Re:Enthicity and milk intolerance

March 3, 2008

I will wholeheartly testify to that. While I was working in Japan for

many years, almost everyone of the children with NDDelays had eczema. We

had to help the moms there make the connection and removing milk and

eggs from their children was the first thing we asked them to do. From

then on it was progress. (taking them to the sea was helpful too)

Milk and eggs did not enter the Japanese diet until after the war, so

there were a lot of kids reacting to it.

bigcheech91 wrote:

> It is impossible to put an absolute percentage on it, because it

> varies widely by ethnicity:

>

> " Lactose intolerance, due to genetic reasons, is more common among

> certain racial groups. It appears to be more common among the racial

> groups that had the least exposure to milk during the long

> evolutionary process. Consider the following chart.

>

> Lactose Intolerance Among American Racial Groups

>

> Asian Americans, 95%

> African Americans, 65%

> Native Americans, 65%

> Hispanics, 50%

> Caucasians, 15%

>

> Lactose intolerance can often be adequately remedied by taking

> supplements that contain lactase enzymes. However, these enzymes

> don't help kids whose problems are a result of a shortage of the DPP4

> enzyme, or a result of an IgE allergy. "

>

> --This is a direct quote from page 209 of " Healing the New Childhood

> Epidemics: Autism, ADHD, Asthma, and Allergies; The Groundbreaking

> Program for the 4-A Disorders. " written by Bock, M.D. and

> Cameron Stauth

>

> in NJ

>

>>

>> In a message dated 3/3/2008 3:22:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>> kiddietalk@... writes:

>>

>> " Approximately 2% of the pediatric population is affected by cow's

>> milk allergy. Moreover the condition tends to be outgrown by 5

>>

> years

>

>> of age. "

>>

>> I'd have to totally disagree with this statement-- just in

>>

> speaking about

>

>> personal experiences and people I know. I am POSITIVE that well

>>

> over 70% of my

>

>> friends and their children experience milk intolerance or allergy.

>>

> Maybe we

>

>> have to make the distinction between intolerance and allergry??? I

>>

> know that

>

>> most people will SAY allergy but it really is an intolerance?

>>

> Maybe that's

>

>> where the statement is askew-- because I know more than 2% that

>>

> have milk

>

>> issues and they don't outgrow them, but the problems seem to WORSEN

>>

> throughout

>

>> the years

>> (almost 12 close friends of mine and I were recently out and we

>>

> talked about

>

>> stomach issues, and it seems as though 10 of the 12 have dairy

>>

> issues and

>

>> can no longer tolerate it, when they could as children, but it's

>>

> got

>

>> increasingly worse as they get older)

>> interesting things we've been talking about lately-- that's for

>>

> sure! LOL

>

>>

>> becky

>>

>> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL

>>

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>

>> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

>>

March 4, 2008

My boys do well too. Our trip to Nova Scotia this summer really did

amazing things for them. We spent every possible moment on the sands of

the oceanfront. I am already planning a trip for two months this summer.

I have heard on other boards where parents talk about their children

doing well at the ocean. Sure it is a bit of everything.

Janice wrote:

> ,

>

> Mark does AMAZING when we go to Mexico and play in the ocean. Is it the sea

or is it the sun? I am definately going to move one day....

>

> [sPAM]Re: [ ] Re:Enthicity and milk intolerance

>

> I will wholeheartly testify to that. While I was working in Japan for

> many years, almost everyone of the children with NDDelays had eczema. We

> had to help the moms there make the connection and removing milk and

> eggs from their children was the first thing we asked them to do. From

> then on it was progress. (taking them to the sea was helpful too)

> Milk and eggs did not enter the Japanese diet until after the war, so

> there were a lot of kids reacting to it.

>

> bigcheech91 wrote:

> > It is impossible to put an absolute percentage on it, because it

> > varies widely by ethnicity:

> >

> > " Lactose intolerance, due to genetic reasons, is more common among

> > certain racial groups. It appears to be more common among the racial

> > groups that had the least exposure to milk during the long

> > evolutionary process. Consider the following chart.

