Re: Why I MUST do MORE than just fish oils LONG read to the end / NACD, APD

[Guest guest]

The NACD does not diagnose anything in anybody, ever. They evaluate

the child in front of them on what they can and cannot do as compared

to their typical peers, then they give parents a way to remediate any

deficits right now. They don't claim to dx your child, they don't

give you a shiny, useless report, and they don't promise to solve all

your problems. They act on what can be seen today. This is what

they are doing for 5-1/2 year old son (who cannot be officially dx'd

with APD until at least 6 at Children's Specialized near us) right

now. I am hoping that by consistently working on his program right

now, he will never get that official diagnosis.

If anybody doubts that you can see APD in a younger child, they might

want to consider reading " Like Water Through Sound " by Foli

(sp?). It is about a mother's multi-year journey to find out what is

going on with her son. Many people thought he had autism and only

through her efforts did she find the right therapists to help her

child and correctly diagnose her child.

I don't think that discussing NACD implies that you must take your

child there, any more than discussing fish oil and vitamin E makes

those supplements mandatory. And I would like to note that most of

the families that do take their children to NACD have willingly spent

a lot of time and effort to give people FOR FREE home activities to

try out. This is one of the reasons that I took there --

these helpful hints showed me what we could accomplish there.

in NJ

>

> We are all looking for new approaches and what can help but we want

> to keep it credible. MILK IS EVIL and other such statements are not

> credible and take away from the integrity of what this group has

been

> for years. I appreciate that there are more children in this group

> who must have much more severe issues or mental retardation -but my

> messages are to those parents of the typical apraxic child like mine

> who has normal IQ and who responds to what is basic. As I've said

> before -if Tanner did not respond to therapy and fish oils I

probably

> would have gone down the more complex expensive biomedical routes -

> but we didn't have to and many of us didn't have to. Too many today

> will make statements that hold no water without any documentation to

> back it up -we never did that years ago.

>

> I also didn't say anything negative about NACD other than that it's

> all that is brought up while the Association Method (AM) is no

longer

> mentioned -and AM is a proven method that has worked for many! My

> message about NACD being expensive came from an archive of a parent

> that tried it -not from me since again neither of my boys ever did

> and it has not come up often in this group -except recently as if

> it's the only way to go.

>

> ~~~from a recent message I posted about NACD

> NACD -this one parent summed it up back in 2002

> Dear Kim,

> We have limited knowledge with NACD. The program

> seemed very good but very expensive. It was also very

> demanding and we found we couldn't keep up with it for

> our daughter.

> Deborah Lea

>

> If I had a choice I'd go with an association school over NACD for

our

> children if one had the time and money for a special program.

> http://www.usm.edu/dubard/

> http://www.magnoliaspeechschool.org/general/associationmethod.pdf

> And here is info from just one school that uses this approach

> http://www.bridgestherapy.com/bridgesnew_files/Page828.htm

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end of archive

>

> I also questioned the CAPD or APD diagnosis at toddler age because I

> have a son diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and CAPD at school age. Dakota

however has in

> spite of this been a top student (tested at 99% percentile) since

> kindergarten -but a bit of an absentminded professor in regards to

> planning etc. It's never affected his ability to have tons of

> friends and be an awesome kid who has a great sense of humor. Who

> knows -it's perhaps why he is so creative and comes up with so much

> that blows everyone away. He is also very theatrical and after last

> year being cast in a high school play while just in 7th grade he was

> without audition cast in a broadway play that will be coming out

this Spring.

> Point is if I knew all of this would I have needed to " treat " him at

> 2 or 3 or even 5? So again my question is it NACD that diagnosis

> CAPD at preschool age?! It would also be interesting to take

> a " normal " child one is worried about to such a professional that

> diagnosis CAPD at 2 and see what they are diagnosed with. Kids are

> never easy for sure- but some of that is normal! I am not one for

> piling up diagnosis on diagnosis -and in fact believe that can hurt

a

> child even more due to preconceived perceptions which are probably

> not favorable.

>

> I will send out on a separate message some information which will

> validate what we have been talking about here for years.

>

> This group is founded and owned by me -and I do try to keep things

> open by keeping it uncensored -the messages are what they are. I

> have no problem with anyone not agreeing with me and will always

post

> it and let all the other moderators know to post it. I have a

> problem with any attacks on anyone outside of mine and those are the

> messages that bother me. Perhaps my message was in response to

> someone who was very mean in email to someone here who is too nice

to

> fight back and both parties know who they are.

>

> Of course I do let everyone know when I don't agree and that's my

> right just like it's your right to believe I'm being pushy. Perhaps

> I was -but when I see new parents thinking they 'have' to take their

> child to NACD or whatever I will jump in. Of course they have the

> right to listen to you and not me. I encourage people to examine

all

> views and make the best decision for their own child. I personally

> feel what worked for the majority for years is more important than

> what worked for a few. (especially if the minority way is more

> complex and expensive)

>

> I will send out on a separate message some information which will

> validate what we have been talking about here for years.

