Re: My Aspie Failed 8th Grade

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In a message dated 5/16/2003 7:12:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

itchy10@... writes:

> From what I have been told this morning Zach(14) has failed 8th grade. I

> have to get my thoughts together and find out what I can do to not continue

> to " lose " him in the system.

>

> With school out I can take him for the intact interview for psych and go

> from there. Maybe if I can put him thru counseling and get a formal letter

> from the doc concerning the asperger's they may make an exception. I doubt

> it tho.

>

> MISSY

> SAHM to some special kids!!!

>

Missy,

Is there any way he can do an independent study over the summer to catch

up? Kind of like homeschool for the 3 months......its amazing how much can

be done at home versus in the classroom. I don't know if that would work for

him or for you, but an idea nonetheless.

Johanna

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That would be the same as summer school and they said he dosen't qualify. Even

tho I know he could do it all in a crash course over the summer.

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

Re: ( ) My Aspie Failed 8th Grade

In a message dated 5/16/2003 7:12:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

itchy10@... writes:

> From what I have been told this morning Zach(14) has failed 8th grade. I

> have to get my thoughts together and find out what I can do to not continue

> to " lose " him in the system.

>

> With school out I can take him for the intact interview for psych and go

> from there. Maybe if I can put him thru counseling and get a formal letter

> from the doc concerning the asperger's they may make an exception. I doubt

> it tho.

>

> MISSY

> SAHM to some special kids!!!

>

Missy,

Is there any way he can do an independent study over the summer to catch

up? Kind of like homeschool for the 3 months......its amazing how much can

be done at home versus in the classroom. I don't know if that would work for

him or for you, but an idea nonetheless.

Johanna

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In a message dated 5/16/03 1:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

itchy10@... writes:

> That would be the same as summer school and they said he dosen't qualify.

> Even tho I know he could do it all in a crash course over the summer.

>

He failed and he doesn't qualify for summer school? I always thought that is

what summer school was for - kids who didn't get it during the school year?

Does he have an IEP?

Roxanna

ò¿ò

It makes sense to go up the molehill

dressed for the mountain

Nan, the Wiser

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In a message dated 5/16/03 4:28:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kneeleee@...

writes:

> He failed and he doesn't qualify for summer school? I always thought that

> is

> what summer school was for - kids who didn't get it during the school year?

>

> Does he have an IEP?

>

In our school, they can't make up enough classes to NOT fail. THey can make

up any classes they failed, up to I think two. But two classes wouldn't stop

them from passing to the next grade.

Connie

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I'm just going to throw up there because my daughter has to go to summer

school, maybe he did it deliberately? That's why she wouldn't turn in her

work or anything... thinking that she doesn't have to go to her dad's if she

fails... just a thought...

( ) My Aspie Failed 8th Grade

>

>

> From what I have been told this morning Zach(14) has failed 8th grade. I

have to get my thoughts together and find out what I can do to not continue

to " lose " him in the system.

>

> With school out I can take him for the intact interview for psych and go

from there. Maybe if I can put him thru counseling and get a formal letter

from the doc concerning the asperger's they may make an exception. I doubt

it tho.

>

> MISSY

> SAHM to some special kids!!!

>

> Excuse Me While I Go

> Raise Tomorrow's Future.

>

>

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He didn't want to go to summer school and he certainly didn't want to fail. I am

still leaning towards him being bored. As far as not turning in his work I am

perplexed about that. Is it an age thing? Until last year he always turned in

his homework and did all projects.

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

( ) My Aspie Failed 8th Grade

>

>

> From what I have been told this morning Zach(14) has failed 8th grade. I

have to get my thoughts together and find out what I can do to not continue

to " lose " him in the system.

>

> With school out I can take him for the intact interview for psych and go

from there. Maybe if I can put him thru counseling and get a formal letter

from the doc concerning the asperger's they may make an exception. I doubt

it tho.

>

> MISSY

> SAHM to some special kids!!!

>

> Excuse Me While I Go

> Raise Tomorrow's Future.

>

>

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In a message dated 5/16/2003 1:37:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

itchy10@... writes:

> That would be the same as summer school and they said he dosen't qualify.

