Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 In a message dated 5/31/03 7:31:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JillBKern@... writes: > Dear Roxanna, > You certainly get an " A " from me! The great thing about making a booklet is > that it gave him something to show with facts he could read out loud, so > that he didn't get tongue-tied in front of the class! > Good thinking on your part! > Jill > Thanks! Actually I was picture him standing there and not knowing what to say so that's when I thought about making the booklet! Roxanna ôô What doesn't kill us Makes us really mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 In a message dated 5/31/03 8:51:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinters@... writes: > Roxanna, > You get an " A " in my book, too! I have a daughter in first grade and > they haven't had any projects...THANK GOD!!! > > Kathy > I thought this project was a little ambitious for his grade/age myself. He was not that interested in doing it and it was work to keep him going so that it was his project and not all mine. I mean, we glued pipe cleaners into the box and then stuck ponpoms on them to make the trees. After 3 or 4 ponpoms, Reece was done! lol. I'm like, " hey...it's supposed to be a FOREST over here.... " And we still had to put the grassland in! lol. Roxanna ôô What doesn't kill us Makes us really mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 > Dear Roxanna, > You certainly get an " A " from me! The great thing about making a booklet is > that it gave him something to show with facts he could read out loud, so > that he didn't get tongue-tied in front of the class! > Good thinking on your part! > Jill Roxanna, You get an " A " in my book, too! I have a daughter in first grade and they haven't had any projects...THANK GOD!!! Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 In a message dated 5/31/03 10:04:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinters@... writes: > I think often that if school was the way it was when I was a child, > my sons would be having a lot easier time. When I was a kid, we went > to school, did our work, had a little homework and took tests. There > was none of this attempt to be creative and make it interesting. My > kids would do much better if they just had to learn the science > information, instead of being expected to make a poem out of the > parts of cell. LOL! > ROFL, oh yes. And my big gripe has been that they change basic things. Like in math - they invent new ways to do the same math problems. And then the kids have to learn all the different ways. I often do the problem the right way (lol, MY way) and they have to figure out how to get that answer their way. Ugh! Why fix what isn't broken??? Roxanna ö¿ö " ...don't forget what happened to the man who suddenly got everything he'd ever wished for... He lived happily ever after. " Willy Wonka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 > In a message dated 5/31/03 8:51:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > rwinters@b... writes: > > > Roxanna, > > You get an " A " in my book, too! I have a daughter in first grade and > > they haven't had any projects...THANK GOD!!! > > > > Kathy > > > > I thought this project was a little ambitious for his grade/age myself. He > was not that interested in doing it and it was work to keep him going so that > it was his project and not all mine. I mean, we glued pipe cleaners into the > box and then stuck ponpoms on them to make the trees. After 3 or 4 ponpoms, > Reece was done! lol. I'm like, " hey...it's supposed to be a FOREST over > here.... " And we still had to put the grassland in! lol. > > Roxanna ôô LOL! Don't you just wonder what teachers are thinking sometimes. I mean, they spend hours a day with these 6 and 7 year old children. They should know what they are capable of, and that the vast majority are not going to be able to do an assignment like that without SIGNIFICANT parental input. So, why give the parents an assignment? The parents aren't the ones going to school. If the assignment is beyond the classes developmental abilities, it shouldn't be given. But more and more teachers seem to be assigning projects that are beyond the classes abilities. What is that about? I think often that if school was the way it was when I was a child, my sons would be having a lot easier time. When I was a kid, we went to school, did our work, had a little homework and took tests. There was none of this attempt to be creative and make it interesting. My kids would do much better if they just had to learn the science information, instead of being expected to make a poem out of the parts of cell. