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, I appreciate your post, but to clarify MY position, I am making no

effort to be " politically correct. " I often wonder what that term really means.

Usually, I hear political conservatives using that term to justify their

continued alliance to a position.

For example, how I refer to people of ethnic origin or different cultures,

may change according to what that group of people find acceptable, but that is

because I am being considerate and tolerate of others feelings. I would not

label myself as being " politically correct " but an aware person being

considerate. It isn't hard to do.

Now, saying that someone has cognitive impairments frankly should be very

clear to anyone of reasonable intelligence, but I would hope that doctors would

explain every label they give to any diagnosis of a child or adult.

's own latest post spoke about " impairments " not " retardation. " I think

that is progress in my opinion as we all become more aware and educated on

this subject.

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Isn't the issue one of hope? I know a lot of apraxic moms are

sensitive to the word autism because that diagnosis, to them, is #1,

the wrong for for their kid and #2, one that for no good reason, has

less hope attached. Ask the parents of autiststic children. There are

issues there as well...high functioning versus low functioning. Sad

because as long as they are functioning let's get them well. Reading

's posts over the last months I do think she has been trying to

point out that apraxic children, of which she has one and learned

that at a time when so little was known and done for these kids, are

very bright and often their lack of voice is a barrier to society at

large seeing that. I am thankful for her doing that because at a time

when no doctor or therapist knew what was up with my kid she helped

me narrow things down enough to ask better questions and between her

and I realized he was low tone (got that from via the

book) and had allergy and malabsorption stuff (got that from

's posts and lots of legwork at the doctors).

At this point we still don't have an appropriate label for my son and

he keeps changing so much no one cares, least of all me. Call him

Ethel if you like...go ahead...he will correct you VERBALLY!

My only objection to the use of the word retarded is the lack of hope

it can imply. With that said, I do not think , as an advocate for

so many children, beyond her own, was doing that.

There is always hope. So much hope. I never ever thought I would see

that. I do now and I sure do want it for all of us, regardless of

label.

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I have only looked at a few of these posts, but in the process of

becoming PC people often no longer understand the diagnosis. I am on

a school psychologist list and there are numerous occassions where a

parent has not known their child was mentally retarded (based on IQ)

because previous psychologists have tried to soften the blow by using

words that apparently did not convey the same meaning to the parent.

In the clinical world, mentally retarded has a very specific

meaning. If someone is trying to be politically correct while giving

a diagnosis, I hope they at least make sure the parent understands

the message.

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I am not trying to stir up trouble here at all. Somehow the word retarded got

equated with

mentally retarded and those are not the same. That was my origional point and

we got onto a tangent about mental retardation.

I think that you have every right to feel the way you choose to feel. Since

the word has such a derogatory connnotation, I can see why your ears would raise

when he said that. I personally do not care for the word at all and all the

professionals I know use mentally challenged, mentally handicapped or atleast MR

, if it is applicable.

Since the doctor was not referring to the child's mental abilities, as far as

I understand it, it seems to me that he meant no harm.

I firmly believe that life is 10 percent what happens to us and 90 percent

what we choose about what happens to us.It just seems like alot of energy and

anger over a word that was actually used correctly and probably not intended to

offend or hurt your feelings in anyway. I guess I am just trying to say, in a

toned down manner, let it go. So he (or she) used the R word. Atleast he used

it correctly; it is a real word. I am sure the doctor gave no thought at all to

this little passing. He is probably just old school.

Let it roll off the back , forgive, do whatever it takes, consider it a

misjudgment on his or her part. You have bigger battles to fight.

Sharon

elmccann <elmccann@...> wrote:

I have only looked at a few of these posts, but in the process of

becoming PC people often no longer understand the diagnosis. I am on

a school psychologist list and there are numerous occassions where a

parent has not known their child was mentally retarded (based on IQ)

because previous psychologists have tried to soften the blow by using

words that apparently did not convey the same meaning to the parent.

In the clinical world, mentally retarded has a very specific

meaning. If someone is trying to be politically correct while giving

a diagnosis, I hope they at least make sure the parent understands

the message.