> Even tho I know he could do it all in a crash course over the summer.

>

Just curious what their reasons for him not qualifying were?

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In a message dated 5/16/2003 1:04:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

itchy10@... writes:

> As far as not turning in his work I am perplexed about that. Is it an age

> thing? Until last year he always turned in his homework and did all

> projects.

>

I have to add that this was a major problem this year with my 6th grader.

Suddenly could care less about homework and whether or not he got zeros on

assignments. It definitely affected his grades. Plus he had a very bad year

with his teacher...so bad he was just recently switched after having a rather

explosive outburst...I had been warning the school for months and they just

kept trying to bandaid the problem. Pam

[Guest guest]

No he doesn't have an IEP. Summer school is only if you fail one or 2

classes--he has failed 4.

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

Re: ( ) My Aspie Failed 8th Grade

In a message dated 5/16/03 1:37:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

itchy10@... writes:

> That would be the same as summer school and they said he dosen't qualify.

> Even tho I know he could do it all in a crash course over the summer.

>

He failed and he doesn't qualify for summer school? I always thought that is

what summer school was for - kids who didn't get it during the school year?

Does he have an IEP?

Roxanna

ò¿ò

It makes sense to go up the molehill

dressed for the mountain

Nan, the Wiser

[Guest guest]

Where do you live Connie? Maybe I need to move there. lolol

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

Re: ( ) My Aspie Failed 8th Grade

In a message dated 5/16/03 4:28:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kneeleee@...

writes:

> He failed and he doesn't qualify for summer school? I always thought that

> is

> what summer school was for - kids who didn't get it during the school year?

>

> Does he have an IEP?

>

In our school, they can't make up enough classes to NOT fail. THey can make

up any classes they failed, up to I think two. But two classes wouldn't stop

them from passing to the next grade.

Connie

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Missy,

Did he have failing grades all year or what?

My HFA son is in 8th; grades are OK but I'm waiting to find out about

those end-of-grade tests they just took. Won't know til after school

ends if he passed those or not. He always has but he's had a lot of

trouble lately with his OCD waxing, making it difficult for him to

read.

> From what I have been told this morning Zach(14) has failed 8th

grade. I have to get my thoughts together and find out what I can do

to not continue to " lose " him in the system.

>

> With school out I can take him for the intact interview for psych

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/16/2003 1:43:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

itchy10@... writes:

> Where do you live Connie? Maybe I need to move there. lolol

> MISSY

> SAHM to some special kids!!!

>

Missy you could move to CA but its expensive and well, I won't give you my

opinion of the general schools, but you could have your son in a program like

my dd. She meets with the teacher once a week to go over assignments and to

get the new ones....no grades, just pass or fail. Its working for her. I'm

just glad they offer it.

Johanna

[Guest guest]

> No he doesn't have an IEP. Summer school is only if you fail one or

2 classes--he has failed 4.

> MISSY

> SAHM to some special kids!!!

Missy,

Aye yi yi...what does it take to get an IEP in that school? Refresh

my memory - Have you tried to get one and been turned down? Does he

have a diagnosis of Asperger Syndrome? From where I'm sitting, it

appears to me that flunking 4 classes is a pretty good indication

that his disability is significantly affecting his ability to get a

free and appropriate public education. Other then making him redo

8th grade, what is the school suggesting?

Fill us in on the details and lets see if together we can't come up

with a plan of action to help your son and see that this doesn't

happen again.

Kathy

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In a message dated 5/16/2003 7:37:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

rwinters@... writes:

>

> Pam,

>

> Yet another example of the impact of the teacher. I'm glad you were

> able to switch teachers this late in the school year.

