Re: Auto immune theory: is there a link?

July 16, 2008

Thank you for posting this information. It is a very interesting theory,

and I too believe a lot of the autoimmune disorders (among which autism is

considered by many to be one) are connected and can impair neurological function

among other things.

Diabetics stand a much higher chance of developing Alzheimer's and Parkinson's

and other diseases which at this point are still considered purely neurological

in nature, but I know there's a lot of research that shows a link between all

these and nutrition, viral and bacterial infections which are all stressors that

can not only push the immune system over the edge, but have directly been

implicated in diseases such as Alzheimer's for example where it was noted that

people with Herpes Symplex (which well over 50% of Americans test positive for)

were also more likely to develop Alzheimer's and it was theorized that somehow

the latent viral infection prevents the brain cells from recovering as they do

in the rest of the population when toxic elements like heavy metals or even food

peptides attack. Over time, this leads to cell death and facilitates the amyloid

plack formation we call Alzheimer's.

It is also well known that the brain produces its own insulin and some have gone

as far as claiming that Alzheiner's is a disease of impaired insulin production

in the brain, sort of another type of diabetes and yes, by all means an

autoimmune disease. There is so much research out there, and the advances in

laboratory technology have allowed for so much more knowledge and understanding

about how our brain/body functions to emerge.

So yes, the immune system is definitely implicated in all chronic degenerative

illnesses, and 80% of it is located in the gut. So the absorption /nutrition

factors are also critical. I'm so glad there are more and more researchers

coming up with these theories because it really is the direction mainstream

medicine will have to go ito eventually and give up the Cartesian mind/body

split model that have defined it for so long.

Thank you again and yes, please forward any such information in the future, for

many it just may be the thing that clicks and leads to further investigations

and greater awareness of what we put into our bodies.

-All the best,

Elena

kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...> wrote: Hi everyone -I have permission from the

author to share an

interesting theory here that was sent to my husband via email. It

caught Glenn's eye because unlike most emails he receives about

diabetes, glucose, prediabetes due to GlucoRx - this one talks about

the link to autism as well -so he shared it with me. I've already

shared with a few people offlist from this group and thought others

here would find it interesting and it opens the door for me to talk

about just one other aspect we found down the road with Tanner. The

product she's talking about my husband and I got behind due to the

health crisis type 2 diabetes is today -how it's on the rise in

younger ages, even children, and the fact this product has benign

all natural ingredients that were validated in a double blind,

placebo controlled clinical study in which the A1c readings were

lowered by over 3% -nearly 3 times better than the most effective

parmaceutical! (all that is on the site plus a peer review)

http://www.glucosrx.com My one co author of The Late Talker Malcolm

wrote this press release for it

http://www.prlog.org/10087709-diabetes-drugs-outperformed-by-nutritional-supplem\

ent.html

When Tanner had that one huge blood test recommended I said

all was normal -because it was for the most part in regards to

carnotine etc - the only thing that showed up as a flag was his sugar

was " slightly " elevated. So the ped wanted to test that again. I

only put him on this for a few months because honestly Tanner's diet

is really good for the most part as we all eat healthy and organic

and raw here as much as possible and he's active but why wasn't that

enough for him?!! (this is another reason we push him so much with

exercise as I know that helps too) Tanner no longer has to take

GlucosRx and his blood sugar tests normal at all times now thank God

(last time we met my friend and family at Disney a few weeks

ago she tested Tanner a few times even soon after he ate Disney

deserts and he was normal -'s not only an internist in Brick NJ

through the Barnabas system but a diabetic. said

GlucosRx " blows her mind " ) Even though thankfully we don't deal with

diabetes in our family...we want to keep it that way so we test

Tanner here and there just to make sure he stays normal. It is a

bit scary when your child has a slightly elevated sugar when you look

at today's 24 million diabetes + 57 million prediabetes stats

and know that you don't want your not even 12 year

old yet stuck on medications for the rest of their life if there's a

way to prevent that. I do think that there is probably some link to

the rise we are seeing in communication impairments but don't know if

Colleen's theory is on track or not.

I can't post the rest of the very long theory here (below is a

synopsis) but it was sent in 3 emails which I can forward on or

since I'm posting with permission to give her name and email you can

contact the author directly!

My theory on what is happening behind the GlucoRxTM results..

Mr. Glenn W. Geng,

I am not a doctor but I have a theory on what is causing the Auto

Immune

disease epidemic.. I don't know if you would be interested in it but

I

thought I might try to contact you cause I can see from your results

with

GlucoRxTM, that it could connect to my theory...

