Re: Digest Number 4414

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Hi all, I don't write often and don't find time to participate much. I hope

that I don't get kicked off because of that. My son was recently diagnosed with

AS, so I am just beginning with this. He is 10 and can get very stuck on

things. When he gets it in his mind that he wants to do something or earn money

to

buy something, he can't quite with it. It drive us nuts. He has to do it!

Sooner or later he usually manages what he wants, which could mean he has wore

us

down. Does anyone know of any medications that might help this

compulsiveness? Thanks, Lydia , WY

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In a message dated 9/20/2003 5:11:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,

SageEmbers@... writes:

> Does anyone know of any medications that might help this

> compulsiveness? Thanks, Lydia , WY

Hi Lydia and welcome, my son does the same thing. I give him a medication

called tinture of time lol, b/c as soon as he gets obsessed with one thing its

on to another thing.

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wrote:

> I give him a medication

> called tinture of time lol,

> b/c as soon as he gets obsessed

> with one thing its

> on to another thing.

Loved that one. Yes, it's about the only thing that works.

Perseveration, a two-edged sword.

Anne

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<<<Hi all, I don't write often and don't find time to participate much. I hope

that I don't get kicked off because of that.>

Geez, Roxanna, it must be really rough out there in cyber-list-world.

Chapeau to you (again!) for keeping this wonderful list of accepting ,

encouraging, knowledgeable yet humble people!!!

WELCOME TO ALL new members!!

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>

> <<<Hi all, I don't write often and don't find time to participate

much. I hope

> that I don't get kicked off because of that.>

>

> Geez, Roxanna, it must be really rough out there in cyber-list-

world.

> Chapeau to you (again!) for keeping this wonderful list of

accepting , encouraging, knowledgeable yet humble people!!!

>

> WELCOME TO ALL new members!!

> F

For some reason, the nicest people find their way to our list. :-)

Roxanna

[Guest guest]

Hi

Just read some more msgs:

> Somehow, the Belgian laborator which Hertoghe uses has a higher upper

> range on both Hemoglobine and Hematocrite. WEIRD, or what? According to

> THOSE ranges, I don't have very thick blood or a lot of it. Take a look at

> the top of that scan! That sample is from February 2010, and was the first

> blood sample I did before seeing Dr. Hertoghe the first time. I am talking

> about my Hematocrite TODAY and my Hemoglobin TODAY, compared to the ranges

> on that test! Testosterone: Let's look at the Bottom Half of this scan ok?

> http://nightrangerweb.net/health/RomanPaisLaboratory11thofFebruary2010_2Th

> omas.pdf.JPG It's written in English so it's easy to understand. My FREE

> Testosterone was at 153 pg/mL before starting TRT. The range is: 50 - 280

> pg/mL. Hertoghe said that for a man my age, 31, I should be somewhere

> towards the upper range, 280. Well, on the next blood test he did with me

> in June 2010, while ON TRT, my FREE Testosterone was at 615 pg/mL and like

> twice the upper range level! Hertoghe was happy with it but also said that

> my real level was probably a bit lower cause I didn't follow his

> directions of swithing from applying the gel in the morning, to doing it

> in the evening 3 nights before the blood test (this is his system!) - I

> only applied the gel in the evening 2 nights before the blood draw.

> Looking at this first test again, on the bottom half of the scan, my TOTAL

> testosterone, which is Testosterone + SHBG, right? (Please confirm this is

> how they calculate the TOTAL!) - I was at 95.6% which is great! I have

> always (!) had a high TOTAL. Always. Some docs say the TOTAL is what

> matters. But Hertoghe says S-Testosterone (what is that btw?) and FREE

> Testosterone is what matters, not the TOTAL. My S-Testosterone, whatever

> that is, was at 3467 pg/mL in February. In June, while on TRT, it had gone

> up to 9851 pg/mL. The range is 3000 - 10.000 pg/mL. Btw my E2 was 12 pg/mL

> in February, on the second test in June it had gone up to 25 pg/mL. The

> range is <30 pg/mL. So, what do you think, buddy? Did I need TRT?

>

>

Firstly I am not medically qualified: I am a Scientist.

When you have a blood test the results come back with a hospital / laboratory

range and that

is the only range to use with your results - Hence why we always ask for the

range when

quoting results.

Do not look at other ranges as these might be quite wrong for your blood test

result.

