in insulin? Gosh, I hope

> > not.

> >

> > Kathy Heilmann

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