>

> =====

>

[Guest guest]

Traci,

From nearly every one of your posts, I copy and paste something that

I need to read, consider, or try. :-) Thank you!

> >

> > We are all looking for new approaches and what can help but we

want

> > to keep it credible. MILK IS EVIL and other such statements are

not

> > credible and take away from the integrity of what this group has

> been

> > for years. I appreciate that there are more children in this

group

> > who must have much more severe issues or mental retardation -but

my

> > messages are to those parents of the typical apraxic child like

mine

> > who has normal IQ and who responds to what is basic. As I've

said

> > before -if Tanner did not respond to therapy and fish oils I

> probably

> > would have gone down the more complex expensive biomedical

routes -

> > but we didn't have to and many of us didn't have to. Too many

today

> > will make statements that hold no water without any

documentation to

> > back it up -we never did that years ago.

> >

> > I also didn't say anything negative about NACD other than that

it's

> > all that is brought up while the Association Method (AM) is no

> longer

> > mentioned -and AM is a proven method that has worked for many!

My

> > message about NACD being expensive came from an archive of a

parent

> > that tried it -not from me since again neither of my boys ever

did

> > and it has not come up often in this group -except recently as if

> > it's the only way to go.

> >

> > ~~~from a recent message I posted about NACD

> > NACD -this one parent summed it up back in 2002

> > Dear Kim,

> > We have limited knowledge with NACD. The program

> > seemed very good but very expensive. It was also very

> > demanding and we found we couldn't keep up with it for

> > our daughter.

> > Deborah Lea

> >

> > If I had a choice I'd go with an association school over NACD

for

> our

> > children if one had the time and money for a special program.

> > http://www.usm.edu/dubard/

> > http://www.magnoliaspeechschool.org/general/associationmethod.pdf

> > And here is info from just one school that uses this approach

> > http://www.bridgestherapy.com/bridgesnew_files/Page828.htm

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end of archive

> >

> > I also questioned the CAPD or APD diagnosis at toddler age

because I

> > have a son diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and CAPD at school age.

Dakota

> however has in

> > spite of this been a top student (tested at 99% percentile) since

> > kindergarten -but a bit of an absentminded professor in regards

to

> > planning etc. It's never affected his ability to have tons of

> > friends and be an awesome kid who has a great sense of humor.

Who

> > knows -it's perhaps why he is so creative and comes up with so

much

> > that blows everyone away. He is also very theatrical and after

last

> > year being cast in a high school play while just in 7th grade he

was

> > without audition cast in a broadway play that will be coming out

> this Spring.

> > Point is if I knew all of this would I have needed to " treat "

him at

> > 2 or 3 or even 5? So again my question is it NACD that diagnosis

> > CAPD at preschool age?! It would also be interesting to take

> > a " normal " child one is worried about to such a professional that

> > diagnosis CAPD at 2 and see what they are diagnosed with. Kids

are

> > never easy for sure- but some of that is normal! I am not one

for

> > piling up diagnosis on diagnosis -and in fact believe that can

hurt

> a

> > child even more due to preconceived perceptions which are

probably

> > not favorable.

> >

> > I will send out on a separate message some information which will

> > validate what we have been talking about here for years.

> >

> > This group is founded and owned by me -and I do try to keep

things

> > open by keeping it uncensored -the messages are what they are. I

> > have no problem with anyone not agreeing with me and will always

> post

> > it and let all the other moderators know to post it. I have a

> > problem with any attacks on anyone outside of mine and those are

the

> > messages that bother me. Perhaps my message was in response to

> > someone who was very mean in email to someone here who is too

nice

> to

> > fight back and both parties know who they are.

> >

> > Of course I do let everyone know when I don't agree and that's my

> > right just like it's your right to believe I'm being pushy.

Perhaps

> > I was -but when I see new parents thinking they 'have' to take

their

> > child to NACD or whatever I will jump in. Of course they have

the

> > right to listen to you and not me. I encourage people to

examine

> all

> > views and make the best decision for their own child. I

personally

> > feel what worked for the majority for years is more important

than

> > what worked for a few. (especially if the minority way is more

> > complex and expensive)

> >

> > I will send out on a separate message some information which will

> > validate what we have been talking about here for years.

> >

> > =====

> >

[Guest guest]

For the record, NACD evaluates ALL children. Gifted, typical and

delayed. Their deal is improving weaknesses and building upon

strengths... in all kids regardless of label.

I am actually not taking my speech kid there for a specific delay as

much as to see where he is in different areas, work on it myself and

use the info in collaboration with the ST and mainstream docs.

My daughter is NT, gifted in fact, but appears to have early AP

issues that even the teacher is noticing. I am curious what NACD says

but am letting them look for it rather than pointing toward it. We

shall see what they say.