Guest guest Posted July 27, 2001 Report Share Posted July 27, 2001 > From: waterboy@... > You can find these meal > replacement bars at any health store or in the pharmaceutical or > produce section of your supermarket. > These are generally made of whey protein. Thanks, everybody, for your suggestions. I guess I'll just have to look harder. The ones I've found so far at the health food store are soy protein based. Someone asked why I'm giving up carbs. Well, I can't get rid of all carbs -- I'm reducing carbs is probably what I should have said. Flatten insulin spikes. I've been an insulin junkie for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Hi . I have been into bodybuilding and fitness for about half my life (I am now 37). I've been practicing CRON for roughly 1.5 years. I'm 5'8 " and about 137 pounds. Before I started CRON, I was 25-30 pounds heavier. I have lost lots of fat, but I certainly have lost muscle too. My strength is down for sure, but I look good. My bodyfat is lower than ever and so I have that 'ripped' look that I never used to have. I do consume some soy protein isolate, which like whey protein, has the supposed ideal 1.0 protein rating. I noticed that you are using creatine monohydrate, which will artificially keep up your muscle size and strength. If you doubt this, try completely eliminating it for a couple of months. I have never used that supplement myself, but it is one of the few bodybuilding supplements that can have very significant effects, as I had seen with a couple friends of mine that are not on CR. -Dave > > Here's my second question. One reason, I think, that I have been able to retain muscle mass even while consuming only 2K calories per day is that I get a lot of protein, most of it from whey protein powder (the kind with no hydrogenated fats, almost no sugar, and balanced amino acid profile). Most of the rest of my protein comes from fish (usually salmon, 4-5 oz.). Would list members consider whey protein a high-quality, nutrient dense food? I have to admit that every time I open up the jar of the stuff, it strikes me as a kind of ultimate synthetic food. But it's extremely convenient. I have it for breakfast with soy milk, a banana, five grams creatine, and a quarter teaspoon of glucosamine. > > Thanks. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Hi : What is the reason you take glucosamine? Do you or family members have a history of arthritis? Or is there a muscle mass reason for this? I understood from a post here a couple of years ago that one would not want to take glucosamine unless there was a very compelling reason to do so. But I have no specific information about this myself. A search of the archives prior to 2006 would almost certainly find the post. Glucosamine is not often mentioned here. Rodney. > > Here's my second question. One reason, I think, that I have been able to retain muscle mass even while consuming only 2K calories per day is that I get a lot of protein, most of it from whey protein powder (the kind with no hydrogenated fats, almost no sugar, and balanced amino acid profile). Most of the rest of my protein comes from fish (usually salmon, 4-5 oz.). Would list members consider whey protein a high-quality, nutrient dense food? I have to admit that every time I open up the jar of the stuff, it strikes me as a kind of ultimate synthetic food. But it's extremely convenient. I have it for breakfast with soy milk, a banana, five grams creatine, and a quarter teaspoon of glucosamine. > > Thanks. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Hi : It was post 22349, I believe, by Todd Sprenkle. Here it is: Re: Weight loss issues vs. CR issues Rodney wrote: >Nevertheless if we are sure there are no side effects to glucosamine [...] Some have suggested best not to take glucosamine unless you have a known arthritis problem, since there have been indications that glucosamine might cause insulin resistance. The abstract below is one recent example obtained from PubMed by searching on glucosamine AND insulin. Thanks, Todd Diabetologia. 2005 Oct;48(10):2131-9. Acute glucosamine-induced insulin resistance in muscle in vivo is associated with impaired capillary recruitment. Wallis MG, ME, Kolka CM, Zhang L, s SM, Rattigan S, MG. Biochemistry, School of Medicine, University of Tasmania, Private Bag 58, Hobart, Tasmania 7001, Australia. <snip> CONCLUSION/INTERPRETATION: Glucosamine mediates a major impairment of insulin action in muscle vasculature associated with the insulin resistance of muscle. Further studies will be required to assess whether the impaired capillary recruitment contributes to insulin resistance. PMID: 16059714 Rodney. > > > > Here's my second question. One reason, I think, that I have been > able to retain muscle mass even while consuming only 2K calories per > day is that I get a lot of protein, most of it from whey protein > powder (the kind with no hydrogenated fats, almost no sugar, and > balanced amino acid profile). Most of the rest of my protein comes > from fish (usually salmon, 4-5 oz.). Would list members consider whey > protein a high-quality, nutrient dense food? I have to admit that > every time I open up the jar of the stuff, it strikes me as a kind of > ultimate synthetic food. But it's extremely convenient. I have it for > breakfast with soy milk, a banana, five grams creatine, and a quarter > teaspoon of glucosamine. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > today! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Thank you. I do indeed notice results from the creatine. How many calories a day are you consuming? Nahtan orb85750 <orb85750@...