>

> Kathy

>

>

This teacher was actually violating my son's civil rights. She would take a

" vote " of all the other children in the classroom to prove whether my son did

something or not. The last time she did it there was actual proof in writing

(the kids votes on pieces of paper). This is a kid who already has social

difficulties and is in the midst of puberty. I am seriously thinking about

filing a complaint. This seriously impacted my son this year. He was

crying out for help and no one did anything until he blew. Pam

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In a message dated 5/16/2003 9:42:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ppanda65@... writes:

> This teacher was actually violating my son's civil rights. She would take a

>

> " vote " of all the other children in the classroom to prove whether my son

> did

> something or not. The last time she did it there was actual proof in

> writing

> (the kids votes on pieces of paper). This is a kid who already has social

> difficulties and is in the midst of puberty. I am seriously thinking

> about

> filing a complaint. This seriously impacted my son this year. He was

> crying out for help and no one did anything until he blew. Pam

>

> Oh Pam how horrible I can't believe teachers can be so callous. IT

sounds like my son's science teacher last year when he had the class write

about what my son did that annoyed them and then he read all their letters to

him UGH, he said later he was only trying to teach my son what he does that

annoys other kids, if only it were that easy, he would have learned a long

time ago. I still think most teachers do not do things out of meanness just

not understanding after all they see a very verbal child who they think is

just manipulative, what I say is lets give them the kids for a week and see

if their attitudes changed.

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> In a message dated 5/16/2003 1:04:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> itchy10@b... writes:

>

> > As far as not turning in his work I am perplexed about that. Is

it an age

> > thing? Until last year he always turned in his homework and did

all

> > projects.

> >

>

> I have to add that this was a major problem this year with my 6th

grader.

> Suddenly could care less about homework and whether or not he got

zeros on

> assignments. It definitely affected his grades. Plus he had a

very bad year

> with his teacher...so bad he was just recently switched after

having a rather

> explosive outburst...I had been warning the school for months and

they just

> kept trying to bandaid the problem. Pam

Pam,

Yet another example of the impact of the teacher. I'm glad you were

able to switch teachers this late in the school year.

Kathy

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Considering until this year he was honor roll. Flailing 4 classes is a major

red flag. What is even more disturbing is the fact I had to contact the teachers

to check on his progress. The didn't let me know he wasn't handing things in

until it was too late.

He does have a diagnosis of Asperger's but it hasn't been presented to the

school. Why, you may ask? Because it wasn't until I was researching SI for my

22mth old that I began to learn more about Asperger's. Realizing many of his

problems this year seem to point to Asperger's.

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

Re: ( ) My Aspie Failed 8th Grade

> No he doesn't have an IEP. Summer school is only if you fail one or

2 classes--he has failed 4.

> MISSY

> SAHM to some special kids!!!

Missy,

Aye yi yi...what does it take to get an IEP in that school? Refresh

my memory - Have you tried to get one and been turned down? Does he

have a diagnosis of Asperger Syndrome? From where I'm sitting, it

appears to me that flunking 4 classes is a pretty good indication

that his disability is significantly affecting his ability to get a

free and appropriate public education. Other then making him redo

8th grade, what is the school suggesting?

Fill us in on the details and lets see if together we can't come up

with a plan of action to help your son and see that this doesn't

happen again.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Thats awful!!

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

Re: ( ) My Aspie Failed 8th Grade

In a message dated 5/16/2003 9:42:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ppanda65@... writes:

> This teacher was actually violating my son's civil rights. She would take a

>

> " vote " of all the other children in the classroom to prove whether my son

> did

> something or not. The last time she did it there was actual proof in

> writing

> (the kids votes on pieces of paper). This is a kid who already has social

> difficulties and is in the midst of puberty. I am seriously thinking

> about

> filing a complaint. This seriously impacted my son this year. He was

> crying out for help and no one did anything until he blew. Pam

>

> Oh Pam how horrible I can't believe teachers can be so callous. IT

sounds like my son's science teacher last year when he had the class write

about what my son did that annoyed them and then he read all their letters to

him UGH, he said later he was only trying to teach my son what he does that

annoys other kids, if only it were that easy, he would have learned a long

time ago. I still think most teachers do not do things out of meanness just

not understanding after all they see a very verbal child who they think is

just manipulative, what I say is lets give them the kids for a week and see

if their attitudes changed.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/16/03 4:43:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

itchy10@... writes:

> Where do you live Connie? Maybe I need to move there. lolol

>

Ohio-- but I doubt it would help! LOL

Connie

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> Considering until this year he was honor roll. Flailing 4 classes

is a major red flag. What is even more disturbing is the fact I had

to contact the teachers to check on his progress. The didn't let me

know he wasn't handing things in until it was too late.

