RE: multi vitamin in a plastic jug?

[Guest guest]

Elena,

I use to use that Liquid Health Children's Multi with a purple label,

but read on the label that it had a bunch of trace minerals in it

including lead, titanium and mercury, and wrote them saying what's up,

and they never responded... so I switched to Kirkman Labs Super Nu Thera.

Still think I may or must have somehow misinterpreted, but didn't want

to take the chance, and find Kirkman Lab customer service responsive.

Nadine

[Guest guest]

Thank you Nadine, I will take a look.  I am reluctant to use any vitamins that

are not food based and are synthetic.  Apparently our bodies can't be fooled and

most of it is a waste at best, potentially harmful as it overloads the kidneys

and liver with stuff they have to then excrete out unused and also depletes the

body's own resources in an attempt to absorb some of the things in there which

are incomplete, as all synthetic--petroleum based chemicals are incomplete and

their molecular structure is different, spins in the other direction. The body

knows, even if the people in white coats swear it;s the same--it never is. Some

vitamins are OK, they work even if not complete, but others are a strain on the

body.. 

So that's been my reservation about Kirkman labs, it's all synthetic--yes pure

and anti allergenic and all that, but synthetically produced.  Tough decision.

I'll investigate the Liquid Health ingredients as you said. Thank you very much

for the warning. Gosh, it's so hard to find anything that doesn't have drawbacks

for these kids. Thanks again.

-Elena.

From: nadineck <nadineck@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: multi vitamin in a plastic jug?

Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 3:41 PM

Elena,

I use to use that Liquid Health Children's Multi with a purple label,

but read on the label that it had a bunch of trace minerals in it

including lead, titanium and mercury, and wrote them saying what's up,

and they never responded... so I switched to Kirkman Labs Super Nu Thera.

Still think I may or must have somehow misinterpreted, but didn't want

to take the chance, and find Kirkman Lab customer service responsive.

Nadine

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[Guest guest]

Well they're the same as the dangers of anything liquid being in plastic---it

leeches harmful chemicals into the liquids, even in water, but even more so in

anything acidic.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/06/21/chemicals-children\

..aspx

http://www.chemicalbodyburden.org/cs_phthalate.htm

http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewScience/oncompounds/phthalates/phthalates.htm#\

health

http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Plasticizers/phthalates.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2005/may/30/food.foodanddrink

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2005/04/27/plastics.aspx

I've been looking for glass gallon jugs for my water for a while now, but they

just don't make them any more. 

Plastic is not the inert substance it was once thought to be.  Nothing ever is,

but plastic in particular is harmful and it is everywhere unfortunately, much of

it in our breasts, in our newborns and everywhere, that's why I avoid it

whenever i can and was disappointed that I finally found a multivitamin that I

liked --food based, non-allergenic--no what/corn/soy/casein etc --but in

plastic!!!-Ughh!!!-

of course, now I understand their ingredients may be contaminated too, but I'll

need to check into that. Hope this helps..

Elena

From: Ann and Lester <jmlester04@...>

Subject: [ ] multi vitamin in a plastic jug?

Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 9:28 AM

Elena, I am missing something. What are the dangers of the multi vitamin

being in a plastic jug?

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From:

[mailto: ]On Behalf Of Elena Danaila

Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:24 AM

The only thing I don't like about Ziana's current Liquid Health multi

vitamin is that it comes in a plastic jug. Can't imagine what they were

thinking, but would sure like to find a replacement for that reason, I just

want a whole food based, non-allergenic product and I've not found any

other

than this one in the plastic bottle. I've even called them up and asked

them

what they were thinking, and they told me it hasn't come up yet. As if

that's a good enough reason. Anyway, thank you.

Elena

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[Guest guest]

Kirkman and all the cos will tell you trace lead is in the calcium.

Also, Kirkman's vitamins are synthetic so if that is a concern you have

it there.