> >

> > Lactose Intolerance Among American Racial Groups

> >

> > Asian Americans, 95%

> > African Americans, 65%

> > Native Americans, 65%

> > Hispanics, 50%

> > Caucasians, 15%

> >

> > Lactose intolerance can often be adequately remedied by taking

> > supplements that contain lactase enzymes. However, these enzymes

> > don't help kids whose problems are a result of a shortage of the DPP4

> > enzyme, or a result of an IgE allergy. "

> >

> > --This is a direct quote from page 209 of " Healing the New Childhood

> > Epidemics: Autism, ADHD, Asthma, and Allergies; The Groundbreaking

> > Program for the 4-A Disorders. " written by Bock, M.D. and

> > Cameron Stauth

> >

> > in NJ

> >

> >>

> >> In a message dated 3/3/2008 3:22:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> >> kiddietalk@... writes:

> >>

> >> " Approximately 2% of the pediatric population is affected by cow's

> >> milk allergy. Moreover the condition tends to be outgrown by 5

> >>

> > years

> >

> >> of age. "

> >>

> >> I'd have to totally disagree with this statement-- just in

> >>

> > speaking about

> >

> >> personal experiences and people I know. I am POSITIVE that well

> >>

> > over 70% of my

> >

> >> friends and their children experience milk intolerance or allergy.

> >>

> > Maybe we

> >

> >> have to make the distinction between intolerance and allergry??? I

> >>

> > know that

> >

> >> most people will SAY allergy but it really is an intolerance?

> >>

> > Maybe that's

> >

> >> where the statement is askew-- because I know more than 2% that

> >>

> > have milk

> >

> >> issues and they don't outgrow them, but the problems seem to WORSEN

> >>

> > throughout

> >

> >> the years

> >> (almost 12 close friends of mine and I were recently out and we

> >>

> > talked about

> >

> >> stomach issues, and it seems as though 10 of the 12 have dairy

> >>

> > issues and

> >

> >> can no longer tolerate it, when they could as children, but it's

> >>

> > got

> >

> >> increasingly worse as they get older)

> >> interesting things we've been talking about lately-- that's for

> >>

> > sure! LOL

> >

> >>

> >> becky

> >>

> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL

> >>

> > Money &

> >

> >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

> >>

March 4, 2008

,

Mark does AMAZING when we go to Mexico and play in the ocean. Is it the sea or

is it the sun? I am definately going to move one day....

[sPAM]Re: [ ] Re:Enthicity and milk intolerance

I will wholeheartly testify to that. While I was working in Japan for

many years, almost everyone of the children with NDDelays had eczema. We

had to help the moms there make the connection and removing milk and

eggs from their children was the first thing we asked them to do. From

then on it was progress. (taking them to the sea was helpful too)

Milk and eggs did not enter the Japanese diet until after the war, so

there were a lot of kids reacting to it.

bigcheech91 wrote:

> It is impossible to put an absolute percentage on it, because it

> varies widely by ethnicity:

>

> " Lactose intolerance, due to genetic reasons, is more common among

> certain racial groups. It appears to be more common among the racial

> groups that had the least exposure to milk during the long

> evolutionary process. Consider the following chart.

>

> Lactose Intolerance Among American Racial Groups

>

> Asian Americans, 95%

> African Americans, 65%

> Native Americans, 65%

> Hispanics, 50%

> Caucasians, 15%

>

> Lactose intolerance can often be adequately remedied by taking

> supplements that contain lactase enzymes. However, these enzymes

> don't help kids whose problems are a result of a shortage of the DPP4

> enzyme, or a result of an IgE allergy. "

>

> --This is a direct quote from page 209 of " Healing the New Childhood

> Epidemics: Autism, ADHD, Asthma, and Allergies; The Groundbreaking

> Program for the 4-A Disorders. " written by Bock, M.D. and

> Cameron Stauth

>

> in NJ

>

>>

>> In a message dated 3/3/2008 3:22:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>> kiddietalk@... writes:

>>

>> " Approximately 2% of the pediatric population is affected by cow's

>> milk allergy. Moreover the condition tends to be outgrown by 5

>>

> years

>

>> of age. "

>>

>> I'd have to totally disagree with this statement-- just in

>>

> speaking about

>

>> personal experiences and people I know. I am POSITIVE that well

>>

> over 70% of my

>

>> friends and their children experience milk intolerance or allergy.

>>

> Maybe we

>

>> have to make the distinction between intolerance and allergry??? I

>>

> know that

>

>> most people will SAY allergy but it really is an intolerance?

>>

> Maybe that's

>

>> where the statement is askew-- because I know more than 2% that

>>

> have milk

>

>> issues and they don't outgrow them, but the problems seem to WORSEN

>>

> throughout

>

>> the years

>> (almost 12 close friends of mine and I were recently out and we

>>

> talked about

>

>> stomach issues, and it seems as though 10 of the 12 have dairy

>>

> issues and

>

>> can no longer tolerate it, when they could as children, but it's

>>

> got

>

>> increasingly worse as they get older)

>> interesting things we've been talking about lately-- that's for

>>

> sure! LOL

>

>>

>> becky

>>

>> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL

>>

> Money &

>

>> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

>>

March 4, 2008

I saw this too. Since I went earlier in the day and later I believe

for us it was a combo: salt air and water helped as did sun, each in

their own way. We are getting family beach passes. Even in the cold

NJ winter we have managed to take the kids to the beach playground

twice on some good days.