> He does have a diagnosis of Asperger's but it hasn't been presented

to the school. Why, you may ask? Because it wasn't until I was

researching SI for my 22mth old that I began to learn more about

Asperger's. Realizing many of his problems this year seem to point

to Asperger's.

> MISSY

Missy,

I never understand why some teachers fail to keep parents informed

about problems that are brewing with our children - whether they be

academic, behavioral or both. If a parent seems concerned about

their child's education, they should be kept informed. This is a

problem I've been having this year with my 11 year old's teachers.

No matter what I've said to them and suggested, they have just kept

on doing it their own way and ignoring me. Only one more month!!!!

I didn't figure out that my 14 year old had Asperger Syndrome until

last year. Even then, I didn't really get it for awhile. He still

seemed too mild to really have it. I just thought he sounded like he

had a lot of similar issues. So I can certainly relate to you not

knowing. Our smart, high functioning children can really fool us.

I also feel for you having too juggle so many balls at one time. If

I had all the children you have, and all the issues that you have to

deal with, I don't know if I'd still be standing right now.

Since Zach has now failed 8th grade, has a diagnosis of Asperger

Syndrome and has dysgraphia, I think that you have a pretty good case

for getting him an IEP now. Please keep us all posted on how things

go.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 5/16/2003 7:37:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> rwinters@b... writes:

>

> >

> > Pam,

> >

> > Yet another example of the impact of the teacher. I'm glad you

were

> > able to switch teachers this late in the school year.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

> >

>

> This teacher was actually violating my son's civil rights. She

would take a

> " vote " of all the other children in the classroom to prove whether

my son did

> something or not. The last time she did it there was actual proof

in writing

> (the kids votes on pieces of paper). This is a kid who already has

social

> difficulties and is in the midst of puberty. I am seriously

thinking about

> filing a complaint. This seriously impacted my son this year. He

was

> crying out for help and no one did anything until he blew. Pam

Pam,

Oh NOOOOOOOO!!!! There is now a knot in my stomach the size of a

basketball. What a HORRIBLE thing to do!!! For a teacher to single

out a child like that!!! I've seen and read in several places how

important the teacher is in how the Aspie child is treated. If the

teacher projects and message of acceptance then the kids usually will

be more accepting. But what this teacher did, not only humiliated

your son, but it made him even more of an outcast among his

classmates. AAARRRRGGHHHH.....

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I am only dealing with a preschooler but I guess I understand. I hope you

work things out.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/16/03 9:42:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ppanda65@...

writes:

> This teacher was actually violating my son's civil rights. She would take

> a

> " vote " of all the other children in the classroom to prove whether my son

> did

> something or not. The last time she did it there was actual proof in writing

>

> (the kids votes on pieces of paper). This is a kid who already has social

> difficulties and is in the midst of puberty. I am seriously thinking about

>

> filing a complaint. This seriously impacted my son this year. He was

> crying out for help and no one did anything until he blew. Pam

>

Wow, Pam. just when you think you've seen all the stupid you will ever see -

someone comes along with something new. Incredible! Who hires these people

to be teachers??

Roxanna ôô

What doesn't kill us

Makes us really mean.

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In a message dated 5/20/2003 11:14:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kneeleee@... writes:

> Wow, Pam. just when you think you've seen all the stupid you will ever see

> -

> someone comes along with something new. Incredible! Who hires these people

>

> to be teachers??

>

I don't know...and I really don't know why they keep doing things to my kids.

I think this is a good teacher, but she is very inflexible, by the boards

and doesn't make any accommodations, especially when she knows how bright

is (I don't think she believes there is a disability). He is doing well

in

the other classroom now. It has been 3 weeks and no behavior problems. Pam

[Guest guest]

She is not a good teacher if she is inflexible!

BTW here it is almost impossible to get them to " fail " your kid. They just

keep getting promoted, no matter how poorly they're doing. You would have to

make a major case to get them held back, even if you were sure they didn't

understand a thing they were learning.

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

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From: <ppanda65@...>

> I think this is a good teacher, but she is very inflexible, by the boards

> and doesn't make any accommodations,