Janice...Re:Liquid Carnosine Plus::anyone used this

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Janice, first I want to say that I know my response is long, but I

have been praying for an answer to my son's problem. So, I really

and truly appreciate you looking at my son's issues and giving your

advice.

He is attracted to children younger than and older than he is. When

he is around younger ones, he is playing and trying to help them and

then watching them to see their reactions to things. Kind of creepy

in a way. I tell him to leave them alone because I think their

parents will think something funny of it. Even younger children

will get annoyed by him after a while. If my younger son is

crying/fussing about something, he will hit him because he doesn't

like him doing that and wants him to stop.

I don't know about auditory processing, but he has vestibular and

propriceptive problems, strabismus, reflexes immature, and I'm

currently waiting for the recent language and OT evaluations. I

know he has done poorly on them though. He has tested poorly on the

SIPT test as well. He has been in speech and OT for two years and I

can hardly say that anything has changed much. I came to this

website from the Autism/Mercury group for other reasons, so I'm not

too sure what is involved in dyspraxia. I need to do some

research. Can you recommend a good website to learn about this?

I would say that my 6yo has passed the 8yo in maturity and I have

more complete conversations with the 6yo. A " little kid " probably

is a good example of what my son's classmates think of him. They

call him names and say ugly things to him and he can't remember what

they say. I think he doesn't understand " what " they are saying to

him and that's why he can't tell me what they are saying.

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> - show an inability to follow directions? ie. if you send him

upstairs to get his socks, a hairbrush and some other random

item..... would you go upstairs to find him walking in circles

trying to remember what to do next?

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Yes, if I told him to go put his clothes on, he would go lay down on

the bed and act just like I have not told him anything to do. Other

times he will do part of it, but usually not. If he wants to do

something, he will get done what needed to be done in order to do

it. Multiple tasks do not work for him, unless it is a routine

thing, like in the morning I make him jump on the trampoline and

then swing before school. I usually have to tell him to jump and

then swing. Once in a while he will jump and then go swing without

me reminding him of each step.

> - can he tell a story with a beginning, a middle and an end or

does he get lost 1/2 way through and ramble around in thoughtless

circles?

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Yes, he gets lost! Repeats parts. If I ask he questions or to

repeat something, he will say " never mind " .

> - does he say " What? " or " Huh? " all of the time?

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Yes. Sometimes I keep answering him, not realizing that he has to

have heard me the first couple of times.

> - does he have trouble talking on the phone?

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He doesn't ever try to answer the phone. I can try to get him to

call a friend and find out what he has missed on his homework and he

won't do it. He doesn't know how to carry a conversation with

someone on the phone. A few " friends " have called and usually don't

call back because he can't carry a conversation with them or asks

them over and over to come over to their house and play.

> So..... Have I 'GOT' him? Is this what your son is like?

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> All of the above are indicative of auditory processing issues

related to short term memory. We used digit spans to fix this in

Mark. It took us about 8 months of digit spans 4 times daily at 2-4

minutes (2 minutes of auditory forward and 2 minutes of auditory

reverse) per session to normalize this neural pathway.

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Could you tell me more about digit spans and where to get info on

this.

The teacher has told me that he loves the recordings that she plays

of the story when she introduces the new story for the week.

> Soooooo lets talk a little about Auditory Tonal Processing....

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> Does your son..... have trouble regulating his pitch? ie. talk

too loudly or too softly at inappropriate times? leave off the

consonents of words?

He talks like he has a lot of excitement and inflection. I try to

not add to this, but turn down my tone with him. He uses his eyes

when talking, if you know what I mean. He is loud sometimes, but

when I'm trying to talk to him in the van (he's in the back), he

will not talk loud enough no matter how many times I tell him I

can't hear him. I usually have to yell at him to get him to talk

louder, and then it's only brief. It's like he's only yelling back

at me in response.

I can't say he leaves off consonants.

>>'possible' problem of congestion in his ears. I would make sure

that he is not experiencing fluid in his ears,

He never had problems with his ears when younger, but failed the

newborn hearing test at the hospital, but later passed it. He has

had a lot of problems with enlarged tonsils and adenoids since he

was around 2.

>at NACD, they recommend that kids with auditory processing issues

try an milk free diet to see if there is a possible intorlerance.