> > >

> > >>

> > >> In a message dated 3/3/2008 3:22:05 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> > >> kiddietalk@ writes:

> > >>

> > >> " Approximately 2% of the pediatric population is affected by

cow's

> > >> milk allergy. Moreover the condition tends to be outgrown by

5

> > >>

> > > years

> > >

> > >> of age. "

> > >>

> > >> I'd have to totally disagree with this statement-- just in

> > >>

> > > speaking about

> > >

> > >> personal experiences and people I know. I am POSITIVE that

well

> > >>

> > > over 70% of my

> > >

> > >> friends and their children experience milk intolerance or

allergy.

> > >>

> > > Maybe we

> > >

> > >> have to make the distinction between intolerance and

allergry??? I

> > >>

> > > know that

> > >

> > >> most people will SAY allergy but it really is an

intolerance?

> > >>

> > > Maybe that's

> > >

> > >> where the statement is askew-- because I know more than 2%

that

> > >>

> > > have milk

> > >

> > >> issues and they don't outgrow them, but the problems seem to

WORSEN

> > >>

> > > throughout

> > >

> > >> the years

> > >> (almost 12 close friends of mine and I were recently out and

we

> > >>

> > > talked about

> > >

> > >> stomach issues, and it seems as though 10 of the 12 have

dairy

> > >>

> > > issues and

> > >

> > >> can no longer tolerate it, when they could as children, but

it's

> > >>

> > > got

> > >

> > >> increasingly worse as they get older)

> > >> interesting things we've been talking about lately-- that's

for

> > >>

> > > sure! LOL

> > >

> > >>

> > >> becky

> > >>

> > >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on

AOL

> > >>

> > > Money &

> > >

> > >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

> > >>

March 4, 2008

Hi and Becky,

Allergic and lactose intolerant are different. I didn't put the

entire quote but here it is " Approximately 2% of the pediatric

population is affected by cow's milk allergy. Moreover, the condition

tends to be outgrown by 5 years of age. In contrast to cow's milk

allergy, which occurs primarily in infancy and young childhood,

lactose intolerance (symptoms) seldom occurs prior to preadolescence. "

http://www.nationaldairycouncil.org/NationalDairyCouncil/Health/Digestdcd77-3Pag\

e1.htm

And it's not just the National Dairy Council that states the 2%

Pediatric Dermatology

Volume 24 Issue 1 Page 1-6, January/February 2007

Unnecessary Milk Elimination Diets in Children with Atopic Dermatitis

Children were followed up at 1, 3, 6, and 12 months. Of the 206

patients...Four patients on the milk-free diet (8.9%), accounting for

2.2% of all patients, were found to be allergic. confirming that this

measure is being applied excessively.

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1525-1470.2007.00323.x

CM allergy alone affects. 1% to 3% [3],

http://www.springerlink.com/content/m8k11mtl7x266804/

Also my son Tanner who has drank milk all his life -actually both my

boys -I can't even tell you the last time either of them were on

antibiotics -they both had one or two ear infections when they were

little and that's when there were on antibiotics -years ago. The

attacks on milk as if it's the reason not just for ear infections but

for sensory issues, dyspraxia and drooling are unfounded. Again in

the history of this group most did not stop milk in their child's

diet. Also even though there are recommendations to remove milk for

those that have frequent ear infections they may recommend a few

weeks or so -not forever. And...milk isn't the only reason that

people get ear infections

http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hearing/otitism.htm#children -and on

top of that is everyone aware of the risks of milk elimination not

done properly? Read the following study about the risks -a child

with poor bone health that is shorter and prone to fractures and

other problems.. and for some reason more prone to being overweight

too (and I'm sure these children's parents supplemented with other

types of calcium -but read the following and see)

Children who avoid drinking cow milk have low dietary calcium intakes

and poor bone health1,2,3

Conclusions: In growing children, long-term avoidance of cow milk is

associated with small stature and poor bone health. This is a major

concern that warrants further study.