Theory is that we are consuming way in excess nutrient inhibitors

such as

oxalic and phytic acids and estrogen in products with Soy as

ingredients,

because soy is in approximately 90% of the processed foods in one

form or

another... What this is doing I believe is inhibiting the calcium and

the

iron as well as other nutrients, that the Cells can pick up.... This

blockage in the nutrient delivery system occurs when insoluble

calcium salts

become excessive in the bones and the interstitial fluid, this

disrupts the

negative feedback system of the Pth and the calcitionin, by

inhibiting/neutralizing the PTH...This leads to a disruption in the

Osteoclast and the osteoblast...These disruptions are the beginning

of the

Auto-immune response that the medical establishment views as

disruptions..

Instead, it is the internal systems are entering into the (GAS)

General

adaptation syndrome of the stress response and the early stages of

the shock

response, and the negative feedback system for low blood pressure..

These

responses are activated attempting to correct deficient nutrients not

so

much in the blood but in the cells because of the blockage in the

delivery

system, is between the blood vessel and the cell... the body would

perceive

the lack of nutrients as a lack of sufficient nutritious rich blood,

(or a

low supply of blood)...The GAS stage allows the internal environment

to be

readjusted and the blood pressure and the blood glucose levels can

rise in

excess...

The blockage in the calcium creates a weakness in the muscle

contraction in

the heart, this causes the low blood pressure negative feedback

system to

be activated, creating increased blood pressure... The disruption

in iron

that is inhibited by the oxalic and phytic acids andexcessive

phosphates and

estrogen lead to deficient oxygen in the cellular respiration

electron

transport chain, this inhibits the metabolism of ATP...And in the

stress

response the human growth hormone is activated and over long term it

causes

beta cell burn out and leads to diabetes... The body being inhibited

from

producing ATPs leads the body to think there is a scaricity of fuel

to

produce the ATPs, and glucose is this fuel needed for this process,

so when

the neurons are threatened with ATP scaricity the hgh is secreted

and

functions to stop the other cells from taking up glucose to save the

supply

for neurons to function...So the glucose levels become excessive...As

the

glucose levels rise this causes a disruption in the Transport Maxium

which

opens up gaps in the endothelia cells and the proteins escape in the

urine

creating large volumes of urine... The lack of metbolsim of ATPs

disrupt the

metabolic water creating dehydration and lowered temperatures.. The

Cell

starvation keeps the hunger centers stimulated so the satisfied

centers are

never activated creating continued hunger...Also the slowed down

blood in

the muscle contractions lead to the veins becoming clogged up due to

slow

moving blood...

I don't know if you would be interested but I have connected these

dots

through reading the Anatomy and Physiology books... I truely believe

that

all of the Auto-immune diseases are steming from the lack of

nutrients

getting in the cell, I feel a blood test would tell very little but

a Cells

test would tell the complete picture all...I have read that these

acids

toxicities can be treated up to a point in animals but if their ions

become

disrupted that is fatal... and I have read that their is such a thing

as

resistance to treatment potassium disruptions... I feel if the

nutrients are

put back in to the cells things such as stem cells would begin to

work, I

feel the stem cells are disrupted and the body cannot repair its own

self

because the lack of oxygen in the lysosmes would cause them to

rupture and

burst releasing their contents which destroy stem cells and other

neuroglia

and neurons... This would be the key to healing spinal injuries, MS,

Alzheimers, Parkinson's and other nerve disorders... Lack of

nutrients in

the cells I believe is the reason for Autism and Birth defects, and

the

osteoclast and osteoblast is the bone disruptions, and the lack of

calcium

ions is the disruption leading to heart disease and the nerve action

potential diseases...

I have connected many of these diseases to this disruption in the

delievery

of nutrients to the cells, if you would be interested in this

information I

would be glad to send it to you...I am just a common ole person

suffering

from MG, and I have delved into the information on auto-immune

disease and

the cause for about 5 years now, and I would be glad to share it with

anyone

interested in this subject....

Colleen Darnell

12452 Platte Dr.

Grovespring, MO 65662

munchiej@...

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July 17, 2008

" > Thank you again and yes, please forward any such information in

the future, for many it just may be the thing that clicks and leads

to further investigations and greater awareness of what we put into

our bodies.

> -All the best,

> Elena "

I didn't know if these messages pertain to this group or if anyone is

interested since you are the only one that asked for more. I just

was passed another from Glenn from a woman in purchasing for one of

the largest distributers to pharmacies who is purchasing GlucosRx for

prediabetes and type 2 diabetes. " K " was very excited when she

looked at the clinical trial of GlucosRx and how it may be beneficial

to her and her friends because of a condition called Polycystic Ovary

Syndrome/PCOS. I looked it up and found this site about it:

http://www.4woman.gov/FAQ/pcos.htm

Here's the email from K that I found interesting.