>

> Elena,

>

> I use to use that Liquid Health Children's Multi with a purple label,

> but read on the label that it had a bunch of trace minerals in it

> including lead, titanium and mercury, and wrote them saying what's up,

> and they never responded... so I switched to Kirkman Labs Super Nu

Thera.

>

> Still think I may or must have somehow misinterpreted, but didn't want

> to take the chance, and find Kirkman Lab customer service responsive.

>

> Nadine

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Elena... I was also attracted to Liquid Health for its natural

sources, but my knowledge base is far less sophisticated than yours. You are

a wealth of information.

Please let me know what you decide about those trace elements on the back

label.

Nadine

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ann and Lester <jmlester04@...

> wrote:

> Elena, I am missing something. What are the dangers of the multi vitamin

> being in a plastic jug?

>

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> Behalf Of Elena Danaila

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> The only thing I don't like about Ziana's current Liquid Health multi

> vitamin is that it comes in a plastic jug. Can't imagine what they were

> thinking, but would sure like to find a replacement for that reason, I just

> want a whole food based, non-allergenic product and I've not found any

> other

> than this one in the plastic bottle. I've even called them up and asked

> them

> what they were thinking, and they told me it hasn't come up yet. As if

> that's a good enough reason. Anyway, thank you.

> Elena

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nadine,

Good for you to have caught that in the fine print.  Most people just read the

things they are looking for and expect to find--myself included this time-- and

skip over all that trace mineral stuff, but it is worth a read, and at the very

least understanding what it is about.

So I just got off the phone with the Liquid Health CS rep. and here's what they

say: these are actually in parts per million, very minute trace amounts, all

trace minerals " naturally " occurring in the sea algae they use for their

products > some of this is actually found in just about everything alive on the

planet and most likely in every food based vitamin there is to a certain degree.

Petroleum based /synthetic vitamins can claim " purity " because they start out

with pure petroleum and it doesn't get any worse or better, but the natural food

based vitamins have this to deal with and are required by law to disclose it

since they know it is there, as it is in everything else plant, vegetable

breathing creature.

So it is also in every bite of food, especially sea food we eat. There may be

other natural vitamin products with less of it, but I think you will find that a

lot of the time they use a different base like corn /soy other grains to extract

their vitamins and minerals so for those of us trying to avoid grains, sea

vegetables are the only other option and they may come with higher trace mineral

amounts.  This is what we have to understand.

You were right to take note, but I guess there is no perfect product out there

and this is actually a good example of the constraints we are constantly dealing

with at all levels in deciding the best treatment paths for our children.   If

corn/soy etc. were not an issue, I would probably be using New Chapter vitamin

products.  But since my daughter is definitely gluten/casein/corn/soy etc.

intolerant, I cannot do that and will choose the Liquid Health alternative with

the more notable trace minerals. they are parts per million and not really

anything to worry about at this point although my daughter does have

detoxification issues as do many kids with neurological/metabolic issues.

The thing is we can't stop giving them the vitamins when they are obviously

malabsorbing and deficient, and we can't stop the foods either just because of

the heavy metal risks.  I avoid all farmed fish and give her wild Alaskan salmon

once a week maximum, the fish oil is filtered, and all higher food chain life

forms have siome degree of heavy metal contamination among other things,

especially carnivores or herbivores that are " nut/pallets " fed animals since

those nuts are a mixture of corn/soy and animal/plant derivatives.  That's

another reason grass-fed-grass finished is your best choice of meat. 

With over 80 tons of mercury poured into the atmosphere in the US alone, and

that's just the declared amounts, it is no wonder that mercury ends up being in

every living thing aquatic or terrestrial. So even organic, grass fed beef has

contaminants from the water I'm sure, and it really is hard to avoid but we can

make better choices.  Perhaps this should let us think more about what could be

contributing to all the neurological disorders that seem to be on the rise, but

anyway, for now I think for Ziana Liquid Health continues to be the best option.