The high proportion of overweight and obese children in the present

study was an unexpected finding, particularly because many of the

children had been breast-fed for prolonged periods (44). Because we

did not measure energy balance in our study, we cannot say whether

the high adiposity of these children was due to excessive energy

intakes or to inadequate energy expenditure. It could be that the

milk avoiders were drinking more high-energy substitute fluids, such

as fruit juice or carbonated drinks. Short stature and obesity have

been reported in children who consume excessive amount of fruit juice

(45), although not always (46). Alternatively, the milk avoiders in

the present study may have been less physically active than the

control subjects. Low activity would have affected bone growth

adversely because intermittent weight-bearing exercise is a

critically important stimulus to osteogenesis in prepubertal children

(47–50). Another possible mechanism contributing to the high

adiposity we observed in the milk avoiders was that their high body

weights were linked to their low calcium intakes. Recent studies

suggest that low dietary calcium intakes can stimulate lipogenesis

and inhibit lipolysis simultaneously, resulting in the accumulation

of body fat (51–54).

In summary, our study of young male and female prepubertal children

with a long history of avoiding cow-milk consumption has identified

major problems in bone health (eg, small bones, low aBMD and

volumetric BMAD, and a high prevalence of bone fractures) that many

health professionals and members of the general public appear to be

unaware of. Short stature and high adiposity were other health

concerns. Ideally, a full dietary assessment of children who avoid

milk consumption seems warranted to help identify possible

nutritional deficiencies or excesses. Future studies of bone health

in larger populations of children who avoid the consumption of cow

milk are desirable to confirm our findings and to determine whether

the problems associated with this dietary pattern resolve as the

children grow (4). In the interim it seems prudent to advise parents

of all children who do not drink cow milk that they should seek

professional nutritional advice to help optimize their children's

bone health.

Key Words: Dietary calcium • bone density • milk avoidance •

children • obesity • fractures • cow milk allergy • New Zealand

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/76/3/675

And for sure this is what happens if one doesn't do milk elimination

under supervision.

Multiple Bone Fractures in an 8-Year-Old Child with Cow's Milk

Allergy and Inappropriate Calcium Supplementation

Giovanna Montia, Valentina Libanorea, Letizia Marinaroa, o

Lalab, o Minieroa, Francesco Savinoa

aFood Allergy Service, Department of Pediatric and Adolescence

Science, and

bDivision of Pediatric Endocrinology, Regina Margherita Children's

Hospital, Turin, Italy

Abstract

The case of an 8-year-old boy with severe bone mass reduction and 4

fractures as a result of an unsupervised diet established to treat

cow's milk allergy is presented. Endocrine, genetic and orthopedic

pathologies were excluded. While vitamin D intake had always been

appropriate, his calcium intake had been inadequate for many years.

This clinical report suggests that both vitamin D and calcium

supplementation are necessary when a cow's milk protein-free diet is

prescribed, even when a hypo- or non-allergenic formula is provided.

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowPDF & ArtikelNr=10414\

2 & Ausgabe=233284 & ProduktNr=223977 & filename=104142.pdf

=====

March 4, 2008

My niece's DAN wants her to go to the beach more and the pool less.

I'll check with my sister on the details, but I think there is

something detoxifying about the sea water, and of course chemicals in

the pool are the downside there. She is very sensitive to

chlorinated pools.

in NJ

> >

> >>

> >> In a message dated 3/3/2008 3:22:05 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> >> kiddietalk@ writes:

> >>

> >> " Approximately 2% of the pediatric population is affected by

cow's

> >> milk allergy. Moreover the condition tends to be outgrown by 5

> >>

> > years

> >

> >> of age. "

> >>

> >> I'd have to totally disagree with this statement-- just in

> >>

> > speaking about

> >

> >> personal experiences and people I know. I am POSITIVE that

well

> >>

> > over 70% of my

> >

> >> friends and their children experience milk intolerance or

allergy.

> >>

> > Maybe we

> >

> >> have to make the distinction between intolerance and

allergry??? I

> >>

> > know that

> >

> >> most people will SAY allergy but it really is an intolerance?

> >>

> > Maybe that's

> >

> >> where the statement is askew-- because I know more than 2%

that

> >>

> > have milk

> >

> >> issues and they don't outgrow them, but the problems seem to

WORSEN

> >>

> > throughout

> >

> >> the years

> >> (almost 12 close friends of mine and I were recently out and

we

> >>

> > talked about

> >

> >> stomach issues, and it seems as though 10 of the 12 have dairy

> >>

> > issues and

> >

> >> can no longer tolerate it, when they could as children, but

it's

> >>

> > got

> >

> >> increasingly worse as they get older)

> >> interesting things we've been talking about lately-- that's

for

> >>

> > sure! LOL

> >

> >>

> >> becky

> >>

> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on

AOL

> >>

> > Money &

> >

> >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

> >>

March 4, 2008

I do think salt water has an epsom salt quality. Same thing happened

during 's first epsom salt bath as what happened during his

first immersion in the ocean: pale yellow detox poop.