RE: FW: Information needed for set-up

Hello Glen,

Here is a little bit of info about PCOS (Polycystic Ovary Syndrome ):

a lot of what you told me about GlucosRx sounds like it could be

beneficial to women like myself with this disorder. Also, a lot of

women with PCOS (a few personal friends of mine actually) won't take

the Metformin (glucophage) because of the side effects. It makes you

very nauseous and sick for the first couple of months.

Glen, this is really an untapped market, there are not too many

products out there other than the RX products that produce results

for women with PCOS. Thanks for all your info on the GlucosRx today.

Have a great day.

What causes polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS)?

The cause of PCOS is unknown. Most researchers think that more than

one factor could play a role in developing PCOS. Genes are thought to

be one factor. Women with PCOS tend to have a mother or sister with

PCOS. Researchers also think insulin could be linked to PCOS. Insulin

is a hormone that controls the change of sugar, starches, and other

food into energy for the body to use or store. For many women with

PCOS, their bodies have problems using insulin so that too much

insulin is in the body. Excess insulin appears to increase production

of androgen. This hormone is made in fat cells, the ovaries, and the

adrenal gland. Levels of androgen that are higher than normal can

lead to acne, excessive hair growth, weight gain, and problems with

ovulation.

How is polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) treated?

Because there is no cure for PCOS, it needs to be managed to prevent

problems. Treatment goals are based on your symptoms, whether or not

you want to become pregnant, and lowering your chances of getting

heart disease and diabetes. Many women will need a combination of

treatments to meet these goals. Some treatments for PCOS include:

Diabetes medications. The medicine metformin (Glucophage®) is used to

treat type 2 diabetes. It also has been found to help with PCOS

symptoms, although it is not FDA-approved for this use. Metformin

affects the way insulin controls blood glucose (sugar) and lowers

testosterone production. Abnormal hair growth will slow down, and

ovulation may return after a few months of use. Recent research has

shown metformin to have other positive effects, such as decreased

body mass and improved cholesterol levels. Metformin will not cause a

person to become diabetic.

Does polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) put women at risk for other

health problems?

Women with PCOS have greater chances of developing several serious,

life-threatening diseases, including type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular

disease (CVD), and cancer. Recent studies found that:

More than 50 percent of women with PCOS will have diabetes or pre-

diabetes (impaired glucose tolerance) before the age of 40.

Women with PCOS have a four to seven times higher risk of heart

attack than women of the same age without PCOS.

Women with PCOS are at greater risk of having high blood pressure.

Women with PCOS have high levels of LDL (bad) cholesterol and low

levels of HDL (good) cholesterol.

(deleted)

Purchasing

(deleted name of company)

~~~~~~~~~~end of email

And here's what I found about autoimmune and this condition:

" Abstract

There are conflicting reports of an association of ovarian

antibodies, detected by immunofluorescence, with polycystic ovary

syndrome (PCOS). The objective of this study was to evaluate the

association of ovarian autoimmunity with PCOS. A validated

immunoassay for ovarian antibodies was used to assess serum from

women with PCOS and with menopause and normal cycling women as

controls. The frequency of ovarian antibodies was similar (25%) among

the controls and PCOS. Thus, unlike the association of ovarian

antibodies detected with this test in patients with unexplained

infertility and premature menopause, the prevalence of ovarian

antibody in patients with PCOS is not significantly different to

controls

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0165037898000801

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July 17, 2008

Hi ,

Yes thank you I do value all info that pertains to autoimmune dysfunction

because for one thing, I feel that my daughter's metabolic disorders are linked

to immune dysfunction in her case and I don't know which cam first, it's one of

those chicken and egg things---her skin conditions in particular (scalp

psoriasis, eczema and yeast) are all obvious immune issues, and yes, the liver

is always implicated somehow in autoimmune dysfunction but her liver panel seems

normal so far so we're left with the rest of the autoimmune puzzle.

Plus my husband is at the very least gluten intolerant (though he tested

borderline and has only on and off digestive issues so he likes to pretend it's

all temporary) and has some weird thing going on with his intake of sugar -- in

his case he skips the high and goes straight into a low, affects him for days

brain fog, irritability, sleep problems, a lot of issues that are exacerbated

by sugar only in his case it's an extreme reaction and is getting progressively

worse. His blood work is pretty normal but they never did a challenge test to

see exactly what happens. He stays away from it usually but indulges once in a

while so it's good to know that there are " helpers " there. We need to test him

more though and figure out exactly what the mechanism is.

I also have a number of acquaintances from my infertility days who do have

policystic ovarian syndrome, not to mention that children with immune issues are

more likely to develop PCOS as adults etc etc. When the immune system is under

assault autoimmune disease pops its ugly head almost always with insulin issues

and other metabolic disorders. These things are all linked, and it's very

complex so I'll pass this on. Thank you.

Elena

kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...> wrote: " > Thank you again and yes, please

forward any such information in