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Janice,

I completely agree. If thechild got little sleep or was bored witht he test,

did not like the examiner, or is nonverbal and dysgraphic , all these factors

can affect the scores.

I find they use the socres for placement purposes. It is a hindrance for the

kid , more than a help, but the parent can always get private score to show

higher (or lower ifyou are looking for services) functioning.

Sharon

Janice <jscott@...> wrote:

In grade 2, Mark's nonverbal score was a 78 while his verbal score was 134! (I

think that I have these reasonably correct without running to the book of tests

accumulated). Put them together and you get an average IQ which is completely

inelegible for all services! BUT.... on the one hand we have a borderline

handicapped child and on the other hand we have borderline gifted child!

So..... what the heck is that!

Our children often fit both extremes so it is incredibly important to recognize

both their inherent gifts and their handicaps in order to tailor programs that

push them forward effectively and meet their needs developmentally too. It is a

balance that you simply do not find in the regular school room.

Today..... I don't know that either of those numbers would hold! IQ is not

'stagnant'! It is not fixed. It is a measure of how you did on one particular

day. The test is not the child and we must remember this.

Today, I would say that Mark's nonverbal score would be about 100 and his verbal

score would be lower too. Why? Because over time, his nonverbal processes have

slowly caught up to the norm and the norm has slowly caught up to his verbal

processes!

In other words.... it is all baloney! It is a way of trying to determine what a

child needs at a " critical " time of their lives and should not be a number that

stays with you for life! The IQ test should be used to determine the needs of

the child on a particular day or for a particular term. It should not define who

a child is and unfortunately, Mark's IQ results from grade 2 follow him year

after year and are on every single IEP..... for every teacher to read and

decide.... who he is. Since he has left special education, this has stopped but

those scores were with him for over 5 years! It was rather unfair after a while.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM]Re: [ ] Re: Retardation versus Impairment

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In grade 2, Mark's nonverbal score was a 78 while his verbal score was 134! (I

think that I have these reasonably correct without running to the book of tests

accumulated). Put them together and you get an average IQ which is completely

inelegible for all services! BUT.... on the one hand we have a borderline

handicapped child and on the other hand we have borderline gifted child!

So..... what the heck is that!

Our children often fit both extremes so it is incredibly important to recognize

both their inherent gifts and their handicaps in order to tailor programs that

push them forward effectively and meet their needs developmentally too. It is a

balance that you simply do not find in the regular school room.

Today..... I don't know that either of those numbers would hold! IQ is not

'stagnant'! It is not fixed. It is a measure of how you did on one particular

day. The test is not the child and we must remember this.

Today, I would say that Mark's nonverbal score would be about 100 and his verbal

score would be lower too. Why? Because over time, his nonverbal processes have

slowly caught up to the norm and the norm has slowly caught up to his verbal

processes!

In other words.... it is all baloney! It is a way of trying to determine what a

child needs at a " critical " time of their lives and should not be a number that

stays with you for life! The IQ test should be used to determine the needs of

the child on a particular day or for a particular term. It should not define

who a child is and unfortunately, Mark's IQ results from grade 2 follow him year

after year and are on every single IEP..... for every teacher to read and

decide.... who he is. Since he has left special education, this has stopped but

those scores were with him for over 5 years! It was rather unfair after a

while.

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM]Re: [ ] Re: Retardation versus Impairment

An IQ of 75 or below meets the guidelines of MR in Iowa.

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Having sat in a room with parents who have diagnoses that dance around

the word autism yet they in fact living with autism and have no map I

can see this point well. Did not see it this way though in context of

apraxia. Perhaps I am naive.

>

> I have only looked at a few of these posts, but in the process of

> becoming PC people often no longer understand the diagnosis. I am on

> a school psychologist list and there are numerous occassions where a

> parent has not known their child was mentally retarded (based on IQ)

> because previous psychologists have tried to soften the blow by using

> words that apparently did not convey the same meaning to the parent.

> In the clinical world, mentally retarded has a very specific

> meaning. If someone is trying to be politically correct while giving

> a diagnosis, I hope they at least make sure the parent understands

> the message.

>

>

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