What I don't like even more than the trace minerals of heavy metals is the fact

that it is in plastic and I've requested that they consider offering a glass

bottle alternative for those who are willing to pay the higher price and let the

customers decide which they want. I hope they listen. For now I just unload it

when I get it into a brown glass bottle and hope for the best. 

I'll have to look into the Mother Necessity Liz recommended and see how they

stack up.  Always more research and decisions...decisions...

Thank you again for bringing this up, it's the only way to learn and make the

best decisions possible. Nothing is without consequences, we just need to

understand them and decide as best as we can and always be prepared to learn

more and change our minds if new evidence points us in another direction.

All the best to you and yours,

-Elena

From: Nadine Kocho <nadineck@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] multi vitamin in a plastic jug?

Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 1:49 PM

Thanks, Elena... I was also attracted to Liquid Health for its natural

sources, but my knowledge base is far less sophisticated than yours. You are

a wealth of information.

Please let me know what you decide about those trace elements on the back

label.

Nadine

[Guest guest]

Someone please help me understand this concern about things coming in

plastic containers. Practically everything I have ordered for our son

regarding supplements comes in plastic and his Flintstone vitamins are in a

plastic container. I realize I am showing my ignorance, but what toxins is

he taking in when things come in plastics.

Ann

[ ] multi vitamin in a plastic jug?

Elena, I am missing something. What are the dangers of the multi vitamin

being in a plastic jug?

-----Original Message-----

From:

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[mailto:

<mailto: %40> ]On Behalf Of Elena Danaila

Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:24 AM

<mailto: %40>

The only thing I don't like about Ziana's current Liquid Health multi

vitamin is that it comes in a plastic jug. Can't imagine what they were

thinking, but would sure like to find a replacement for that reason, I just

want a whole food based, non-allergenic product and I've not found any other

than this one in the plastic bottle. I've even called them up and asked them

what they were thinking, and they told me it hasn't come up yet. As if

that's a good enough reason. Anyway, thank you.

Elena

[Guest guest]

Do a search on " BPA free " and there will be a bunch of information.  We used to

use a Nuby sippy cup rated " 7 " and threw them out.  Our DD now uses the Take and

Toss cups with a straw (rated " 5 " - and safe).  The little recycling triangle

has the number in the center.  The info you look up should tell you which

numbers are safe and which are not. 

The toxins in the plastic leaches out into their food and drink.  You have to be

careful with plastic liners in canned foods, as well. 

 

in Ohio

From: Ann and Lester <jmlester04@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] multi vitamin in a plastic jug?

Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 10:02 AM

Someone please help me understand this concern about things coming in

plastic containers. Practically everything I have ordered for our son

regarding supplements comes in plastic and his Flintstone vitamins are in a

plastic container. I realize I am showing my ignorance, but what toxins is

he taking in when things come in plastics.

Ann

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Elena, I am missing something. What are the dangers of the multi vitamin

being in a plastic jug?

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The only thing I don't like about Ziana's current Liquid Health multi

vitamin is that it comes in a plastic jug. Can't imagine what they were

thinking, but would sure like to find a replacement for that reason, I just

want a whole food based, non-allergenic product and I've not found any other

than this one in the plastic bottle. I've even called them up and asked them

what they were thinking, and they told me it hasn't come up yet. As if

that's a good enough reason. Anyway, thank you.

Elena

[Guest guest]

Ann,

I will try and give you my understanding of the plastics issue.

Plastics contains chemicals. Some of these chemicals have been found

to leach into the things that they are holding. And some of those

chemicals have been found to have harmful effects... bisephenol A and

pthalates are the ones on most watch groups lips (and sites). Due to

these experiments and findings, countries other than the United States

have taken action. Canada has recalled all baby bottles with BPA, for

instance, and baby bottle manufacturers are responding by creating

glass bottles, glass bottles in silicone sleeves, and non bpa bottles.