Milk doesn't seem to suit him. He seems to get strep when he drinks

milk. We use Rice Dream and limit cheese, but he does get milk in

other things like processed foods.

Hope I didn't put you to sleep, but I really do thank you.

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> Sorry not going to answer your question on carnosine BUT.... I am

reading your post and feeling for your child.... because we have

been there and life is pretty lonely without friendships. Think

about having him play with younger kids for a while and see 'where'

he might fit in as an immediate relief to his lack of social

happiness.

> This is my opinion without meeting your son or seeing him

whatsoever.... thus..... it could be flawed.... but given your

description of your boy, he sounds just like my boy!

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> I suspect that your son has auditory processing issues and

auditiory short term memory issues that is impacting his social

awareness outside of dyspraxia. My son processed at a level of a 5

year old at age 11; once we got his levels up to normal, he was able

to engage in friendships on a normal level even though his speech

was still flawed. Kids were able to ignore his flawed speech but

they were not able to ignore the fact that he never seemed to

understand the ebb and flow of conversation and was like a little

kid. We fixed it and my sons social life made a 180 degree U-turn.

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> Improving auditory processing or visual processing can be a life

changing event. Basicly, it was no wonder other kids shunned him

for he was a little kid to them and that was where his function

would have stayed had we not worked this issue. It is

an " important " part of the puzzle piece to fix and I need to

remember to tell parents about it. We fixed it in Mark last

year..... so I tend to forget to ALERT parents..... it is critical

for once stalled, requires therapy to fix and the therapy costs

nothing to do but it is boring and you must do it daily for it to

work!

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> So.... let me ask you some questions.....

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> Does he:

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> - show an inability to follow directions? ie. if you send him

upstairs to get his socks, a hairbrush and some other random

item..... would you go upstairs to find him walking in circles

trying to remember what to do next?

>

> - can he tell a story with a beginning, a middle and an end or

does he get lost 1/2 way through and ramble around in thoughtless

circles?

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> - does he say " What? " or " Huh? " all of the time?

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> - does he have trouble talking on the phone?

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> So..... Have I 'GOT' him? Is this what your son is like?

>

> All of the above are indicative of auditory processing issues

related to short term memory. We used digit spans to fix this in

Mark. It took us about 8 months of digit spans 4 times daily at 2-4

minutes (2 minutes of auditory forward and 2 minutes of auditory

reverse) per session to normalize this neural pathway.

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> Another method to work this is to turn off the TV and to listen to

books on tape. Someone suggested that The Shadow series radio show

of our parents era as being great for this since it includes all of

the sound effects for our kids to listen to and open up their

auditory pathways.

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> Soooooo lets talk a little about Auditory Tonal Processing....

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> Does your son..... have trouble regulating his pitch? ie. talk

too loudly or too softly at inappropriate times? leave off the

consonents of words? If so, then I would suspect auditory tonal

processing issues and a 'possible' problem of congestion in his

ears. I would make sure that he is not experiencing fluid in his

ears, look into The Listening Program or another method of Auditory

Integration Therapy and consider a casien free diet. I know that at

NACD, they recommend that kids with auditory processing issues try

an milk free diet to see if there is a possible intorlerance. While

disagrees with a special diet.... it is worth trying a 3 week

elimination trial as it has proven successful for many of our

children with APD problems. Not ALL but many of these kids have an

environmental problem going on with their ears and believe me.....

if milk is a problem for you.... it is a HUGE piece of the dyspraxia

puzzle! If not, you check it off the list and move on to the next

causitive factors that could be affecting your child.

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> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

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> My son (8yo) has some problems socializing with others his age.

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> doesn't know how to " talk their talk " , and usually says

something off

> topic or nothing at all. Or, he'll make yelling sounds when

someone

> is asking/telling him something that he doesn't like, such

as, " stop

> that " or " go wash your hands " or " whoa " . You have to be nice to

him.

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> He's rather immature than the others in his class and of course

they

> shun him. He knows they do this and say that their not his

friends.

> Actually, he has no friends.

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> His doctor thinks that Liquid Carnosine Plus might help him.

I've

> emailed Autism Coach to ask some questions about the products I

want

> to buy, but no one will call me back.

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> Does anyone know if it can be taken at night because I think it

has

> juice in it and that will interact with his Adderall if taken in

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> morning?

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> Blessings.

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