> wrote: Hi . I have been into bodybuilding and fitness for about half my life (I am now 37). I've been practicing CRON for roughly 1.5 years. I'm 5'8" and about 137 pounds. Before I started CRON, I was 25-30 pounds heavier. I have lost lots of fat, but I certainly have lost muscle too. My strength is down for sure, but I look good. My bodyfat is lower than ever and so I have that 'ripped' look that I never used to have. I do consume some soy protein isolate, which like whey protein, has the supposed ideal 1.0 protein rating. I noticed that you are using creatine monohydrate, which will artificially keep up your muscle size and strength. If you doubt this, try completely eliminating it for a couple of months. I have never used that supplement myself, but it is one of the few bodybuilding supplements that can have very significant effects, as I had seen with a couple friends of mine that are not on CR. -Dave > > Here's my second question. One reason, I think, that I have been able to retain muscle mass even while consuming only 2K calories per day is that I get a lot of protein, most of it from whey protein powder (the kind with no hydrogenated fats, almost no sugar, and balanced amino acid profile). Most of the rest of my protein comes from fish (usually salmon, 4-5 oz.). Would list members consider whey protein a high-quality, nutrient dense food? I have to admit that every time I open up the jar of the stuff, it strikes me as a kind of ultimate synthetic food. But it's extremely convenient. I have it for breakfast with soy milk, a banana, five grams creatine, and a quarter teaspoon of glucosamine. > > Thanks. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 I was taking it as prevention, but it seems that maybe I should stop. I am rather anxious about arthritis. There is some in my family, and I have had enough spinal problems over the years to know that when your bones go, you're next. I should have done more research on this supplement before adding it to my diet. Rodney <perspect1111@...> wrote: Hi : It was post 22349, I believe, by Todd Sprenkle. Here it is: Re: Weight loss issues vs. CR issues Rodney wrote: >Nevertheless if we are sure there are no side effects to glucosamine [...] Some have suggested best not to take glucosamine unless you have a known arthritis problem, since there have been indications that glucosamine might cause insulin resistance. The abstract below is one recent example obtained from PubMed by searching on glucosamine AND insulin. Thanks, Todd Diabetologia. 2005 Oct;48(10):2131-9. Acute glucosamine-induced insulin resistance in muscle in vivo is associated with impaired capillary recruitment. Wallis MG, ME, Kolka CM, Zhang L, s SM, Rattigan S, MG. Biochemistry, School of Medicine, University of Tasmania, Private Bag 58, Hobart, Tasmania 7001, Australia. <snip> CONCLUSION/INTERPRETATION: Glucosamine mediates a major impairment of insulin action in muscle vasculature associated with the insulin resistance of muscle. Further studies will be required to assess whether the impaired capillary recruitment contributes to insulin resistance. PMID: 16059714 Rodney. > > > > Here's my second question. One reason, I think, that I have been > able to retain muscle mass even while consuming only 2K calories per > day is that I get a lot of protein, most of it from whey protein > powder (the kind with no hydrogenated fats, almost no sugar, and > balanced amino acid profile). Most of the rest of my protein comes > from fish (usually salmon, 4-5 oz.). Would list members consider whey > protein a high-quality, nutrient dense food? I have to admit that > every time I open up the jar of the stuff, it strikes me as a kind of > ultimate synthetic food. But it's extremely convenient. I have it for > breakfast with soy milk, a banana, five grams creatine, and a quarter > teaspoon of glucosamine. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > today! > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 I'm taking in 1700-1800 calories per day, which seems to be just right for me. (Of course, those CRONies that don't exercise can take in less.) I like to eat 5 small meals per day, and my schedule allows me to do so. I find that I need to eat first thing in the morning (always hungry then) and also near bedtime, so that I don't wake up hungry in the middle of the night! -Dave > > > > Here's my second question. One reason, I think, that I have been > able to retain muscle mass even while consuming only 2K calories per > day is that I get a lot of protein, most of it from whey protein > powder (the kind with no hydrogenated fats, almost no sugar, and > balanced amino acid profile). Most of the rest of my protein comes > from fish (usually salmon, 4-5 oz.). Would list members consider whey > protein a high-quality, nutrient dense food? I have to admit that > every time I open up the jar of the stuff, it strikes me as a kind of > ultimate synthetic food. But it's extremely convenient. I have it for > breakfast with soy milk, a banana, five grams creatine, and a quarter > teaspoon of glucosamine. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > today! > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 : Have you considered possible (unknown) health implications of very long term creatine use? The issue is that this bodybuilding supplement *does* work. That is, it has significant biological effects -- precisely why it is psychologically addictive for bodybuilders. It's difficult for most bodybuilders to discontinue the use of a supplement that increases muscle mass, and this is one that devotees will continue to use daily for many years (or even decades). I am not aware that there are any very long term studies on its use -- it probably has not been in use long enough for such studies to have been completed. Have you investigated this issue at all? -Dave > > > > Here's my second question. One reason, I think, that I have been > able to retain muscle mass even while consuming only 2K calories per > day is that I get a lot of protein, most of it from whey protein > powder (the kind with no hydrogenated fats, almost no sugar, and > balanced amino acid profile). Most of the rest of my protein comes > from fish (usually salmon, 4-5 oz.). Would list members consider whey > protein a high-quality, nutrient dense food? I have to admit that > every time I open up the jar of the stuff, it strikes me as a kind of > ultimate synthetic food. But it's extremely convenient. I have it for > breakfast with soy milk, a banana, five grams creatine, and a quarter > teaspoon of glucosamine. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > today! > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Search. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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