>

> ,

>

> Just a note on that. This was almost eerie. My beau took Mark and

his son to his downtown pool where he works out for the afternoon

sometime before Christmas. Mark came home with actual " BURNS " on his

legs! It may have been from the hot tub but OMG! He had a tough time

getting to sleep that night. Now, we have swam in pools all of his

life and this is the first time this has happened but it quite

literally 'grossed me out'. Okay, sorry to use language of my

teenage daughter but I cannot think of any other description to

express my horror adequately.

>

> Of course, about a month after that, my environmental doc pretty

much has banned the use of all public pools (because of the chlorine)

except for one salt water pool here in Edmonton for the next little

while as we are working on Mark's metabolic pathways with a vigor. I

had already made my decision about the evils of chlorine and so

needed no encouragement with that regard.

>

> I know that Mark is a new kid at the beach. Salt water has always

been considered healing, hasn't it? About 3 hours away from my house

I have discovered beautiful sulfer hot springs. The mountain is

actually called sulpher mountain! I am going to take Mark there in

the springtime for a few days when the sulpher is at its peak.

Various hot springs have wonderful healing properties. (Cheaper than

some of the other biomed too!)

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

March 4, 2008

not to change the subject but I attribute my son's pale yellow detox poop

to his overdrinking of Lactaid!

March 4, 2008

,

Just a note on that. This was almost eerie. My beau took Mark and his son to

his downtown pool where he works out for the afternoon sometime before

Christmas. Mark came home with actual " BURNS " on his legs! It may have been

from the hot tub but OMG! He had a tough time getting to sleep that night.

Now, we have swam in pools all of his life and this is the first time this has

happened but it quite literally 'grossed me out'. Okay, sorry to use language

of my teenage daughter but I cannot think of any other description to express my

horror adequately.

Of course, about a month after that, my environmental doc pretty much has banned

the use of all public pools (because of the chlorine) except for one salt water

pool here in Edmonton for the next little while as we are working on Mark's

metabolic pathways with a vigor. I had already made my decision about the evils

of chlorine and so needed no encouragement with that regard.

I know that Mark is a new kid at the beach. Salt water has always been

considered healing, hasn't it? About 3 hours away from my house I have

discovered beautiful sulfer hot springs. The mountain is actually called

sulpher mountain! I am going to take Mark there in the springtime for a few

days when the sulpher is at its peak. Various hot springs have wonderful

healing properties. (Cheaper than some of the other biomed too!)

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM][ ] Re:Enthicity and milk intolerance

My niece's DAN wants her to go to the beach more and the pool less.

I'll check with my sister on the details, but I think there is

something detoxifying about the sea water, and of course chemicals in

the pool are the downside there. She is very sensitive to

chlorinated pools.

in NJ

> >

> >>

> >> In a message dated 3/3/2008 3:22:05 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> >> kiddietalk@ writes:

> >>

> >> " Approximately 2% of the pediatric population is affected by

cow's

> >> milk allergy. Moreover the condition tends to be outgrown by 5

> >>

> > years

> >

> >> of age. "

> >>

> >> I'd have to totally disagree with this statement-- just in

> >>

> > speaking about

> >

> >> personal experiences and people I know. I am POSITIVE that

well

> >>

> > over 70% of my

> >

> >> friends and their children experience milk intolerance or

allergy.

> >>

> > Maybe we

> >

> >> have to make the distinction between intolerance and

allergry??? I

> >>

> > know that

> >

> >> most people will SAY allergy but it really is an intolerance?

> >>

> > Maybe that's

> >

> >> where the statement is askew-- because I know more than 2%

that

> >>

> > have milk

> >

> >> issues and they don't outgrow them, but the problems seem to

WORSEN

> >>

> > throughout

> >

> >> the years

> >> (almost 12 close friends of mine and I were recently out and

we

> >>

> > talked about

> >

> >> stomach issues, and it seems as though 10 of the 12 have dairy

> >>

> > issues and

> >

> >> can no longer tolerate it, when they could as children, but

it's

> >>

> > got

> >

> >> increasingly worse as they get older)

> >> interesting things we've been talking about lately-- that's

for

> >>

> > sure! LOL

> >

> >>

> >> becky

> >>

> >> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on

AOL

> >>

> > Money &

> >

> >> Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

> >>

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