Each laboratory decides how they will  test for something and so the ranges can

vary for the

type of testing even for the same item such as Testosterone, Haemocrit etc etc.

Free Testosterone levels are not that useful when considering a patients'

overall profile as it

can change within seconds whereas Total testosterone tends to stay the same for

a longer

period.

Just stopping your testosterone especially for what is a medical emergency when

Haemocrit

is too high is not a problem. You do not want a stroke!!

Telephone your Consultant Endocrinologist and ask for urgent advice or ask his

PA/secretary

to book an urgent appointment but in the meantime stop the Tesosterone so your

blood does

not get any thicker.

As to the Vitamin K - Do you have a blood clotting problem?

Best wishes,

On 14 Aug 2010 at 21:52, wrote:

> There are 15 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1.1. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now!

> From: philip georgian

> 1.2. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now!

> From: philip georgian

> 1.3. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now!

> From:

>

> 2a. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From:

> 2b. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From: Gibcast

> 2c. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From: philip georgian

> 2d. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From: Steve

> 2e. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From: philip georgian

> 2f. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From:

> 2g. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From: philip georgian

>

> 3. (Fwd) Digest Number 4412

> From: Dr Randle

>

> 4a. For Phil to answer if possible

> From: royalblue02@...

> 4b. Re: For Phil to answer if possible

> From: philip georgian

> 4c. Re: For Phil to answer if possible

> From: royalblue02@...

>

> 5. Just got back from drawing new blood!

> From: Gibcast

>

>

> Messages

> ____________________________________________________________________

> ____

> 1.1. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now!

> Posted by: " philip georgian " pmgamer18@... pmgamer18

> Date: Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:25 am ((PDT))

>

> I am not sure what K2 will do from what I read about it and what my

> Heart Dr. is doing I figured I don't need it.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not taking a

> > lot

> > > of

> > > > DHEA,

> > > > > only 35

> > > > > > mg

> > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > day, and my levels are

> > still

> > > low

> > > > range,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't

> > it

> > > only

> > > > excess

> > > > > DHEA

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > too much it will

> > convert

> > > wrongly?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day

> > in

> > > my

> > > > hubby

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > converting to

> > > > > > > > E2

> > > > > > > > > or something that made

> > him

> > > more

> > > > > depressed.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > stopped

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > DHEA, he came right

> > back.

> > > When you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > hormonally

> > > > > > > > off,

> > > > > > > > > everything converts

> > every

> > > which

> > > > way, in

> > > > > ways

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > think. To further

> > complicate

> > > > matters,

> > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > somehow

> > > > > > > > > interrelated. You

> > certainly

> > > do

> > > > not

> > > > > follow

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > arrows

> > > > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > > normal conversion chart

> > > !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >   

> > >   

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

> > this

> > > > message

> > > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I do not have a blood clotting problem as I aware of. I just started taking K2

cause the Japanese eat a lot of K2 in their sier (sushi/noriweed) and they have

much less heart problems than we have here in the West. I also wanted my calcium

to go to my bones instead of staying in my arteries. K2 helps with this.

However, I guess it could really make my blood thicker. So I quit it today. I

took 100 mcg daily for 1 year.

I am still confused about free testosterone, total testosterone etc. What is

serum testosterone? And in norway there s such a thing ss testosterone index

which is free multiplied with 10 times the SHBG value.

Have you seen my labs from before and under TRT?

Did new hematocrit and hemoglobin tonight. No impovment yet. Its web

thicker/more volume now.

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 15. aug. 2010 kl. 00.37 skrev " Dr Randle " <peter_randle@...>:

Hi

Just read some more msgs:

> Somehow, the Belgian laborator which Hertoghe uses has a higher upper

> range on both Hemoglobine and Hematocrite. WEIRD, or what? According to

> THOSE ranges, I don't have very thick blood or a lot of it. Take a look at

> the top of that scan! That sample is from February 2010, and was the first

> blood sample I did before seeing Dr. Hertoghe the first time. I am talking

> about my Hematocrite TODAY and my Hemoglobin TODAY, compared to the ranges

> on that test! Testosterone: Let's look at the Bottom Half of this scan ok?