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 In a message dated 5/31/03 5:35:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rwinters@... writes: > So there we sit - two intelligent people who know > the answer to the problem, but are fighting over the fact that we > can't figure out how to write it for the teacher. At what point did > math stop being about being able to solve the problem and become > about being able to follow rote procedures? > lol, lol. Yep! That's exactly how I feel. Roxanna ò¿ò It makes sense to go up the molehill dressed for the mountain Nan, the Wiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 > In a message dated 5/31/03 10:04:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > rwinters@b... writes: > > > I think often that if school was the way it was when I was a child, > > my sons would be having a lot easier time. When I was a kid, we went > > to school, did our work, had a little homework and took tests. There > > was none of this attempt to be creative and make it interesting. My > > kids would do much better if they just had to learn the science > > information, instead of being expected to make a poem out of the > > parts of cell. LOL! > > > > ROFL, oh yes. And my big gripe has been that they change basic things. Like > in math - they invent new ways to do the same math problems. And then the > kids have to learn all the different ways. I often do the problem the right way > (lol, MY way) and they have to figure out how to get that answer their way. > Ugh! Why fix what isn't broken??? > Roxanna ö¿ö Oh I sooooo agree!!! I have always been good at math, but I can't help very often because he problem is always with the process. The darn kid can often figure out the answer in his head, but he's freaking out because he can't figure out how to write it the way the teacher taught it....and the way the teacher taught it is NEVER the way I learned it. So there we sit - two intelligent people who know the answer to the problem, but are fighting over the fact that we can't figure out how to write it for the teacher. At what point did math stop being about being able to solve the problem and become about being able to follow rote procedures? Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 > In a message dated 5/31/03 5:35:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rwinters@b... writes: > > > So there we sit - two intelligent people who know > > the answer to the problem, but are fighting over the fact that we > > can't figure out how to write it for the teacher. At what point did > > math stop being about being able to solve the problem and become > > about being able to follow rote procedures? > > > > lol, lol. Yep! That's exactly how I feel. > Roxanna > ò¿ò It's funny, but it's not, because - and this is just my opinion - but I think it discourages innovative thinking. I should write a book about the absurdities in the education system - how, in this quest for the ever higher standardized test scores (which a lot of people seem to believe is the ultimate measure of a quality education), our education system keeps slipping further and further into absurdity and further and further away from it's actual goal - to create people who can solve problems innovatively and aren't afraid to think outside the box. Instead, I fear we're creating a generation of kids, many of whom are so stressed out that the use of anxiety medication and anti-depressants is on the rise, not to mention the suicide rate among teens. Speaking of boxes, I'll climb down off my soapbox now... Kathy, smiling sheepishly ;> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 As far as I can tell, this occurred when math introduced the concept of variables - probably during pre-algebra. I know exactly what you mean, though. Throughout pre-algebra and algebra, would just write down the answer, which would drive his teachers up a wall. I don't know if he's still doing that in geometry or not. Liz Kathy Winters wrote: > At what point did > math stop being about being able to solve the problem and become > about being able to follow rote procedures? > > Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 All this talk about homework and projects is giving me hives. It took me exactly 3 years of homework and projects to hit my stopping point. It was beyond ridicolous. I was in school all over again. And what was my son getting from all of this? The homework was partly beneficial, but there was simply too much. Esp as I was spending lot's of time on his weak areas in addition to it. And the school refused to write any accomodations. And this was w/ his developmentally delayed IEP. And then each year the projects got harder and there were more of them. In third grade my son had a monthly book report. And I was doing atleast 75% of it. Yet by then he only had a speech IEP. And the school was not acknowledging his weak areas. I decided I was hurting our cause. The school needed to see how badly he was struggling. This school yr, which is thankfully coming to an end, we switched schools. I have been making my son do all of his own homework and projects. I help by setting a routine. And I pull out what he needs. I break it down when necessary. And I even go over it w/ him. But what he turns in is his work. Sadly this school has lower standards. So they still think his work is fine. Also they are not into projects. He's had only 3 all year. I am so worried about what will happen later. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 > > ROFL, oh yes. And my big gripe has been that they change basic things. Like > in math - they invent new ways to do the same math problems. And then the > kids have to learn all the different ways. I often do the problem the right way > (lol, MY way) and they have to figure out how to get that answer their way. > Ugh! Why fix what isn't broken??? That's another reason i stoped helping w/ his homework. ly this new math is beyond me. I know my multiplication tables. I learned it by practicing. My almost 10 yro still struggles. Yet if I try teaching him the old fashoioned way he gets upset. That's NOT what my teacher says. Etc. Argh. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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