From what I understand the chemicals leech into liquids, not solids so

much, and esp. when the bottles and liquids are heated. Parents'

primary concerns have been baby bottles and sippy cups. Klean Kanteen

and Sigg are two companies that provide safe bottles for drinking

from. Canned goods also have the bpa in the lining of the can, and

some water bottles. There are numbers under the bottles that indicate

those that are without bpa, if you do a google search on bisephenol A

you'll get a wealth of info.

Hope that helps,

Nadine

latesly

>

> Someone please help me understand this concern about things coming in

> plastic containers. Practically everything I have ordered for our son

> regarding supplements comes in plastic and his Flintstone vitamins

are in a

> plastic container. I realize I am showing my ignorance, but what

toxins is

> he taking in when things come in plastics.

>

> Ann

>

> [ ] multi vitamin in a plastic jug?

>

> Elena, I am missing something. What are the dangers of the multi vitamin

> being in a plastic jug?

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From:

> <mailto: %40>

> [mailto:

> <mailto: %40> ]On Behalf Of Elena

Danaila

> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:24 AM

>

> <mailto: %40>

>

> The only thing I don't like about Ziana's current Liquid Health multi

> vitamin is that it comes in a plastic jug. Can't imagine what they were

> thinking, but would sure like to find a replacement for that reason,

I just

> want a whole food based, non-allergenic product and I've not found

any other

> than this one in the plastic bottle. I've even called them up and

asked them

> what they were thinking, and they told me it hasn't come up yet. As if

> that's a good enough reason. Anyway, thank you.

> Elena

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

FYI: I know nothing good or bad about Mother Necessity vitamins. OI

only know their cookbook.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann,

I noticed you got some other replies and I believe somebody else asked the same

question a day ago or so.  I provided some links and here's another one.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/07/31/the-terrible-truth\

-about-plastic-you-never-knew.aspx?source=nl

Oh, and BTW, there are also so called " non-profit organizations " for consumer

information etc. that claim plastics are very safe and not to worry.  If you do

google searches you'll come across those too. It is very common for big industry

corporations to operate or fund such nonprofits who then back up their

products.  Sometimes it's hard to trace the funding, but since non-profits are

required by law to disclose all their funding sources, it is usually pretty

obvious.  Anyway, keep reading and asking questions, that's how we all learn.

And avoid plastics as much as you can, especially in contact with liquids or

acidy foods.  Also keep in mind that plastic becomes dust too, just like

everything else.  This means that the more plastic toys, and stuff in your

child's room, the more likely part of the dust you wipe off will contain plastic

particles not to mention the potentially harmful off gassing of plastics.  Just

sniff some of those toys and

especially the softer rubbery ones that have a smell, --lose them!

We avoid buying plastic toys whenever we can, but she still gets some from other

people and we can't keep her from having them completly since they are her

presents, but we make sure they're not out on the shelf and are the first to be

recycled.  I know, it's rough.  Glass baby bottles are making a comeback too for

this reason. Yes, they break, but I can handle that.

Good luck!

-Elena

From: Ann and Lester <jmlester04@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] multi vitamin in a plastic jug?

Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 10:02 AM

Someone please help me understand this concern about things coming in

plastic containers. Practically everything I have ordered for our son

regarding supplements comes in plastic and his Flintstone vitamins are in a

plastic container. I realize I am showing my ignorance, but what toxins is

he taking in when things come in plastics.

Ann

[ ] multi vitamin in a plastic jug?

Elena, I am missing something. What are the dangers of the multi vitamin

being in a plastic jug?

-----Original Message-----

From:

<mailto: %40>

[mailto:

<mailto: %40> ]On Behalf Of Elena

Danaila

Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:24 AM

<mailto: %40>

The only thing I don't like about Ziana's current Liquid Health multi

vitamin is that it comes in a plastic jug. Can't imagine what they were

thinking, but would sure like to find a replacement for that reason, I just

want a whole food based, non-allergenic product and I've not found any

other

than this one in the plastic bottle. I've even called them up and asked

them

what they were thinking, and they told me it hasn't come up yet. As if

that's a good enough reason. Anyway, thank you.

Elena