> http://nightrangerweb.net/health/RomanPaisLaboratory11thofFebruary2010_2Th

> omas.pdf.JPG It's written in English so it's easy to understand. My FREE

> Testosterone was at 153 pg/mL before starting TRT. The range is: 50 - 280

> pg/mL. Hertoghe said that for a man my age, 31, I should be somewhere

> towards the upper range, 280. Well, on the next blood test he did with me

> in June 2010, while ON TRT, my FREE Testosterone was at 615 pg/mL and like

> twice the upper range level! Hertoghe was happy with it but also said that

> my real level was probably a bit lower cause I didn't follow his

> directions of swithing from applying the gel in the morning, to doing it

> in the evening 3 nights before the blood test (this is his system!) - I

> only applied the gel in the evening 2 nights before the blood draw.

> Looking at this first test again, on the bottom half of the scan, my TOTAL

> testosterone, which is Testosterone + SHBG, right? (Please confirm this is

> how they calculate the TOTAL!) - I was at 95.6% which is great! I have

> always (!) had a high TOTAL. Always. Some docs say the TOTAL is what

> matters. But Hertoghe says S-Testosterone (what is that btw?) and FREE

> Testosterone is what matters, not the TOTAL. My S-Testosterone, whatever

> that is, was at 3467 pg/mL in February. In June, while on TRT, it had gone

> up to 9851 pg/mL. The range is 3000 - 10.000 pg/mL. Btw my E2 was 12 pg/mL

> in February, on the second test in June it had gone up to 25 pg/mL. The

> range is <30 pg/mL. So, what do you think, buddy? Did I need TRT?

>

>

Firstly I am not medically qualified: I am a Scientist.

When you have a blood test the results come back with a hospital / laboratory

range and that

is the only range to use with your results - Hence why we always ask for the

range when

quoting results.

Do not look at other ranges as these might be quite wrong for your blood test

result.

Each laboratory decides how they will test for something and so the ranges can

vary for the

type of testing even for the same item such as Testosterone, Haemocrit etc etc.

Free Testosterone levels are not that useful when considering a patients'

overall profile as it

can change within seconds whereas Total testosterone tends to stay the same for

a longer

period.

Just stopping your testosterone especially for what is a medical emergency when

Haemocrit

is too high is not a problem. You do not want a stroke!!

Telephone your Consultant Endocrinologist and ask for urgent advice or ask his

PA/secretary

to book an urgent appointment but in the meantime stop the Tesosterone so your

blood does

not get any thicker.

As to the Vitamin K - Do you have a blood clotting problem?

Best wishes,

On 14 Aug 2010 at 21:52, wrote:

> There are 15 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1.1. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now!

> From: philip georgian

> 1.2. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now!

> From: philip georgian

> 1.3. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now!

> From:

>

> 2a. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From:

> 2b. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From: Gibcast

> 2c. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From: philip georgian

> 2d. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From: Steve

> 2e. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From: philip georgian

> 2f. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From:

> 2g. Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> From: philip georgian

>

> 3. (Fwd) Digest Number 4412

> From: Dr Randle

>

> 4a. For Phil to answer if possible

> From: royalblue02@...

> 4b. Re: For Phil to answer if possible

> From: philip georgian

> 4c. Re: For Phil to answer if possible

> From: royalblue02@...

>

> 5. Just got back from drawing new blood!

> From: Gibcast

>

>

> Messages

> __________________________________________________________

> ____

> 1.1. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now!

> Posted by: " philip georgian " pmgamer18@... pmgamer18

> Date: Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:25 am ((PDT))

>

> I am not sure what K2 will do from what I read about it and what my

> Heart Dr. is doing I figured I don't need it.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I am not taking a

> > lot

> > > of

> > > > DHEA,

> > > > > only 35

> > > > > > mg

> > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > day, and my levels are

> > still

> > > low

> > > > range,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't

> > it

> > > only

> > > > excess

> > > > > DHEA

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > > too much it will

> > convert

> > > wrongly?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day

> > in

> > > my

> > > > hubby

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > converting to

> > > > > > > > E2

> > > > > > > > > or something that made

> > him

> > > more

> > > > > depressed.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > stopped

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > DHEA, he came right

> > back.

> > > When you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > hormonally

> > > > > > > > off,

> > > > > > > > > everything converts

> > every

> > > which

> > > > way, in

> > > > > ways

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > think. To further

> > complicate

> > > > matters,

> > > > > > everything

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > somehow

> > > > > > > > > interrelated. You

> > certainly

> > > do

> > > > not

> > > > > follow

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > arrows

> > > > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > > > normal conversion chart

> > > !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of

> > this

> > > > message

> > > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >